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[Hanako Ikezawa]

This mom.

Spoiler

You made my day, 9Tails. 

 

I want some of them to be attracted to other companions of NPCs

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Isabella: hypersexualized, nasty, and promiscuous (If she is a black woman)= Jezebel stereotype.

[Steelcan]

Isabella: hypersexualized, nasty, and promiscuous (If she is a black woman)= Jezebel stereotype.

you are just a broken record aren't ya

[Master Warder Z_]

you are just a broken record aren't ya

 

Isn't everyone on BSN?

 

Beyond that isn't everyone in general?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

you are just a broken record aren't ya

To be honest, I'm surprised they haven't shown up sooner. 

[Witch Cocktor]

 

 

[SnakeCode]

Oh goody the resident race baiting troll is here

[Battlebloodmage]

How is it a negative stereotype? There are plenty of effeminate gay guys IRL, and it isn't a good or a bad thing, it just is. Like DaveLiam said, there has been one flamboyant gay character and one thats more "masculine". That's a 50/50 split and isn't indicative of any pattern.

 

Also trope subversion is a trope in and of itself.

Just like there are nerdy Asians or foreign Asians out there, that doesn't mean these negative stereotypes are good. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

*snip*

Jokes on you. Nothing happens so I win. 

[Addictress]

And I want my Dragon Age experience with marvelous characters that were written from head to toe, from their hairstyle to their sexuality. Every part of their identity carefully built and integrated to their story and personality. I don't want gray blops whose sexuality I can define, I want colorful shapes, with defined sexualities, personalities. All different, all unique, all well written. I want them to feel real and I want them to be sexual (or non-sexual), free to explore their sexuality and talk about how they like big breasts or the rough surface of a man's face and his touch on your body. I want some of them to be attracted to other companions of NPCs, I want some of them to have meaningful relationships in the past, and I want some of them to be extremely flirty.

 

All that in addition to exploring and hearing more of Thedas.

 

You speak of sexuality as if it was a disease, and that annoys me.

I don't speak of sexuality as a disease. I went to an extremely progressive UC campus and the majority of my courses were on sexual identity. I loved reading Bell Hooks, and involving myself in the LGBT community there. You are simply projecting this particular agenda on me because I'm saying something slightly different than what you want.

[SnakeCode]

Just like there are nerdy Asians or foreign Asians out there, that doesn't mean these negative stereotypes are good. 

 

Doesn't make them bad either. You saying they are "negative stereotypes" doesn't make them so.

[Cee]

Yeah, but I'm not interested in "headcanoning".  I want clearly defined gay and bisexual men.  Who aren't "sometimes gay if you want it but also sometimes straight if you want that" or "kind of sort of gay if you squint" or "gay in the fan fics, but kind of ambiguous in the source material".  And I want them to be more than just the sassy gay sidekick who doesn't get a romantic plot of his own.  It's part of the reason why people still embrace the stereotypes as defining.  Because the idea of a gay guy who is sexual is still "icky" to too many people.

 

I've run out of likes, but this, right here. Though my perspective is that of a bi woman so add in similar for women, as well as having a more butch LI for women because that is something that appeals to a lot of Sapphic women in general, but not usually straight men, so it's hardly ever done. (Even Cassandra had her whining detractors, as we are all familiar with.).  Or characters are straight to allegedly avoid stereotypes. (Good piece on this stuff here, BTW.) 

[Witch Cocktor]

I don't speak of sexuality as a disease. I went to an extremely progressive UC campus and the majority of my courses were on sexual identity. I loved reading Bell Hooks, and involving myself in the LGBT community there. You are simply projecting this particular agenda on me because I'm saying something slightly different than what you want.

 

I didn't mean sexuality as in '' hetero, bi, homosexuality ''

I meant sexuality as in being sexually active, wanting sex, finding people sexually attractive.

 

This sex negativity is lame.

[Battlebloodmage]

Doesn't make them bad either. You saying they are "negative stereotypes" doesn't make them so.

It goes both ways, it it doesn't make them good, especially with how many of these stereotypes are already presented in the media. 

[Addictress]

I didn't mean sexuality as in '' hetero, bi, homosexuality ''

I meant sexuality is in being sexually active, wanting sex, finding people sexually attractive.

 

This sex negativity is lame.

Okay, but the same could be said of you and speaking negatively of people who don't feel comfortable with sexuality, like me. Asexual people have a voice too y'know

 

 

(I'm not really asexual. I mean this is TMI but I would do Solas ASAP as I said before) like I'm going to get a textbook on CGI facial animation algorithms just so I can render this Solas sex scene myself in 3DsMax goddammit

 

Honestly, I don't even need playersexuality. I don't mind defined sexualities. I just think playersexuality works, that's all. Like there's nothing bad about it. Both work.

[Akrabra]

Just like there are nerdy Asians or foreign Asians out there, that doesn't mean these negative stereotypes are good. 

Don't you feel like you are putting to much emphasis on what you think is a trope/stereotype? When we should instead analyze if the characters and story is good or not. I would never write off something because others are calling it out as a stereotype. 

[SnakeCode]

It goes both ways, it it doesn't make them good, especially with how many of these stereotypes are already presented in the media. 

 

That's exactly what I said. It's neither a good or a bad thing, it just is.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

you are just a broken record aren't ya

Shaft! You damn right.

[Battlebloodmage]

That's exactly what I said. It's neither a good or a bad thing, it just is.

I see it as bad, differing in opinions and all that. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Don't you feel like you are putting to much emphasis on what you think is a trope/stereotype? When we should instead analyze if the characters and story is good or not. I would never write off something because others are calling it out as a stereotype. 

And I've already stated why I find Dorian to be bad since he has no storyline, just a carbon copy of something happened hundreds of times on TV already. 

[Colonelkillabee]

It goes both ways, it it doesn't make them good, especially with how many of these stereotypes are already presented in the media.

Ironically I thought it did because Dorians personality was fun to me :/

[Sylvianus]

If you cut out all references to sexuality, then couldn't you just headcannon the bisexuality just as you would headcannon homosexuality or hetersexuality?

 

That's what I thought. Your solution isn't one.  You just want to compromise the writting, you just want to priviligiate power fantasy, to its detriment if needed. That sounds gross, boring and useless, incredibly forced. Some care more about the writting than power fantasy and are actually interested of having companions that sounds as alive as possible. This is pretty much why Bioware is praised I think ? Your radical solution cuts out uselessly a lot of potential interesting past good stories from the companions, funny comments, interesting  events, party banters, like you said any sexual references and any sexual identity in the characterization of the character, just because " headcanon ". 

 

A character like Vivienne might not be romanced, couldn't not exist because she had been the mistress of someone else, and she took advantage of her relationship for years. What a shame. A part of her past and power resolves around her relationship with Bastien. You couldn't just remove that little story, its a part of her and a part of her experience. An interesting and potential romance removed because headcanon. We couldn't have any character who has a sexual past. Goodbye Cassandra. Goodbye Dorian. We couldn't have a character, claiming that he had a thing for someone once. Goodbye Cullen. Your solution removes uselessly a lot of possibilities.

 

The author thinking about writting something ! " Ah yes, I can't, because otherwise it will break the headcanon of someone. I'm forced to remove that little story. "

 

Don't you see how the area becomes incredibly narrower, for the writer with less freedom and creativity allowed because of ridiculous restrictions like your solution ?  The potential of the writting might clearly suffer. And i'm certain it's one of the reasons why the writers might prefer the set sexualities like Gaider. It allows much more possibilies and freedom to write. 

 

Do you realize how the focus is so much on the player in your thinking, when we are talking about writting which should be as independent as possible from the player's mindset ? Which funnily enough is pretty much why we care so much about what our companions think ? That's what is so GROSS. In a game like Skyrim, it didn't bother me, because the characters are already CHEAP in this game. I don't care about any of them. They feel like drones. I played the game for exploration anyway, not for the story and the characters. But in a Bioware game, yeah that would bother me.

[Battlebloodmage]

Ironically I thought it did because Dorians personality was fun to me :/

Comic relief, sassy gay guy. 

[daveliam]

It goes both ways, it it doesn't make them good, especially with how many of these stereotypes are already presented in the media. 

 

Right, but no one is saying that they are good stereotypes.  I've said that the flamboyant gay stereotype is bad -- not in and of itself because it's actually representational of many guy guys, but because of how many people latch onto it and use it as ammo. 

 

I'm saying that Bioware doesn't have a problem with stereotypical gay representation in my opinion.

[Colonelkillabee]

Comic relief, sassy gay guy.

There's lots of comedy from lots of characters in the story. That wasn't all that Dorian was. He's a confident man that thinks and knows he's the **** both magically and appearance wise. And that has a sense of humor. It wouldn't be bad to anyone if he were straight, and that's unfair.