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[German Soldier]

If a civil war is going on between wardens the HoF might be on the oppisition side to the first warden. HoFs accomplishments, popularity and possibly discovering a cure against the taint, makes him/her a threat to the powerstructure and the original wardens.

-First i didn't quite understood why the HoF would be at the opposition just because you like to play rebel?

 

-Second the warden isn't even existent for Bioware anymore they are simply gone

 

-Third there is a lot of assumptions is saying that the warden would be able to survive to see the possible(because is not even certain) wardens struggle.

[Nixou]

That probably wouldn't work out very well. The Warden is basically incompatible as a playable character against Corypheus, especially when you account for the false calling that's plaguing them all at the time.

 

Sure, but it's established that the HoF was Justinia's first choice, at least in worldstates where s/he survived the Blight.

Which is why the writers came up with the Quest for the Cure in the first place: they needed an excuse to keep the character away

 

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-First i didn't quite understood why the HoF would be at the opposition just because you like to play rebel?

 

-Second the warden isn't even existent for Bioware anymore they are simply gone

 

-Third there is a lot of assumptions is saying that the warden would be able to survive to see the possible(because is not even certain) wardens struggle.

 

 

 

First, it actually makes perfect sense for the HoF to end on Weisshaupt's opposite side regardless of their (and by extension the player) opinion, because no matter what choices are made in Origins and Awakening, they always got deeply involved in the Fereldan civil war, always were instrumental in Loghain's defeat, always ruled Amaranthine, always ended up slaughtering half of the Arling's nobility to secure their rule. In other words, even the most enthusiastic and loyal player-controlled Warden left behind a legacy completely opposed to the notion that Grey Warden must remain this neutral, insular, dedicated-to-stopping-the-Blights-and-nothing-else organization.

So it would only be logical that in an internecine conflict, Weisshaupt itself would end up regarding the HoF as a rebel, regardless of of his or her denials, just like Meredith would turn against even the most pro-Templar Hawke.

 

Second, The Warden is far from being non-existent for Bioware's writers: that's why s/he keeps being mentioned in every game that followed Awakening. The thing is, the writers

1. Do not want to bring back the character as a protagonist
2. Haven't yet figured out a satisfying (to them) way to bring the character back as a secondary actor.

Hence the improvised excuses to keep the character away from the limelight

 

Third, they won't kill surviving HoFs offscreen. Bringing back the Warden only for him to die during a cutscene would indeed infuriate the Warden's fan club, but only them... assuming the events leading to the plotline death make sense. Killing the HoF offscreen would not only infuriate the Warden's fan club but also ****** off anyone annoyed by lazy writing.

[dsl08002]

-First i didn't quite understood why the HoF would be at the opposition just because you like to play rebel?

-Second the warden isn't even existent for Bioware anymore they are simply gone

-Third there is a lot of assumptions is saying that the warden would be able to survive to see the possible(because is not even certain) wardens struggle.

If you cant understand that then...i really cant help you

[German Soldier]

If you cant understand that then...i really cant help you

I cannot because it doesn't make sense.

Not every warden is the same because not every player think like you do, some wardens like mine will never be at the opposition of the first warden thus make your pretence of playing rebel for every player flat..

[Secret Rare]

There is no reason for my warden to act against the first warden since the two of them respect each other and exchanged several letters.

[dsl08002]

I cannot because it doesn't make sense.
Not every warden is the same because not every player think like you do, some wardens like mine will never be at the opposition of the first warden thus make your pretence of playing rebel for every player flat..

I rest my case

[dsl08002]

There is no reason for my warden to act against the first warden since the two of them respect each other and exchanged several letters.

"E tu brute"

Ok i should elaborate, when facing a civil war, who do you know who to trust, and paranoia kicks in. Even when dealing with loyalist. That has always been the case in history.
Heads will role

[Dai Grepher]

Disagree is stupid not logical for my perspective.
With Avernus knowledge it is not necessary for me.

Your Hero might have ages of life ahead, as well as power derived from the taint, but the cure would still be useful. It could be used to save people who are tainted. It might even be something that can be weaponized against the Darkspawn, depending on what it is and how it works. It might even explain more about what the taint is and give more clues as to how it operates. And if all else fails, you can sell it for profit. You might also be able to dangle it over the heads of the Wardens and get them to do what you want in exchange for the cure. I'm sure there are many possible uses your Hero could find for it.

[Secret Rare]

"E tu brute"

 

Mon warden n'a aucun intérêt à opposer à la première  commande

 

 

 

 

 

First, it actually makes perfect sense for the HoF to end on Weisshaupt's opposite side regardless of their (and by extension the player) opinion, because no matter what choices are made in Origins and Awakening, they always got deeply involved in the Fereldan civil war, always were instrumental in Loghain's defeat, always ruled Amaranthine, always ended up slaughtering half of the Arling's nobility to secure their rule. In other words, even the most enthusiastic and loyal player-controlled Warden left behind a legacy completely opposed to the notion that Grey Warden must remain this neutral, insular, dedicated-to-stopping-the-Blights-and-nothing-else organization.

So it would only be logical that in an internecine conflict, Weisshaupt itself would end up regarding the HoF as a rebel, regardless of of his or her denials, just like Meredith would turn against even the most pro-Templar Hawke.

 

 

Being connected with political events due to the Ferelden regime whom obstructed wardens operations against the archdemon doesn't mean that the warden would be considered a rebel by the hierarchy of Weisshaupt.

The first warden in person sent some letters to the Warden and approved of their operations in Amaranthine.

There is no conflict between the Warden and Weisshaupt and only those who desire forced plot contrivance want to see the first warden as an enemy.

[Cute Nug]

Your Hero might have ages of life ahead, as well as power derived from the taint, but the cure would still be useful. It could be used to save people who are tainted. It might even be something that can be weaponized against the Darkspawn, depending on what it is and how it works. It might even explain more about what the taint is and give more clues as to how it operates. And if all else fails, you can sell it for profit. You might also be able to dangle it over the heads of the Wardens and get them to do what you want in exchange for the cure. I'm sure there are many possible uses your Hero could find for it.

 

Agree.

 

Still odd for some HoF's not to come back to fight a danger as great as the blight led by a proto-darkspawn and partly caused by Grey wardens. Even Hawke comes back to help although they seemed a wee bit bitter. Maybe the HoF wasn't a coward or taint cure greedy. Maybe they were just smarter than Hawke and let others deal with the thankless task of saving the world. It wasn't the worst excuse they could have come up with and they wrote it reasonably well.

[GoldenGail3]

Agree.

Still odd for some HoF's not to come back to fight a danger as great as the blight led by a proto-darkspawn and partly caused by Grey wardens. Even Hawke comes back to help although they seemed a wee bit bitter. Maybe the HoF wasn't a coward or taint cure greedy. Maybe they were just smarter than Hawke and let others deal with the thankless task of saving the world. It wasn't the worst excuse they could have come up with and they wrote it reasonably well.

Becuase they'd be taken over by Cory and all heck would break lost if the HOF was taken over by Cory.

[Cute Nug]

Becuase they'd be taken over by Cory and all heck would break lost if the HOF was taken over by Cory.

 

If they already killed one probable Second Sin proto-darkspawn magister they might assume they could kill another. Not saying they would be right.

 

Thedas doesn't seem concerned with the risk of Grey Spawn being controlled by proto-darkspawn magister. i think the HoF letter mentions staying away from Corybits.

 

I like to think they would come to help when the growing breach was threatening the world and only decided to not help when they heard Grey wardens were likely useless or a liability in fighting Corybits.

[GoldenGail3]

If they already killed one probable Second Sin proto-darkspawn magister they might assume they could kill another. Not saying they would be right.

Thedas doesn't seem concerned with the risk of Grey Spawn being controlled by proto-darkspawn magister. i think the HoF letter mentions staying away from Corybits.

I like to think they would come to help when the growing breach was threatening the world and only decided to not help when they heard Grey wardens were likely useless or a liability in fighting Corybits.

I don't think the Archy was aware of his abilities as a Darkspawn Magister...

[Dai Grepher]

Agree.
 
Still odd for some HoF's not to come back to fight a danger as great as the blight led by a proto-darkspawn and partly caused by Grey wardens. Even Hawke comes back to help although they seemed a wee bit bitter. Maybe the HoF wasn't a coward or taint cure greedy. Maybe they were just smarter than Hawke and let others deal with the thankless task of saving the world. It wasn't the worst excuse they could have come up with and they wrote it reasonably well.

Thanks. I think the reason why the Hero doesn't return at that point is because he is too deep in his mission to just turn back. He also may have been too far away by then. Hawke came back because Varric asked, and because of a sense of obligation to stop Corypheus. My Hero didn't even return for Ferelden's and Anora's sake. Which tells me that he was just too far away to turn back. He passed the point of no return a long time before that. He had to see the mission through to the end, no matter what trouble was brewing back home.

Logically, the cure was found, and the first stop while returning will be Weisshaupt, where Hawke still might be.

[CoM Solaufein]

My HoF would be apathetic.

[straykat]

Well, he's dead.

 

But that little detail aside, he's an Andrastian CE. I think they could have had an interesting place in a story like this. He'd probably have a good time, but I suppose Sera is doing his job already.

[Pavan]

To be honest my Warden - Male/Cousland/Berserker/Reaver ----------- Would probably be looking for a way to combat the calling as Bioware suggested - it sounds worthwile:

 

If he manages it, he gets to spend a long life with Morrigan and his Son. Not to mention his fellow Wardens and friends like King Alistair and Ohgren will get to live long lives aswell. It would also stop the Wardens ever being bluffed by the calling again.

 

He would have his broksi's Ohgren and Zevran with him as they slaughter darkspawn in the deep roads looking for answers. He would be keeping in touch with Alistair, (after all he is still a Warden even if he is King) Alistair could also send him soldiers to help if he needed.

Shale might even return to help out, she has some knowledge of the Deep Roads - although it might be as a dwarf because she  and Wynne went to find a way to change her back at the end of DAO.

 

Legion of the Dead would most likely also be helping the Warden with fighting the darkspawn.

 

Morrigan might leave Kieran somewhere safe e.g. with Alistair and Anora and then join the Warden after she has helped the Inquisition.

--- Warden will definitely need a powerful mage with a lot of forbbiden knowledge if he wants a chance of beating the calling.

[Shechinah]

I don't think the Archy was aware of his abilities as a Darkspawn Magister...

 

The Architect was not even aware that he was an ancient magister.
 

[Illegitimus]

My canon Warden (male Cousland Warrior) is dead.

However, if he was alive instead of being named Warden-Commander (an experimented Orlesian Warden was sent to Amaranthine either way) he would have left Ferelden for The Anderfels to resume the fight against the Darkspawn. Because there was no other life for him now.

* He would not seek a cure for The Calling. He had no problem facing a Grey Warden's death, like he did canonically.

 

 

There is actually a better reason to seek a cure.  Alistair's ability to father an heir is impaired by his warden-ness.  For that matter a Warden isn't even supposed to take a royal position.  Curing Alistair would both increase his life expectancy and his ability to secure the succession.  

[Dai Grepher]

Being a Warden doesn't prevent one from holding title. If it did, being Arl of Amaranthine would have been prohibited.

But you're right about Alistair's ability to sire an heir. If BioWare wants the Therin bloodline to continue at all, they will need the cure to be a real thing.

[Cute Nug]

Well, he's dead.

 

But that little detail aside, he's an Andrastian CE. I think they could have had an interesting place in a story like this. He'd probably have a good time, but I suppose Sera is doing his job already.

 

Bioware is totally missing out on the popularity of zombies in pop culture. Seems like zombie Hero of Ferelden should be a thing. They could easily blame it on time magic and everyone would be fine with it.

[Mikoto8472]

Ah interesting question.

 

While I accept that looking for a cure to the taint is canon, and honestly not the worst excuse in the world to keep the HoF out of the limelight its probably not what mine would be doing.

 

I think my Warden, a female elf mage, would have stayed in Amaranthine as Warden-Commander. That was her assigned duty and politically convenient for the Grey Wardens as an organisation since she's the Hero of Ferelden. Okay granted she would have heard the false calling but honestly she would have been smart enough not to fall for it. Surely something is hinkey when everyone is suddenly hearing it at once? My Warden likely would have started investigating what would have caused it and probably run into Stroud and Hawke in the process.

[Catilina]

King Aedan Cousland immediately travel to Skyhold with Zevran, because of the beautiful views and comfortable rooms. to ensure the safety of his people.

[Get Magna Carter]

There's a number of things which Kaira Tabris (my number 1 warden) might want to do

 

like spending time with Leiliana trying to persuade her away from the dark path

 

or go to Tevinter and try to free Elven slaves (and maybe start an Elven revolution if she could)

 

or follow Velanna around and pester her for Elven Lore

 

though I can quite imagine her looking for a cure for the Calling (for Alistair)

[Secret Rare]

Being a Warden doesn't prevent one from holding title. If it did, being Arl of Amaranthine would have been prohibited.

But you're right about Alistair's ability to sire an heir. If BioWare wants the Therin bloodline to continue at all, they will need the cure to be a real thing.

I don't think Bioware cares for the Theirin bloodline since they permitted the player to end it way back in DAO