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[sim-ran]

Anyone else wish this? I know it's really petty but the fact that she stays in command after selling all the mages into slavery and hangs around in Skyhold makes me more reluctant to side with the mages.

Which is a shame as Hushed Whispers is so atmospheric and really makes you feel the stakes you're playing for.

[Vit246]

Oh not this again.

[Terodil]

Yes. So much yes.

I feel a bit cheated by Clarel's death as well. At least we could have judged a box, not like we don't have precedent...

It's always the same thing, I'm all for mages and wardens but their respective leaders really fecked up, so I can either punish them all -- which would be unfair -- or let them all go scots free -- which essentially sends the signal that I don't care about them fecking up. Grmpf. At least we can leash mages/templars.

[CoM Solaufein]

I'd stick her in a, what do you call it, a gibbet?

[Baboontje]

Not too bothered. But I would've liked to send her on her merry way to help the Warden find the cure for the Calling as soon as we learn that's what they're doing. And since Fiona is not tainted anymore, she can go and tell the Warden everything she knows and help them however she can. And even if she really doesn't know how it happened, she can still help and make up for her folly.

[Vit246]

Also, Indentured. Servitude. There is a difference.

Also, time magic fvckery. The lazy kind. The writers couldn't come up with a real reason to do the things she does without warping the fabric of reality itself to make it work.

And even then, the time magic still isn't enough to explain it all. So Alexius manages to talk to her first instead of us and because of that etc. etc.?

[Barquiel]

The crime Fiona committed was against the monarch of Ferelden and Alistair/Anora already sentenced her for it, to exile. So no, it'd be redundant.

[IllustriousT]

You can always savor killing her in Champions of the Just, at least that option provides some self-satisfied justice.

 

To that extent, I really could care less where she is or what she is doing. Although, I wish someone would tell Alistair the truth, especially after he kicks her out of Ferelden (if he is King). For some reason, that seems like that should be a thing that needs to happen. 

 

His sister rejects him and then he rejects his mother - Ha, the irony. 

[vbibbi]

The crime Fiona committed was against the monarch of Ferelden and Alistair/Anora already sentenced her for it, to exile. So no, it'd be redundant.

Leaving her as the nominal leader of the mages is bad PR for the Inquisition, though. Especially if the mages are allies rather than conscripted. It's implicitly condoning her actions in Redcliffe. I think this should have decreased the goodwill the masses were willing to show the Inquisition.

[Face of Evil]

The only sentence I can hand down is Fiona in a Box Tour 9:40. Though I disagree with Fiona, I wouldn't do that to her. She did try to do the right thing, unlike Florianne.

 

 

Also, Indentured. Servitude. There is a difference.

 

And the Kirkwall Circle wasn't a prison, it was a "containment facility."

[MisterJB]

The crime Fiona committed was against the monarch of Ferelden and Alistair/Anora already sentenced her for it, to exile. So no, it'd be redundant.

 

How about crimes committed against the people of Thedas, namely starting a war?
 

[Terodil]

Although, I wish someone would tell Alistair the truth, especially after he kicks her out of Ferelden (if he is King). For some reason, that seems like that should be a thing that needs to happen.

Yes it does. But I feel so sorry for Alistair, he's genuinely one of my favourite characters in the entire DAverse. I fear it'd break his heart. I get the feeling it's barely holding together as-is. =(

It's kinda amazing he turned out the man he is, considering what Fiona is like >.>

[thesuperdarkone2]

How about crimes committed against the people of Thedas, namely starting a war?
 

Then that also applies to the templars

[Terodil]

Then that also applies to the templars

Yes and?

At least we can kill Lucius.

[The Baconer]

How about crimes committed against the people of Thedas, namely starting a war?

Pretty dumb and vague, given the Inquisition's position in Thedas. Though, I guess by that same coin the Inquisitor can make up a charge for anything they want.

[Shechinah]

Leaving her as the nominal leader of the mages is bad PR for the Inquisition, though. Especially if the mages are allies rather than conscripted. It's implicitly condoning her actions in Redcliffe. I think this should have decreased the goodwill the masses were willing to show the Inquisition.

 

I'd have liked an option to set a condition for the mages that said they had to elect a new representative if they wanted to be allies and not be conscripted especially since Fiona did not seem to see anything wrong with what she had done and nearly did do.
 

[Vit246]

And the Kirkwall Circle wasn't a prison, it was a "containment facility."

 

I am not talking about Kirkwall.

Legally, indentured servants are guaranteed to be released after a fixed term of years, given their freedom dues, and become freedmen.

[IllustriousT]

 

Legally, indentured servants are guaranteed to be released after a fixed term of years, given their freedom dues, and become freedmen.

 

"Guaranteed" is a bit of stretch since many wouldn't survive to see that time period concluded. 

[Shechinah]

Legally, indentured servants are guaranteed to be released after a fixed term of years, given their freedom dues, and become freedmen.

 

True but indentured servitude has, to my knowledge, always been ripe with abuse especially as the guarantee is not always enforced by courts and considering the country in question and the vulnerability of the mages in question, I consider abuse of the deal very likely if not always intended.

 

Inquisitor: "What does the Imperium gain from taking rebels mages under it's wing?"

Geron Alexius: "For the moment, the Southern mages are an considerable expense. After they are properly trained, they will join our legion."

Fiona: "You said not all my people would be military. There are children. Those not suited-"

Geron Alexius: "And one day I am sure they will all be productive citizens of the Imperium when their debts are paid."

[vbibbi]

I'd have liked an option to set a condition for the mages that said they had to elect a new representative if they wanted to be allies and not be conscripted especially since Fiona did not seem to see anything wrong with what she had done and nearly did do.

 
Yes, I really wanted this option. Especially since she is so unrepentant and arrogant in Skyhold. And actually serves no purpose there, she does nothing but stand around after IHW.
 
It's politics, which theoretically the Inquisitor (via advisors) should be adept at, regardless of their feelings on mages. I find it strange that we can judge the mayor of Crestwood for killing infected refugees in an effort to save his people ten years ago(a horrible decision but one based in trying to save as many healthy people as he could) but we can't judge the person who just usurped a fortress lent her in good will, kicked out its lord, allowed a foreign national and his militarized forces into said fortress (and while Fereldan and Tevinter are not at war, they are in no way allies or even on good terms), and allowed the Tranquil to be killed while under her care (it doesn't matter that she did not kill them herself or was even potentially not aware of their deaths when they occurred, she was still the nominal leader and protector of the Tranquil when they died).
 
Politically, any sane leader would demand/force such a public figure to step down from their position. It's the Bioware simplistic morality depiction that no bad consequences will happen from our actions because we trust in the power of friendship. Similar to how nothing bad actually happens if we don't exile the Grey Wardens, even though Corypheus should have used his influence to corrupt them again. Heck, he could have at least jumped to one of their bodies and spied on the Inquisition.
 

I am not talking about Kirkwall.
Legally, indentured servants are guaranteed to be released after a fixed term of years, given their freedom dues, and become freedmen.

Considering that Alexius was changing the terms of his agreement with Fiona as he went, why would we trust that the Fereldan mages would ever be granted freedom? It was completely within Alexius' interests to take them back to Tevinter and keep them as slaves forever. What could they have done to stop him? They'd be alone in a foreign nation surrounded by magisters who saw them as objects rather than people. Who would champion their cause? Not the Fereldan crown.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Oopsie...

 

[IllustriousT]

Oopsie...

 

 

Nice! Justice served!

[Medhia_Nox]

Honestly, Fiona pays for her crimes by having to live her life.  

 

That woman is a mess... correction, was a mess.  

 

I think it would be great if people who sided with the mages have to end up fighting Fiona in the next game because she sided with Solas. 

[MisterJB]

Then that also applies to the templars

 

The Templars didn't start a war, they reacted to Fiona's declaration in the only way they could. At most, you could prosecute Lambert for abandoning his post when he forsook his duty to the Chantry but he is dead.

And besides, one could argue that if his superior officer, the Divine, refuses to follow the law, then Lambert's duty was to disobey her.
 

[thats1evildude]

Well, High Seeker Lambert was killed by Cole, so he paid for his part in starting the war.