Maybe a way to go in DA4 is to copy the technique used in Witcher 3, where we got to play as both Ciri and Geralt. They could make a dual protagonist game for the 4th game and I'm completely on board with that. Witcher 3 gave an idea of how this could be done.
This would be a good thing, maybe using the Inquisitor, the Hero of Ferelden and possibly Hawke?
This would be a good thing, maybe using the Inquisitor, the Hero of Ferelden and possibly Hawke?
If alive, Hawke could maybe be explained as being an envoy from Viscount Tethras (read: Varric figures we can use backup and Hawke is good at blowing stuff up), but why would the Hero of Fereldan be involved in goings on in Tevinter?
Also, I suppose *insert obligatory "they could be dead so they can't be companions/protags" and/or "their stories are complete already" arguments here* for Hawke and the Warden.
It spoke none too well of Udina's competences that he somehow thought that he could establish a Council completely composed of humans and think that not only would the other council races not object but that it would not make humanity's act of sacrificing the Council look questionable as hell in the light of it. There were little sense to that choice while there were sense to the choice in Trespasser.
Also to my memory, you could not become a Spectre in Mass Effect 2 unless a certain criteria was met.
Firstly, there is a great difference, multiple ones in fact, between an organization and a country even you consider both to be morally-ambigous or morally-bankrupt. If the developers are barred from having the player join an organization or working within a country then that closes off a lot of potential ways a story can play out for no decent reason, in my opinion.
Secondly, Solas is presented as the future antagonist and he has made it abundantly clear he is not a god so where are you seeing the old gods angle?
Thirdly, there is a world of differences betweeen a character being resurrected from the dead as a cyborg and a character gaining a prosthesis because they lost one of their hands.
Fourthly, where are you seeing a suicide mission into the Fade?
The point is no matter what you choose, you will get something similar like in ME 2, no one will care if you disbanded or no the Inquisition, just like in ME 2 no one cared if you killed or no the council, which was a BIG desicion at the end of ME no matter how hard you try to make it look stupid, it was in fact a BIG and important desicion that in the end didnt mattered AT ALL.
You could RETAIN your tittle as Specter not BECOME one in ME2, and the only way to do it was to save the council, you make it sound like there is a **** ton of things that you need to do for that to happen which is simply not true and its pointless because no one gives a **** if you retain that tittle or dont which is going to be the same with the Inquisitor tittle.
Tevinter and Cerberus are VERY similar in how they are seen as the "evil" or the "different" ones that no one likes, so of course if the Inquisitor goes to Tevinet no one is going to like that desicion thats the point of what i said, its similar, pretty similar to what happened in ME2.
Solas the main antagonist... maybe you forgot the part where he said that he didnt killed the old gods and that they were locked away in the veil, so when he does what he wants to do the old gods are going to come back.
Who knows... maybe you will be killed anyways and you will need a full reconstruction, maybe you will get some special magic treatment that will give you your hand back and your rift powers, the point is that is similar.
A suicide mission into the fade, well this is pretty obvious, no one has entered physically to the fade besides the Inquisitor and someof his followers... so lets say Solas needs to go to the fade again to do what hee needs to do, so to stop him you need to go into the fade too, you will need to open the rift again to enter the fade and take your team with you with little to no chances of comming back, what could also happen is that Solas makes some stupid mistake or he is defeated by the old gods when he does this and then you have to stop them before they come through the veil, point is this makes a LOT of sense to happen at some point.
If alive, Hawke could maybe be explained as being an envoy from Viscount Tethras (read:Varric figures we can use backup and Hawke is good at blowing stuff up), but why would the Hero of Fereldan be involved in goings on in Tevinter?
Because everyobdy wants to play again the Hero of ferelden and that woul make them money.
The point is no matter what you choose, you will get something similar like in ME 2, no one will care if you disbanded or no the Inquisition, just like in ME 2 no one cared if you killed or no the council, which was a BIG desicion at the end of ME no matter how hard you try to make it look stupid, it was in fact a BIG and important desicion that in the end didnt mattered AT ALL.
re: the bolded part above, that's actually not true. Some people who were amiable in ME2 if you saved the council were downright hostile if you let them die. Like that turian "adventure tour"/gun shop owner guy on the citadel, among others. Ultimately, did sacrificing the council prevent you from saving the galaxy? No. But it definitely colored the tone of the world if you paid attention. It was of course easier to notice if you played both choices and compared.
re: the bolded part above, that's actually not true. Some people who were amiable in ME2 if you saved the council were downright hostile if you let them die. Like that turian "adventure tour"/gun shop owner guy on the citadel, among others. Ultimately, did sacrificing the council prevent you from saving the galaxy? No. But it definitely colored the tone of the world if you paid attention. It was of course easier to notice if you played both choices and compared.
The point is that it wasnt relevant, besides those minor things no one cared.
DA2 has better gameplay than DA:I.
As horrible as that is...yeah, kinda.
Solas the main antagonist... maybe you forgot the part where he said that he didnt killed the old gods and that they were locked away in the veil, so when he does what he wants to do the old gods are going to come back.
It's important to differentiate here between the Evanuris and the Old Gods. The Evanuris are the elven god-kings who were locked away in the Fade when Solas created the Veil; the Old Gods are the former deities of the Tevinter Imperium who lead the darkspawn during Blights.
That's one big difference between Dragon Age and Mass Effect: in the latter, the Reapers were the main antagonists, whereas in the former, there are several groups of villains all jockeying for centre stage.
The point is no matter what you choose, you will get something similar like in ME 2, no one will care if you disbanded or no the Inquisition, just like in ME 2 no one cared if you killed or no the council, which was a BIG desicion at the end of ME no matter how hard you try to make it look stupid, it was in fact a BIG and important desicion that in the end didnt mattered AT ALL.
You could RETAIN your tittle as Specter not BECOME one in ME2, and the only way to do it was to save the council, you make it sound like there is a **** ton of things that you need to do for that to happen which is simply not true and its pointless because no one gives a **** if you retain that tittle or dont which is going to be the same with the Inquisitor tittle.
Firstly; I have not argued that the choice at the end of Mass Effect was not big or important; I've argued that I consider it to be a silly choice that made little sense in comparison to the choice at the end of Trespasser;
Trespasser had the logical outcome of two nations trying to deal with a powerful and supposedly neutral organization that held territory in both of their countries and had outlasted its purpose according to them. One ending to Mass Effect had an ambassador advocating a choice that he should have known would not work and would only lessen the galaxy view of humanity.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it if the Inquisitor is recognised as the Inquisitor should they appear in the fourth Dragon Age game as I consider to be make sense since, besides Herald of Andraste, that title was by which the world knew them. The world knew the Inquisitor as a title and herald, not as a person. It's even mentioned by Scout Harding in Jaws of Hakkon that the Inquisitor becomes less of a person to the world by each thing they do and the DLC seems to pose the thought that the Inquisitor will go the way of Inquisitor Ameridan in terms of history slowly forgetting who the Inquisitor is a person rather than who they were as a title.
Secondly; No, Shepard is reinstated as a Spectre by the Council meaning the latter gave it back to the former. Shepard was considered legally dead as indicated by how the spaceport security by C-Sec identifies them as deceased and not as missing in action. Here's the respective quotes from the Council meeting and from the C-Sec officer at the identification scanner;
"Shepard, if you keep a low profile and restrict your operations to the Terminus Systems, the Council is willing to offer you reinstatement as a Spectre."
"Sorry for the inconveience, sir, our scanners are picking up false readings. They seem to think you're... dead."
In regards to my using the word criteria about something being needed to become a Spectre that you took offense to; while criterion is singular and criteria is plural, criteria is commonly used regardless and is to my knowledge, considered by some definitions to include referring to a single rule. I tend to use it when I know there are something but when I am uncertain about the actual number of said something.
...I defended DA II at release.
It wasn't great it was solid.
Good man.
I've been on these forums WAY too long.
As horrible as that is...yeah, kinda.
To be fair there is other stuff that is better in Inquisition like crafting and the fact that you could actually equip your companions, the graphics and eviorements but fundamentally the gameplay AKA the most important thing like combat, tactics, skills, SIDE CONTENT... it was WAY more fun to me to play that game, i finished it twice in a row whereas DA:I finished it once and was done with it until just 2 days ago that i made another playthrough to see trespasser and it was boring as ****... DA2 was really bad compared to DA:O though... but i would neve thought they could go any worse than that.
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