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[SogaBan]

Just thinking out loud here.

 

In Dragon Age Inquisition Winter Palace (and in other places too) we got to see krogan heads (click here and here) mounted on the walls.

 

Considering the fact that Dragon Age comes much later than Mass Effect in the cosmic timeline (just figuratively speaking) can we say that Reaper actually eradicated the current cycle (the cycle where Shepard lives and does stuffs) like they have been doing countless times.

 

Dragon Age archaeologists just found the remnants of the races long annihilated and had no idea what is what, assuming none has retrieved the Liara's beacon yet.

 

If we are playing DA - then can we assume that Mass Effect Trilogy actually had a grim ending as a canon? Or am I missing something here?

 

Please guide.

 

(there is a same thread on DA: Inquisition forum by me. Not for trolling - just here to gather some valuable inputs. Apologies if I have broken any forum rules)

[fraggle]

It's just an easter egg the devs put in the game. Just like there's an Ogre statue in one of ME2's missions

[SogaBan]

It's just an easter egg the devs put in the game. Just like there's an Ogre statue in one of ME2's missions

Appreciate the inputs - Easter eggs or no.

 

But if I want to tread on a serious note - is that a viable possibility that the cycle actually ended with extinction level events?

[JPVNG]

Only if the option of Synthesis or indoctrination was chosen lol 

[CHRrOME]

Nothing is canon according to BW.

[Obliviousmiss]

Nothing is canon according to BW.

 

Nothing is true.

Everything is permitted. 

[Mistic]

But if I want to tread on a serious note - is that a viable possibility that the cycle actually ended with extinction level events?

 

If you really want to find a serious explanation for those Easter Eggs, you have to keep in mind that DA has something ME doesn't: magic.

 

Thanks to events in Inquisition, we know that at least ancient elves were able to create crossroads in different dimensions. Magic makes that possible. Rather than DA being the far future of the ME setting (which is contradicted by the ogre statue in ME2), it would be easier to imagine a spell gone awry. Maybe a mage tried to fend off an ogre and instead managed to send the ogre to ME and bring a krogan to DA (conservation of mass).

 

"A wizard did it" may be a too convenient explanation, but in the case of DA it's possible. No Reapers required.

[Catastrophy]

Cannon is always good. I like the big guns. I've once played a game where they were modeled more realistic, so you needed a loader and a gunner. With ramrod and all that. Smoke, too, which impaired the view. We rarely hit anything unless they came in formation, which happened in events but not in the normal open matches.

[Chardonney]

It's just an easter egg the devs put in the game. Just like there's an Ogre statue in one of ME2's missions

 

This.

 

Nothing is canon. Also, DA and ME are two different universes. But everyone - of course - are free to imagine anything they want in their own minds.

[KaiAdamori]

This being said, it does make me wonder if ME:A will be set in a universe where the shep didn't defeat the reapers? @chrome Is that actually true? I'll be honest I would hope that BW would have the sense and the courage to definatively state a canon ending. So many people talk about destroy being canon but I've never read such from any verifiable source and just assumed thats what the majority of players "wanted" to be the case, since it's the only one that implies shep might survive.

[fraggle]

This being said, it does make me wonder if ME:A will be set in a universe where the shep didn't defeat the reapers? @chrome Is that actually true? I'll be honest I would hope that BW would have the sense and the courage to definatively state a canon ending. So many people talk about destroy being canon but I've never read such from any verifiable source and just assumed thats what the majority of players "wanted" to be the case, since it's the only one that implies shep might survive.

 

We're going to a new galaxy, and yes, depending on when folks go there with which means whatsoever, the war with the Reapers might not yet be over, if those people leave during this time.

 

And I never ever hope there's a canon ending from Bioware. Fans make the ending they like most their canon, but that's because they chose to do so, not Bioware. You can't take away that kind of choice from your fans, and I doubt they'd do that. One of the reasons we go to a different galaxy is that the devs don't have to address the various outcomes of the Crucible. They likely don't want MEA to be connected to the Trilogy on a large scale.

[KaiAdamori]

We're going to a new galaxy, and yes, depending on when folks go there with which means whatsoever, the war with the Reapers might not yet be over, if those people leave during this time.

 

And I never ever hope there's a canon ending from Bioware. Fans make the ending they like most their canon, but that's because they chose to do so, not Bioware. You can't take away that kind of choice from your fans, and I doubt they'd do that. One of the reasons we go to a different galaxy is that the devs don't have to address the various outcomes of the Crucible. They likely don't want MEA to be connected to the Trilogy on a large scale.

 

I get what your saying, i really do, but it's exactly because bioware are afraid of declaring a canon ending that they can't go back to the MW. Don't get me wrong, i'm quite happy to go on to a new galaxy and leave the trilogy behind. I prefer it that way. But in years past a developer could create a title with multiple endings (true, unique and divergent multiple endings) then make a damn good sequel, that was consistant with atleast one ending that was canon. Nowadays, a sequel has to perfom this weird white wash, a vague, yeah, some stuff happened, we can't really get into it, situation. I don't see how that is prefereable to a clear and concise course of events for in world continuity. Eventually it just becomes a mess!

 

I can get it if its a a sequel in an intended trilogy, the story is still going, but since we are in a fresh start, new galaxy setting. Wheres the harm of pulling your trousers up and saying, okay people this is the canon ending. It's not like they would be robbing you of your experience. You've still had that.

[Chardonney]

I can get it if its a a sequel in an intended trilogy, the story is still going, but since we are in a fresh start, new galaxy setting. Wheres the harm of pulling your trousers up and saying, okay people this is the canon ending. It's not like they would be robbing you of your experience. You've still had that.

 

No, just no. They already robbed from countless of players a a good ending, an ending which our choices would have molded. Instead we got that artistic abomination forced upon us and the only thing saving the rest of the game was MEHEM. Before the mod I always chosed destroy and I utterly despise both control and synthesis. Now, if either of those was ever made canon, it would ruin everything; just knowing that the new game you're playing is based on either of those... I would not play such a game. Perhaps some players would but in me BioWare would definitely loose a fan and a paying customer.

[UpUpAway]

... or perhaps the Krogan overpopulated again and then nuked themselves.  There are many ways in which the Krogan could become extinct, so I think all possible ME Trilogy endings could still be in play.

 

Also, if the Reapers completed their harvest, it would be unlikely that Krogan skulls would be found since the Reapers process their harvested victims into Reaper form... however, it would not be impossible that a few skulls could be missed and not processed by the Reapers either.

 

Basically, it's all just speculation unless Bioware comes out and officially says something on the matter.

[fraggle]

I can get it if its a a sequel in an intended trilogy, the story is still going, but since we are in a fresh start, new galaxy setting. Wheres the harm of pulling your trousers up and saying, okay people this is the canon ending. It's not like they would be robbing you of your experience. You've still had that.

 

Because then people would even be more pissed I guess. You can't promise them a bunch of different endings for ME3, then not deliver as many as were promised, then go back and change it after years of defending their endings to have 1 canon ending.

Besides, I think Casey Hudson was well aware what their trilogy endings meant for possible sequels and they stood for their decision in all these years. Maybe they didn't know there could or would be a sequel, and Shepard's story was finished anyway. Or they were fed up with staying in the Milky Way so they decided to go out with a bang and leave it behind. Maybe they desired something new and fresh, that can happen (David Gaider left the Dragon Age franchise because of that, before he left BW entirely).

 

Anyway, you say you're happy with going to a new galaxy and leaving the trilogy behind, so I'm not sure why you would necessarily want a canonised ending. I'd say, it is what it is, we cannot change it, and I think it's a good thing we move on and everyone can have their personal canon ending Shepard will not be forgotten, but I for one am excited for new things and new characters.

[KaiAdamori]

No, just no. They already robbed from countless of players a a good ending, an ending which our choices would have molded. Instead we got that artistic abomination forced upon us and the only thing saving the rest of the game was MEHEM. Before the mod I always chosed destroy and I utterly despise both control and synthesis. Now, if either of those was ever made canon, it would ruin everything; just knowing that the new game you're playing is based on either of those... I would not play such a game. Perhaps some players would but in me BioWare would definitely loose a fan and a paying customer.

 

See, I just don't get this? At the time of release I was bummed as anyone about the first endings. I hadn't heard about how many there were supposed to be or what people expected so I didn't have that fuel for the fire. Once they did the enhanced endings I was content, I just wanted some detail beyond the colour change FMV. Personally the destroy ending was my least favourite (next to do nothing) Synthesis, for paragon, control for renegade. Were my choices. Personally the MEHEM was just not my cup of tea. For all kinds of reasons I shant go into as somebody made that thing independantly for free for the community and as such, I don't feel right critisizing it.

 

But, despite, pretty much hating the destroy ending, I'd rather BW pick that one as its canon than non at all. Stories need to have clear endings. Maybe it's just me having a bug up my jacksie, but thats the way I look at it. I lose nothing from this scenario. I still got to make the choices I made.

 

Because then people would even be more pissed I guess. You can't promise them a bunch of different endings for ME3, then not deliver as many as were promised, then go back and change it after years of defending their endings to have 1 canon ending.

Besides, I think Casey Hudson was well aware what their trilogy endings meant for possible sequels and they stood for their decision in all these years. Maybe they didn't know there could or would be a sequel, and Shepard's story was finished anyway. Or they were fed up with staying in the Milky Way so they decided to go out with a bang and leave it behind. Maybe they desired something new and fresh, that can happen (David Gaider left the Dragon Age franchise because of that, before he left BW entirely).

 

Anyway, you say you're happy with going to a new galaxy and leaving the trilogy behind, so I'm not sure why you would necessarily want a canonised ending. I'd say, it is what it is, we cannot change it, and I think it's a good thing we move on and everyone can have their personal canon ending Shepard will not be forgotten, but I for one am excited for new things and new characters.

 

As I said above, I just like stories to stick to the Beginning-middle-end structure.

[Silvos]

Considering the fact that Dragon Age comes much later than Mass Effect in the cosmic timeline

That's not a fact. You just made that up. There is no timeline between the two franchises because they're only linked by easter eggs. One can't come before the other since there's a Darkspawn ogre in Mass Effect and a Krogan head in Dragon Age. They're just fun winks to players of both franchises.

[BatarianBob]

Dragon Age has magic. Mass Effect has technology sufficiently advanced to be indistinguishable from magic. Either one could create a bridge between the two universes, leading to a crossover that ends with at least one Alliance scientist on Eden Prime converting to Andrastianism, an artist seeing an Ogre and later making a statue of it, and a krogan winding up in Orlais where he loses his head and gets it mounted on a wall.

[AlanC9]

No, just no. They already robbed from countless of players a a good ending, an ending which our choices would have molded. Instead we got that artistic abomination forced upon us and the only thing saving the rest of the game was MEHEM. Before the mod I always chosed destroy and I utterly despise both control and synthesis. Now, if either of those was ever made canon, it would ruin everything; just knowing that the new game you're playing is based on either of those... I would not play such a game. Perhaps some players would but in me BioWare would definitely loose a fan and a paying customer.

So is the problem that we couldn't mold the ending, or that we could mold it and other players were allowed to mold it in ways you hated?

I'm also not sure why you're worried about Control or Synthesis being made canon. I though Destroy was supposed to be the only decent ending. Wouldn't that be the one to canonize? Or do you secretly fear that Destroy wasn't really all that popular?

[MrFob]

...managed to send the ogre to ME and bring a krogan to DA (conservation of mass).

 

Grunt likes this human. He understands!

 

[Chardonney]

So is the problem that we couldn't mold the ending, or that we could mold it and other players were allowed to mold it in ways you hated?

I'm also not sure why you're worried about Control or Synthesis being made canon. I though Destroy was supposed to be the only decent ending. Wouldn't that be the one to canonize? Or do you secretly fear that Destroy wasn't really all that popular?

 

Basically that all we got was the blue-green-red + starbrat. It all led to blue-green-red. That was not the ending I had hoped for this amazing trilogy. I expected something better and more complex. I also expected all the other races come into play in the end, for our choices - who we got on our side - to matter. Also the stupid breath scene in the end... after all the years and played hours... it wasn't enough, not by along shot. This is how I personally feel. All those happy with what they got are free to be so. 

 

No, I'm definitely not worried about control or synthesis ever being made canon, not in the least, because I know they won't be. None of the endings hardly will ever be, even though Destroy would be the best choice. All I meant is that I would never play a game where either blue or green were canon, not that it would actually be reality someday. I'm quite happy that MEA starts off from a clean slate.  

[DarthSliver]

Basically that all we got was the blue-green-red + starbrat. It all led to blue-green-red. That was not the ending I had hoped for this amazing trilogy. I expected something better and more complex. I also expected all the other races come into play in the end, for our choices - who we got on our side - to matter. Also the stupid breath scene in the end... after all the years and played hours... it wasn't enough, not by along shot. This is how I personally feel. All those happy with what they got are free to be so. 

 

No, I'm definitely not worried about control or synthesis ever being made canon, not in the least, because I know they won't be. None of the endings hardly will ever be, even though Destroy would be the best choice. All I meant is that I would never play a game where either blue or green were canon, not that it would actually be reality someday. I'm quite happy that MEA starts off from a clean slate.  

 

I do feel the same way you do, after the ME3 endings I felt like I had to force myself to replay the game. Even after playing ME1 I had a hard time getting through the trilogy playthrough because of the ME3 endings. I don't care what people say, those endings really dampered the Trilogy playthrough that was suppose to mean something. With a poster before I do believe a canon ending is what Bioware should do and I think it should be played out as female shepard default look for ME3 was done. A fair election for the canon ending, but personally with us going to Andromeda would love to see refuse ending become the canon ending. Refuse has a good meaning for why we are in Andromeda anyways and it has to take place before he endings so we can't witness them.  

[Sartoz]

Appreciate the inputs - Easter eggs or no.

 

But if I want to tread on a serious note - is that a viable possibility that the cycle actually ended with extinction level events?

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Since the trilogy ended as it did, it's up to individual players' imagination to come up with potential outcomes, based on their final choice. A canon ending requires three of the four (choices) to be eradicated. If my ending was erased, my choices become meaningless and Bio's "... your choice matters..." becomes a lie.

 

Just let Shep rest in peace and move on to the new story.  Here is hoping Bio won't F__K it up again.

[Dalinne]

There is a video theory from a youtuber about the conexion between this two franchises. The theory is pretty awesome  .

 

https://www.youtube....E&nohtml5=False

[ZipZap2000]

There's a chick in ME1 on Eden Prime who says "Thank the maker you arrived."  Its just how they roll, thinking too hard about these things could be unhealthy. Not that, that's unusual around here.