I am dismayed that the game did not give me the option to waterboard Fiona. Or any prisoner, for that matter.
And yes, the Inquisition would have listened to my orders. That's what being a leader is about.
Until trespasser which shows nobody cares about you when the threat is gone
Eh, that's not really true. I mean, they called a summit because Ferelden wanted the soldiers marching around their western bannorns to go away and Orlais wanted exclusive access to the Inquisition's forces, spies and diplomatic weight. Both cared very much about it.
I am dismayed that the game did not give me the option to waterboard Fiona. Or any prisoner, for that matter.
And yes, the Inquisition would have listened to my orders. That's what being a leader is about.
Why bother with waterboarding when you can make people tranquil or put them in a gibbet for throwing a goat at your castle?
Why bother with waterboarding when you can make people tranquil or put them in a gibbet for throwing a goat at your castle?
Also an option we should have had with Fiona, but did not get.
Also an option we should have had with Fiona, but did not get.
Well deserved according to what tribunal?
The Inquisition has been imbued with the authority to bring about peace and carry out judgement by consent of the Divine and other nations who differ to it
Did everyone suddenly forget arl wulff
A man you can have executed
What you are saying is gibberish nonsense.
"The people of Thedas" isn't a legal authority.
Neither is 'humanity', and yet we have crimes against humanity.
Neither is 'decency', and yet we have have affronts to common decency.
Neither is logic, and yet we have this post.
If you ally with them, you are forgiving her. If you conscript, you've already punished her. You'd just cause more problems by arbitrarily punishing her
You're no more forgiving her than the Templar decision is a judgement on the potentially dead Baris. Alliance versus conscription is how you approach the faction, not the individual.
Even the Templars get a judgement of one of their number, to make that distinction.
This makes me wonder, how many Templar supporters have actually played a pro Mage playthrough? I've made a pro Templar character but it seems some pro Templars haven't played a pro Mage character.
Who do you specifically think never has?
Neither is 'humanity', and yet we have crimes against humanity.
Neither is 'decency', and yet we have have affronts to common decency.
Neither is logic, and yet we have this post.
If fashion was a legal authority, most of southern Thedas would be dangling from gibbets.
Maybe because the devs don't have the hate boner some people have for Fiona
I kind of wish they did though. More options = more better, yes? It might have been interesting to see how that would play out if we could separate conscription or alliance from the decision to specifically punish her, perhaps to set an example. I guess it might be complicated if they bother trying to work in some mage consensus leadership whatchamahoozit, especially if they're allies rather than conscripts.
I'd love to have an option to side with Mages, but punish Fiona specifically. She's not that great of a leader. And her call to arms isn't particularly inspiring. "**** the Chantry!" Where did that get them? In the hands of a magister. The very slavery the Chantry stood against once.
Leaving her as the nominal leader of the mages is bad PR for the Inquisition, though. Especially if the mages are allies rather than conscripted. It's implicitly condoning her actions in Redcliffe. I think this should have decreased the goodwill the masses were willing to show the Inquisition.
That, and I feel booting her is suitable punishment for her letting the Venatori butcher every last tranquil for their easter egg hunt.
Gross negligence will not be tolerated on my watch.
I don't think that it makes much of a difference for the Inquisition's image if Fiona remains the head of the rebel mages, especially if you allied with them. From an outsider's perspective, they're pretty much all the same and guilty by association.
Honestly, Fiona pays for her crimes by having to live her life.
That woman is a mess... correction, was a mess.
I think it would be great if people who sided with the mages have to end up fighting Fiona in the next game because she sided with Solas.
Please no, we don't need her going up another rung on the Mary Sue ladder by putting her right beside an ancient elvhen god. I would prefer she not be part of the revolution/major conflict at all. God knows that she's already been involved in too many "special" positions on Thedas. Grey Wardens who are connected to the blight, her being the only "cured" grey warden, then she became Grand Enchanter....we don't need "Fen'Harel's General/Lieutenant/Valued Agent" getting added to the list.
No...If we are going to have her fall or grow, I think it would be best if it culminated in the form of a quest chain or something that emphasizes how her past decisions may come back to haunt her. Like being assaulted by a sect of mages who want her forcibly removed from her position, or maybe the taint comes back to her in some form or maybe the wardens get involved with her. Basically anything that has to do with her position(s)/past and really emphasize how even she has flaws. It might add a bit more depth to her.
She made a bad decision as she was forced into a situation with no winning option. I like her and have no ill will towards her. She is a calming, rational voice within the Southern Mage community, Leave her be.
I'm wondering now who goes the Templay route and DOESN'T conscript them. Conscripting them just seems like the most sensible thing to do at that point.
I mean really both sides have done such stupid things that there is good reason to conscript in both cases, but conscripting the mages feels like reschacking them, which goes against sympathies you have for their freedom fight and/or make you worry they will inevitably rebel against you.
The Templars on the other hand are a military org with their leadership destroyed. Restructuring them into your own military just seems obvious.
You hit the nail on the head. If it were up to me, I would conscript both Templars and Mages. However since I have to choose I went with Templar conscription for the reasons you stated as well as story related reasons.
She made a bad decision as she was forced into a situation with no winning option. I like her and have no ill will towards her. She is a calming, rational voice within the Southern Mage community, Leave her be.
Calming rational voice ? The woman decided to give the Chantry and the Templars a giant middle finger during a very tense moment and decided that she would rebel without any logical or sensible battle plan or battle logistics. The same woman who decided to ignore the Circle Reformation movement that was being supported by the pro-mage divine and instead chose to go to war. The very same woman who decided that mage rebelling and fighting without any sensible plan against an army of well trained mage hunters who are experts in battle tactics as a good idea.The very same woman who decided to annul the refugee status granted by a nation's monarch to indenture herself and her rebels as slaves to Tevinter, which is really ironic since she was once a slave herself.
No. The calming rational voice amongst the Southern Mages was Wynne and Bioware killed her off. Fiona is anything but calm and rational.
Calming rational voice ? The woman decided to give the Chantry and the Templars a giant middle finger during a very tense moment and decided that she would rebel without any logical or sensible battle plan or battle logistics. The same woman who decided to ignore the Circle Reformation movement that was being supported by the pro-mage divine and instead chose to go to war. The very same woman who decided that mage rebelling and fighting without any sensible plan against an army of well trained mage hunters who are experts in battle tactics as a good idea.The very same woman who decided to annul the refugee status granted by a nation's monarch to indenture herself and her rebels as slaves to Tevinter, which is really ironic since she was once a slave herself.
No. The calming rational voice amongst the Southern Mages was Wynne and Bioware killed her off. Fiona is anything but calm and rational.
Yes she did. And I admire that. She is a leader and made a heart wrenching decision after centuries of seeing her fellow Mages (as well as Elves) relegated to "indentured servants" at best and "slaves" at worse. They were pushed, pushed and pushed until finally there was no compromise any more. You are free or you are not. She (and A LOT of other mages and supporters) decided "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven". Did she make some mistakes? Of course. No one is perfect, esp in such drastic, over-heated circumstances. I stand by her decision.
We are talking about the same woman who once uttered the famous words, "F*** the Divine!".
She should of sold it on T-Shirts AFAIAC. One person's Saint is another's Devil. It's all from one's perspective. And hers (as well as most other mages) was from under the mucky boots of the Chantry.
Yes she did. And I admire that. She is a leader and made a heart wrenching decision after centuries of seeing her fellow Mages (as well as Elves) relegated to "indentured servants" at best and "slaves" at worse. They were pushed, pushed and pushed until finally there was no compromise any more. You are free or you are not. She (and A LOT of other mages and supporters) decided "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven". Did she make some mistakes? Of course. No one is perfect, esp in such drastic, over-heated circumstances. I stand by her decision.
Given your username, of course you would stand by her. The problem with Fiona was what comes after the decision to rebel, most especially allying with Tevinter. Letting an outside force kicking out an arl from his own castle without doing anything is not what you call a good decision.
We are talking about the same woman who once uttered the famous words, "F*** the Divine!".
Ah that's it. Somehow I thought she said said **** the Chantry.
Still though, Justinia was openminded. Only topped by Leliana.
I'd understand if.. say.. Meredith was Divine.
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