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[Dorrieb]

Your measure of 'oppression' is... what exactly? It seemed to me that you were predominantly focused on little people getting hurt, which is what motivates Sera at least. That is not inherent to a feudal system.

 

Yes it is. What you mean is that it is not exclusive to a feudal system, but it is certainly inherent in one.

 

 

Simply because somebody holds power in a political system, it does not mean that s/he abuses it.

 

Yes it does. Holding power is in itself a form of abuse.

 

 

 You don't need to replace a system if the people putting it into practice are the problem.

 

They aren't. It's the political structure itself that is corrupt, not whoever happens to occupy it. I guess you missed the bit about the duck?

 

 

Also, what system would you replace it with? No system is immune to corruption.

 

Hence why I would replace it with 'no system', also known as Anarchy.

 

 

Um. Are you saying that authority itself is evil and hence, we should abolish all authority? If so, we can stop discussing right here because it'd be pointless. I for my part do not wish to live in a society 'governed' by the law of the jungle.

 

Yes I am, and no, it would not be the 'law of the jungle'. The basic premise of Anarchy is that people can and will self-organise harmoniously and peacefully to cooperate for the common good, with no need for leaders or authorities to force laws upon them and tell them what to do.

 

 

Ah come now. It's a lynching, plain and simple. I refuse to call a lynching a form of justice. TBH for all your talk of how power corrupts etc., I'm surprised you see no wrong in giving a random person in the street a rope to turn people into tree ornaments.

 

Is it better to leave that decision to a random person in a palace just because their parents happened to be the Marquis and Marchesse of Swankynose-fru-fru-on-the-Primrose-Hill? In the context of the setting, Sera has more moral authority, though not legal authority, a distinction you don't seem able to make. And she didn't turn him into a tree ornament with a rope, she kicked his head into a pasty mush. Very different!

[sunnydxmen]

Cause she a weirdo freak I always kick her out.

[Terodil]

Yes I am, and no, it would not be the 'law of the jungle'. The basic premise of Anarchy is that people can and will self-organise harmoniously and peacefully to cooperate for the common good, with no need for leaders or authorities to force laws upon them and tell them what to do.

I don't know how to respond to this. I might by printing this out and putting it into a picture frame because it's so heart-warmingly beautiful that it brings me to tears.

Next in the news: water flows upwards if we all hold hands and wish it hard enough.

[Dorrieb]

I don't know how to respond to this. I might by printing this out and putting it into a picture frame because it's so heart-warmingly beautiful that it brings me to tears.

Next in the news: water flows upwards if we all hold hands and wish it hard enough.

 

Cynicism ill-suits inexperience.

[stop_him]

Also, you can't run everyone out of the inquisition, or you'd have no companions for the final battle/Trespasser, right? Technically though, could a person only be left with Cassandra and Varric--if the Inquisitor never chooses to recruit or all the other companions leave?

 

Once recruited, Viv and IB don't leave.

Cole, Blackwall, Sera, Dorian can be forced out.

Solas leaves at the end regardless.

 

I'm just wondering because I'm running my assquisitor, T!ts Trevelyan next.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Technically though, could a person only be left with Cassandra and Varric--if the Inquisitor never chooses to recruit or all the other companions leave?

Yes you can. Just don't recruit any of the optional characters that can't leave and then do enough to make the ones who can leave leave. By the final fight you will just have Cassandra, Solas, and Varric and after the fight just Cassandra and Varric. 

[Adanu]

The dev's knew Sera's complexity and willfulness as a character might offend players.

Oh please. She's as complex as a wet fart. Just because you like her lack of respect doesn't make her complex by any means.

[Kurogane335]

Considering BioWare are all about diversity of character, they have a funny way of showing it in their games. "Don't like this one specific character that we created to fill a role? Don't like the fact that she is one of the only characters that does what she wants to do and not what you want to do? Well here you go. You can kick her out of your game at any opportunity."

If they are going to put that option in, put it in for everyone.

 

There is a difference between a character who does what he wants and a lunatic murderer who could turn on you because some of the low-rank soldiers of the Inquisition didn't get a promotion or were lambasted by you after a failure in a crucial mission. And Sera's "jokes" are always one step away from potential wounding peoples.

 

I've nothing against characters who are slightly insane, jester or very-close minded, but the three in one characters like Sera make her really difficult to appreciate, or even endure.

[ERINII]

I always thought it was weird too. I don't think the "devs knew she could offend people" argument is valid because I can think of another character that would apply in, MY DEAR.

This reminds me of another weird case; usually when you romance a character you'll be eventually locked into it, but with Dorian you always have the option to break up with him.

Why you so mean, Bioware

[Illyria]

I always thought it was weird too. I don't think the "devs knew she could offend people" argument is valid because I can think of another character that would apply in, MY DEAR.

This reminds me of another weird case; usually when you romance a character you'll be eventually locked into it, but with Dorian you always have the option to break up with him.

Why you so mean, Bioware

 

You have that option with Sera too.  And each of Solas' romance scenes gives the option to end it (his romance is different because there's no romance chats outside of the romance scenes).  I've not romanced anyone else so I don't know about them.

 

On topic:

 

I don't understand why Sera is the only optional companion who can be kicked out.  I understand why Varric, Cass and Solas can't leave since they're the core set of companions and plot connected.  But everyone else should get that opinion at any time.  I shouldn't need to wait until I hit crises point to kick someone out (in particular since the only companion my Lavellan wanted to kick was Viv (she's very pro-mage freedom and Viv is... not) and her crisis scene didn't give that option).
 

[Dragongirl24]

I find that strange to why she is the only one with that option to leave i wonder what the intention were from Bioware that only she had that option to leave the Inquisition. So why Bioware why only her ?

[Robert Cousland]

I named Sera's two daggers, Eat It, and, Lick it. XD

[Aliceeverafter]

i kicked her out. So satisfying. She told me to ****** up a rope [disgusted noise].

 

For me she was just so aggressive and i always ended up picking dialogue options which upset/annoyed her so i decided we weren't destined for great things together.

 

As to why she's the only one with the kick out option - i dunno, some bits of DA:I have a rushed feel to them. Several of the companions - Vivienne i'm looking at you - could have done with booting.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

If anyone of the group that should have the "boot" option it would be that beotch viv(I refuse to capitalize her name)

 

Every time I bring "it" along I've wanted to iradicate that disease from everything Dragon Age!

[FloraTheElf]

The only time Sera ever really bothered any of my Inkys (and they're all pretty patient with her) is the scene following a Solavellan breakup with the removal of the vallaslin. Either option you have to give her to explain it results in unpleasant statements.

[Xerrai]

I find that strange to why she is the only one with that option to leave i wonder what the intention were from Bioware that only she had that option to leave the Inquisition. So why Bioware why only her ?

Maybe it is because she's the only 'unlawful' companion you can recruit?

 

Dorian is a magister, Vivienne is a member of high court, Blackwall is an alleged Warden, etc.--all very professional titles. Even Solas has the unofficial title of "Fade Expert" (but he's one of the permanent companions, so I guess we shouldn't count him).

 

Kicking any of them out against their will might be considered harder than throwing out a hoodlum like Sera. Even if it is only harder because of reputation damage. Expelling them from Skyhold for misdemeanor (Sera) would be one thing, but kicking them out just because you don't personally like them would likely hurt the Inquisition's reputation.

 

But this is just a guess.

[thats1evildude]

The writers probably knew how controversial she would prove to be.

Yes this. Also, I had real difficulty initially understanding what the hell Sera was saying.

[Beerfish]

One of BioWares absolutely best characters in any of their games, probably makes my top 3 list of all time easily.

[Almostfaceman]

One of BioWares absolutely best characters in any of their games, probably makes my top 3 list of all time easily.

 

Yes Solas is definitely one of the best. 

 

[Obliviousmiss]

I feel like Sera is one of those characters who could be best friends with the Inquisitor, or a serious clash of personalities. She stayed when I needed her in my 4 playthroughs, even was my best friend in one. In my 5th playthrough I was a Double Dagger Rogue and being a Douchequisitor, I told her to leave. Such a fun yet peaceful playthrough. I wonder why I didn't try it earlier.

[Qun00]

I assume it's because they knew that her personality had the potential to really polarize some players.

Vivienne is far more polarizing and yet there is no kick button. You can't mention her name without prompting a long and heated debate.

But since the game doesn't allow us to ever win an argument with her, I'd expect her to mock the Inquisitor before leaving while the latter says nothing.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I don't know if its like that for everyone, but Sera always has that option, and she's the only one to have it. My iq treats her so well, so I don't think its because they don't get along.

Arrows.

[Just Here For Popcorns]

Last I checked Cole can leave yo ass too.

Also you can lose Iron Bull 

Spoiler

if you chose Qunari over Chargers he will betray you in Trespasser.

[Phoe77]

To me it does seem like Sera is the companion that fits with the Inquisition the least.  The only other one that rivals her is Cole, but he tends to stay out of the way and his mind altering abilities make him a non-issue.  Not only does she actively undermine one of the Inquisition's main sources of legitimacy and resources (the nobility), she makes no effort to exercise tact or even put her activities on hiatus.  Her presence, personality, and antics could easily be diplomatically disastrous to the Inquisition, especially when there is little reason for an outsider to view her as a crucial member.  

 

I won't weigh in on whether or not all the other optional characters should have had a similar choice available all the time because I would never use it even if they did.  I don't agree with Sera on much and I think that her actions are ineffectual at best when it comes to actually helping the lower classes, but I still never kick her out and I actually like some aspects of her character quite a bit.

[Cz-99]

All elves are scum and should be offered to the Eternal Pyre.

 

Except Zevran. He can stay.