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[Hokochu]

So I just finished my first playthrough and am confused about 2 out of the 3 of my squadmate deaths.
1. Jacob died when I sent him through the vent. Should have known he was bad at tech... oops
2. Zaeed died when I made him lead team 2 in the second part... don't have a clue why
3. Moridin was shown randomly dead when leaving...?

I did all the loyalty quests and got all but the extra fuel and plastic surgery upgrades so... I guess don't send Zaeed to lead the group? And take Moridin with you at the end or else he dies? Help!

[Keltoris]

Zaeed isn't a leader.

Mordin I'm not sure on.

[Hokochu]

Keltoris wrote...

Zaeed isn't a leader.
Mordin I'm not sure on.

I never got that impression on Zaeed. But then... you don't really get to talk to him much.

[PestilenceJones]

Hokochu wrote...

Keltoris wrote...

Zaeed isn't a leader.
Mordin I'm not sure on.

I never got that impression on Zaeed. But then... you don't really get to talk to him much.

I had Mordin die too for no good reason.
it made me go wtfbbq.

[Hokochu]

PestilenceJones wrote...

Hokochu wrote...

Keltoris wrote...

Zaeed isn't a leader.
Mordin I'm not sure on.

I never got that impression on Zaeed. But then... you don't really get to talk to him much.

I had Mordin die too for no good reason.
it made me go wtfbbq.

He was one of my favorite charactersand I don't even get to see him die!? Is there a mandatory armor or health upgrade or something?

[Moodath]

Garrus died in the vents for me.

Zaheed led the alternate party both times, died the 2nd.


And the ships crew was killed on the way back (I chose to not send someone with them.)


I'd like to discover what exactly determines success or failure, I had every upgrade I knew about, explored the whole galaxy and had all side quests completed.

[rumination888]

I believe Mordin died in the end because you had multiple people die earlier.
Less people dead = higher chance of survival.

[Tamyn]

Sending a non-specialist tech person through the vents kills them apparently. Is there anyone besides Tali that can do that without dying? I've only seen Tali, Jacob, and Thane do it and Tali was the only one who lived.

I've only seen Garrus leading the other team and he's always lived through that.

Modifié par Tamyn, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:38 .

[luet1991]

Send LEGION through the ducts. The harsh environment won't harm him AND he is the BEST tech person you got.

Always use Garrus to lead the secondary Squad, he has the best leadership skills from being in the Military, C-Sec, Working with you in ME1 AND from having his own faction in Omega.

When it comes to the biotic needed to pass through the swarms of bugs, use Jack and have a squad consisting of Samara and Zaeed.

THEN, at the final task, take Garrus and Miranda with you.



Since these are the right people for the billets required, they won't die. The less people that die, the more people you have watching the other squadmates backs, preventing them from dying by default.



This will keep everyone alive, but only if you have the loyalty of everyone, else some people might back out/(dis)obey orders.



Also, send Jacob back with the shipmates.

[pelhikano]

I had all the loyalties except for Zaeed, and I couldn't keep him from dieing trying twice. First time I sent him back with the teammate and he died defending them, though the others survived.



- sent Legion through ducts, he survived

- Jacob led the second squads every time and survived

- Samara did the swarm shield, team was the Mordin and Zaeed, all survived

- Sent Tali back with the teammates, all survived

- final team was again Mordin (who had randomly died when left back with the rear guard) and Zaeed, and Zaeed died when you fall after the boss dies.



Did anyone manage to keep Zaeed alive without having his loyalty?

[Giantmoth]

Don't think they will survive unless you have their loyalty.

[Sereaph502]

Jacob isn't a tech expert. He dies.



Zaeed isn't a good leader. He'll die the second time if you make him squad leader, and your tech will die regardless of their compatence/loyalty if he is made first squad leader.



Mordin is apparently a trouble character for a lot of people. Personally I've never had him randomly die, but a lot of people have. Send him out to escort the crew back to the ship to be safe.

[NoUserNameHere]

For on, Zaeed is a DLC character. I.E: He wasn't supposed to be in the game at first, and so was not exactly going to be essential for beating the game.



He can escort the crew back to the ship, though. If he's loyal.



Tali or Legion are your best bet for the pipeline mission. If you have a good leader for the second team then they will almost certainly survive.



Miranda, Jacob, and maybe Garrus are good leaders.



Samara and Jack are good biotics.



The two members you bring with you for the final run are rather tricky. I hear that it has something to do with loyalty and maybe even alternate costumes.

[MrGOH]

Legion is the best for the ducts - I mean, he can hack anything. His little profile blurb when you choose who to send pretty much tells you that he's the best choice for the job.

Miranda, if loyal, will keep everyone alive and stay alive herself as the secondary squad leader for both sections. Samara seemed a bit better than Jack at the biotic shield, but only because it seemed like she was able to walk faster than Jack was. I didn't try it with anyone else, and both Samara and Jack start straining at the same point. I sent Mordin back with the survivors once and Tali the second time; both survived the trip. The only squad member I saw die was Samara when I had her lead the second section's fireteam after sending Tali back to the Normandy. I reloaded and went with Miranda before the end boss, so I don't know if Mordin would have randomly died because Samara kicked the bucket.

I brought Grunt and Thane with me to teh final battle. It took me forever to beat the final boss (I think it had destroyed all but a single platform), and they both survived.

Needless to say, they were all loyal. I get the impression from other people's posts that not having everyone loyal, or losing certain people at certain times will trigger the random Mordin death. I think if you're really unprepared, other squaddies will also randomly die.

Modifié par MrGOH, 01 février 2010 - 07:46 .

[aimlessgun]

I believe Mordin just randomly dies for a lot of people if you don't send him back to the ship with Chakwas (which my character considered an unjustifiable risk even though I knew fully that it would work flawlessly, ugh). So I had to lose Mordin, which made me sad because he was my favorite, but I think the game was better for it.

[vigna]

All of my leaders made it. I had all ship upgrades and most misc upgrades shy of 6 or 7. The only 2 non-loyal people were Jack and Zaeed. I never picked Jack to lead anything, but she died with the team holding the door. Also upon arrival, which made me more upset, half of the crew had already died when I got there. What is the factor in Gabby, kelly, and the cook dying? Everyone else made it out fine.

[Comguard2]

@Hokochu

Which Characters were your choice for the final battle?

@vigna

 What is the factor in Gabby, kelly, and the cook dying? Everyone else made it out fine.

You've done something else after your crew was abducted. As soon as this happens you must follow them immediately if you want them to survive.

Modifié par Comguard2, 01 février 2010 - 07:52 .

[Lothial]

Hokochu wrote...

Keltoris wrote...

Zaeed isn't a leader.
Mordin I'm not sure on.

I never got that impression on Zaeed. But then... you don't really get to talk to him much.

Well his previous "team" the Blue Suns stabbed him in the back, and shot him in the face.. Didnt really inspire great faith in his leadership abilities to me lol.

[Daeion]

I sent Thane through the tubes and he died, figured he'd be good slinking around in ducts but apparently I was wrong. Had Miranda lead both teams and used Suze for the shield. Used Samara and Tali through the entire thing, sent the crew that survived (lost Kelly) back with Zaedd, Thane was the only one that died.

[MrGOH]

Elphabas_hat wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

Sending a non-specialist tech person through the vents kills them apparently. Is there anyone besides Tali that can do that without dying? I've only seen Tali, Jacob, and Thane do it and Tali was the only one who lived.

I've only seen Garrus leading the other team and he's always lived through that.

This is interesting because when I went through the final thing it didn't matter who I sent through the vents they always died, including Tali. I'm wondering if it has to do with how you build your tech squadmates, like choosing power over health boosts. That was the only squadmate I lost, and I'm really bummed about it.

I don't think it matters how you build them, though I suspect what upgrades you research has a lot to do with the survivability of who you send through the vents and whoever's in the secondary squad. I think Shep's level might play into it as well. But that's just a hunch.

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

I sent Tali through the ducts. Garrus was my Second Commander, I had Thane and Legion with me at all times and used Samara as my Biotic Field Barrier thingy. Fully upgraded on ships and people, not all weapons etc were upgraded though. And we all got out alive. Happily Ever After.

[gr00grams]

I have noticed that squad powers do affect all this;



Notice Mirandas team hp/dmg skill will state if upgraded to 4, with the team hp that 'No one is left behind'



Says it right in the skill discription.



How I did it;



Sent tali in the vents

Samara as biotic

Mordin escort crew

Miranda/Garrus for the finale



All upgrades, all everything, max paragon.

Main note, is never have mordin on the battle field at the end.



I tried a plethora of things, and everytime he has to stand with the door he will die. Fully upgraded his special tech thing, everything, he still dies.



Garrus is easily the best choice to lead the second team while you do the biotc thing, if you're really paying attention. Guerilla tactics = hit and run etc, says right in the descriptions.



Miriandas skill = Says no one left behind etc, she leads initial second team, bla blah

[Sardoni]

Did anyone manage to keep Zaeed alive without having his loyalty?

I did.  He was the only one I didn't have "Loyal" but I didn't assign him to do anything either.  I had no one die.

[CanadAvenger]

I got the "No One Left Behind" achievement, and here's how:

1. I sent LEGION through the ducts. He is the best tech expert that you have, and he is synthetic, therefore not likely to suffer badly from heat exposure.

2. I sent GARRUS as the second team leader (first time around) because he is the only other person on your squad who has actually led a team successfully. (Zaeed was another choice, but the person in the duct dies every time you use him) The reason for that is simple. At the doors when the second team leader yells "give some covering fire" everyone should pile up at the door and shoot. If you are using someone without leadership skills, your squadmates won;t react in time, resulting in a death.

3. I chose JACOB to escort the crew back (OK, now here is what happened to me... The only surviving crew I had was Doctor Chakwas. I watched as Kelly got ground up into paste... I DONT KNOW why this happened, but I think you need to do the Suicide Mission as soon as it's available to help your entire crew. I did not - I went to all the planets in all the systems to do side missions.)
I had no particular reason to choose Jacob, other than he served in the Alliance so he had combat training. (I orginally chose Grunt to be escort, and that works too)

4. SAMARA as biotic shield. My reason was this: I really dont like the attitude of Jack/Zero, and Samara IMO was stronger.

5. GARRUS again as the second team leader. Same reasons as before.

On my team I had Zaeed and Thane with me the whole time, even at the Reaper battle. However, on that first runthrough (I had Grunt escort the crew/ civilians) Mordin died randomly. Luckily I had a save before the second crew choice, so I sent Jacob as an escort, and took Mordin and Zaeed with me for the final battle.

I figured that I should leave as many talented people behind as possible to help protect eachother, and still leave me with one guy (Zaeed) that can pack a punch. I also thought that Mordin's incinerate would come in handy at the Reaper fight. (It does not.)

So, if you have ALL the ship upgrades, all the ALLY upgrades (Grunt's shotgun, Legion's sniper, Jack's amp) and you use the crew list above (or maybe a similar one, I haven't tried) AND you do the final mission fast enough, you should save your whole crew, and save your allies, and get the good ol *BLONK - ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED*

EDIT: Make sure ALL your allies are loyal to you. There are two points in the game where you can lose loyalty, and that is a fight between Miranda and Jack, and a quarrel between Tali and Legion. If you have a high enough Paragon/Renegade power you can remain neutral and not lose their loyalty. (The one between Legion and Tali is kinda cool IMO)

Modifié par CanadAvenger, 01 février 2010 - 08:15 .