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[Addictress]

obviously.

and I am calling that bad. and gross. deeply vomit worthy.

And relying on the reflexes of pop zeitgeist instead of looking at it analytically.

[Cee]

 (I am honestly hoping that Harding is going to be one of the LIs in DA4).

 

You're not alone. I'd love her as companion/LI  but the way you could be said to be in an official relationship with her as of Trespasser gives me some doubts. But I hope they make this work. We need a dwarf LI and Harding is a great choice.
 

[Battlebloodmage]

Going back to this briefly: Yes.

 

Dorian doesn't talk about his sexuality frequently in public, but he doesn't hide it either. He easily mentions that the desire demon who attempted to seduce him took a male form, for example. 

The desire demon is one thing but the general public where he has a social standing is another matter. He can't mention that he's in a relationship with a guy.

 

 

There are a few instances where he hides his relationship, but as I said, it was a plethora of different things with no string attached sex, hiding from the public, the gay storyline, the stereotypical behaviors, but I think we would just gonna go back in a circle at this point, to be honest. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The strongest method by which media can tear down heteronormative power structures is not by forcing lectures and PSA's through NPCs and tokens. It is through ...say... the Rogue One method. To take control of protagonists and perspectives, to validate the perspective of someone who is not simply heterosexual, such that we explore the human condition through that vehicle. Give a straight bro gamer uninformed in sexual identity politics a controller, tell him to be a woman, who romances Isabela. He feels betrayed. He experiences a spectrum of feelings. Through the protagonist's eyes. Then you have validated the existence of someone who is not heteronormative and carved out, in the cultural space, a place for them. This is how you make ground.

 

The Rogue One method ? You mean to say that you want to have female protagonists fighting men twice her size and strength and winning because of "Gurl Powah !" teaching 'uninformed straight bro men' about heteronormative power structures ?

 

 

Do you what happens when a 'uninformed straight bro men' sees a movie like Rogue One ? He ends up not taking the movie seriously because despite all their supposed 'uninformed-ness', they know that the female 'Gurl Powah' protagonist in many recent movies would get her arse kicked in real life. They view movies like Rogue One as comic relief to be watched for a good time and nothing else.

 

They know that despite all the media push about 'strong independent wimminz' by Hollywood, women in real life struggle to compete against men physically in almost every level. Its why women have failed to pass the physical evaluation tests (that men pass) that is set by the military, the law enforcement and by the fire fighters. Its why women lose out when they compete against men in sports which is why we have separate sex categories for sports. Its why women need to rely on government intervention, affirmative actions, rule changes instead of a fair fight.

 

So good luck trying to lecture teach 'uninformed straight bros'.

 

 

I know many straight guys who play as woman to romance other woman. Main reason why Liara was a bisexual option. 

 

Many straight guys love girl-on-girl action. I thought this was obvious.

 

 

A boy not conforming to his parent's wishes? Not only is that common, that's pretty much my life in a nutshell, I'm not gay. Hence, I could relate to it, and no it isn't semantics, but rather a key aspect of Dorian's story that people too often overlook or don't understand.

 

People do not understand and do not want to accept that every trope and stereotype we have in fiction have been done before by someone else in one format or another. To them, as long as they 'destroy the stereotype' (whatever that means), then its all good.
 

 

Yeah, believe it or not , people don't need to share the same sexuality, or skin colour, or genitalia to be able to see similarities and parallels within their own life. Even if it isn't the exact same situation, people can still relate.

 

There is such a thing as empathy.

 

 

 

[Addictress]

The Rogue One method ? You mean to say that you want to have female protagonists fighting men twice her size and strength and winning because of "Gurl Powah !" teaching 'uninformed straight bro men' about heteronormative power structures ?



Do you what happens when a 'uninformed straight bro men' sees a movie like Rogue One ? He ends up not taking the movie seriously because despite all their supposed 'uninformed-ness', they know that the female 'Gurl Powah' protagonist in many recent movies would get her arse kicked in real life. They view movies like Rogue One as comic relief to be watched for a good time and nothing else.

They know that despite all the media push about 'strong independent wimminz' by Hollywood, women in real life struggle to compete against men physically in almost every level. Its why women have failed to pass the physical evaluation tests (that men pass) that is set by the military, the law enforcement and by the fire fighters. Its why women lose out when they compete against men in sports which is why we have separate sex categories for sports. Its why women need to rely on government intervention, affirmative actions, rule changes instead of a fair fight.

So good luck trying to lecture teach 'uninformed straight bros'.

Not sure how any of this is relevant when it looks like everything in the trailer is projectile weapons and manning advanced space craft

Bayonet Hipshot is a dudebro who sips mountain dew and works on old cars for sure

[Xilizhra]

They know that despite all the media push about 'strong independent wimminz' by Hollywood, women in real life struggle to compete against men physically in almost every level. Its why women have failed to pass the physical evaluation tests (that men pass) that is set by the military, the law enforcement and by the fire fighters. Its why women lose out when they compete against men in sports which is why we have separate sex categories for sports. Its why women need to rely on government intervention, affirmative actions, rule changes instead of a fair fight.

A. You're saying that all women have failed these? It seems to me that there are a few too many female cops for that to pass the sniff test.

B. If you're fighting fair in a life-or-death situation, you're doing it wrong.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

A. You're saying that all women have failed these? It seems to me that there are a few too many female cops for that to pass the sniff test.

B. If you're fighting fair in a life-or-death situation, you're doing it wrong.

 

A:- The overwhelming majority of women have failed physical evaluation tests set by many departments.

 

https://www.washingt...officer-course/

 

http://www.military....iments-end.html

 

http://www.washingto...-afte/?page=all

 

http://nypost.com/20...ns-to-the-fdny/

 

http://nypost.com/20...l-fitness-test/

 

http://www.dailymail...aded-women.html

 

http://denver.cbsloc...-fitness-tests/

 

I can keep going Xil sweetie, but reality is not very politically correct. Women as a group are unable to compete with men as a group when it comes to physical capabilities. As a result, daddy gubermint must come to the rescue by lowering the standards or by removing them outright. & no, having strong female characters in movies or in video games is not going to change that - Ever. Fictional Mary Sues like Rey or Wonder Woman or Jyn Erso and fictional female warriors like Aveline Vallen and Cassandra Pentaghast are not going to somehow make women strong, independent and empowered in real life. I for one look forward to the inevitable disaster schadenfreude hilarity when a politically correct military/law enforcement/firefighters clash with a politically incorrect reality.

 

B:- That is true but if you require Hollywood make-believe movies, government intervention, affirmative action and what have you to even the playing field and to be seen as strong and independent and empowered, its fair to say that you are not strong, not independent and not empowered.

 

Not sure how any of this is relevant when it looks like everything in the trailer is projectile weapons and manning advanced space craft

Bayonet Hipshot is a dudebro who sips mountain dew and works on old cars for sure

 

Yes, that is exactly it ! Hail Mountain Dew !

 

On a serious note, Rogue One will probably be a good movie but I will never take it seriously because like the Force Awakens, the female protagonist would be a Mary Sue, perfect without any flaws.
 

[Xilizhra]

A:- The overwhelming majority of women have failed physical evaluation tests set by many departments.

 

https://www.washingt...officer-course/

 

http://www.military....iments-end.html

 

http://www.washingto...-afte/?page=all

 

http://nypost.com/20...ns-to-the-fdny/

 

http://nypost.com/20...l-fitness-test/

 

http://www.dailymail...aded-women.html

 

http://denver.cbsloc...-fitness-tests/

 

I can keep going Xil sweetie, but reality is not very politically correct. Women as a group are unable to compete with men as a group when it comes to physical capabilities. As a result, daddy gubermint must come to the rescue by lowering the standards or by removing them outright. & no, having strong female characters in movies or in video games is not going to change that - Ever. Fictional Mary Sues like Rey or Wonder Woman or Jyn Erso and fictional female warriors like Aveline Vallen and Cassandra Pentaghast are not going to somehow make women strong, independent and empowered in real life. I for one look forward to the inevitable disaster schadenfreude hilarity when a politically correct military/law enforcement/firefighters clash with a politically incorrect reality.

So you have... two articles about one thing I didn't mention (Marine infantry officers), four from deeply unreliable sources, and one in which everyone was middle-aged and in which the article failed to cover more than one side. You'll forgive me if I'm not exactly reeling. Also, a more accurate version of your initial statement would be "women at their physical peak are generally unable to compete with men at their physical peak." Finally, are Luke Skywalker or Spider-Man Mary Sues, I wonder?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Frankly, this thread reminds me of a banter between Varric and Aveline in Dragon Age 2.

• Aveline: Maybe I should put you to use Varric. Have you pen some warnings for the lawless.
• Varric: Who's that for? Are most criminals big readers? Seems like pacifying the nobles.
• Aveline: Pictures then. It was just a suggestion.
• Varric: Well how about a giant sign that just says "Don't." You could hit people with it.
• Aveline: Thank you, I get the point.

Most people in this thread are like Aveline. They think they can use video games to do something that is practically impossible - Broaden something that has been broadened and explored by artists (to death) since humans are capable of writing and drawing.

 

Truly, think of a particular stereotype or trope or archetype and I can guarantee you that you will someone has done something on it before.

 

Its why movies, books, and games feel like they are all the same.

 

Like Varric says, what exactly is this supposed "broadening" (whatever that means) going to accomplish ? To turn video games from entertainment and fun into politically correct lecture tools and narrative pushing devices ?

 

If people want to learn about tropes and stereotypes and sexuality, they will use Google or a library to look up what they want. Or they will seek out someone who has actually done some studies on these things. The last thing on their minds will be - "I want to learn about tropes, stereotypes, and sexuality. Let's do that by playing a politically correct video game or watch a politically correct movie! Whee..."

 

 

So you have... two articles about one thing I didn't mention (Marine infantry officers), four from deeply unreliable sources, and one in which everyone was middle-aged and in which the article failed to cover more than one side. You'll forgive me if I'm not exactly reeling. Also, a more accurate version of your initial statement would be "women at their physical peak are generally unable to compete with men at their physical peak." Finally, are Luke Skywalker or Spider-Man Mary Sues, I wonder?

 

Keep denying reality Xil. Next you will be telling me that sexual dimorphism is not real and sexual differences between men and women are just social constructs of muh paytreearkee.

[BansheeOwnage]

This thread moves fast!

 

I wonder if instead of having them all be bisexual or playersexual, they can have the LIs be different orientations that can involve attraction to more than one sex, like for example say 2 bisexual, 1 pansexual, 1 demisexual or something. That still leaves all LIs available to all players, while also allowing them to delve more into the character's sexuality than leaving them completely blank slates. 

Ha, I suggested exactly the same thing at the same minute you did! Although at the time, I forgot to add demisexual to the list, I added it later. I originally planned to, but had to leave abruptly and forgot!

 

 

In any case, I am glad we had Dorian and his story, because of the multiple facets involved. My Inquisitor is bi, and my headcanon is that this brought her and Dorian closer because, as a Dalish woman, she faced some subtle, but present cultural pressure due to initially falling in love and planning a life with another woman (and the Dalish attitude toward same sex relationships isn't homophobic, but cultural pressure to go make babies exists, and looking at same sex pairings as a type of wasted resources can impact those involved. For mine, the pressure to become a mother is something that does gnaw at her, as an eldest sister, a role model, feeling like a disappointing daughter). So that brings them closer, and I was glad for that friendship for her.

See, this is what I was hoping would happen (and it did help me relate my Inquisitor to Dorian in my mind, but not in the game itself). For some reason, you have no option to relate to Dorian about your Quizzy's potential sexuality, even though I think it would have been a great moment (male Inquisitors at least can, even if it's not much).

 

Imagine if you could have a brief conversation with him about how his situation mirrored yours, and to what degree. Maybe he gave you the courage to come out (I know homosexuality isn't much of a thing in Thedas, but it could still be an issue for a noble or a Dalish elf like you said). Maybe as a human noble your family expected similar things of you as Dorian's, but you were spared the worst of it because you're the youngest child and need not produce an heir. Maybe they just accepted you and you hope Dorian's situation will get better. Or maybe you could have your situation with the Dalish clan.

 

I just think that one conversation could have added a lot to the game, at least for some people, and validated LGBT players playing LGBT characters (or at least it would have for me, since I didn't romance anyone with my canon Inquisitor and thus didn't get much of a chance to have that aspect of her [and me] validated).

 

Let's make all romance in the game for straight women and change their gender and orientation.

 

j/k

 

 

 

I have to play a male character to romance Cassandra and Dorian? Okay

I have to play a female character to romance Cullen, Sera, Blackwall, Solas? Okay.

 

Yes, I know not everyone thinks like this, but for me it isn't "me" who romances those characters. It is the chara I'm playing who romances them.

I'm glad you can do that and enjoy it. More power to you! For me though, I can't. If I'm going to do something as specific and personal as a romance in a story I need it to be relatable to me, otherwise there isn't any point doing it. That's how it is for me. This rule isn't absolute since I ended up romancing Cullen just because I loved the romance itself and Cullen as a character, but I still couldn't fully relate to it and know that if I could have... Wow

 

Alistair.

 

But as a woman.

Spoiler

Sweet Maker...

*Drools*

This idea me feel like Excited Dragon

I like this human, they understand!

 

Alllllllright, now that I've gotten that out of my system...

 

I really want a strong and stoic warrior in the next game, so I would rather not to have another mage or rogue, Instead of Knight in Shining Armor, I wouldn't mind a Knight in Sour Armor, someone who's a bit jaded like Archer from Fate Stay Night. An idealistic hero who has been betrayed his his ideal vision. That would actually be perfect with a Tevinter templar. 

I support Knights in Sour Armour in addition to Knights in Shining Armour!

[BansheeOwnage]

 

I can keep going Xil sweetie, but reality is not very politically correct. Women as a group are unable to compete with men as a group when it comes to physical capabilities.

Even if that's true in all cases (which it's not), there are so many situations in fiction and in real life where opponents' peak physical endurance or power are non-issues I don't see why women can't realistically be as formidable as men (or as realistically as anything is in fiction). For instance, just in Star Wars, you have people who use projectile weapons, Force-sensitives, and loads of ace pilots, all of whom could easily be men or women with no difference whatsoever in potential.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Even if that's true in all cases (which it's not), there are so many situations in fiction and in real life where opponents' peak physical endurance or power are non-issues I don't see why women can't realistically be as formidable as men (or as realistically as anything is in fiction). For instance, just in Star Wars, you have people who use projectile weapons, Force-sensitives, and loads of ace pilots, all of whom could easily be men or women with no difference whatsoever in potential.

 

FTFY. In fiction with magic, the Force and what have you, yes. In real life, it is usually a complete 180. You need to have physical  capable and physical endurance to be a capable soldier or fighter or policeman or firefighter.

 

Additionally, if there is no difference in potential between the sexes, then why are the pilots, the racing drivers, the sharpshooters, the martial art monks (that's the closest to what we have to a Jedi) overwhelmingly men ? Nonsensical patriarchy conspiracy ? Or is it because men in general are better at these things ?

 

As for sexualities, the world population is overwhelmingly heterosexual, with homosexuals somewhere between 1% to 7% of the population.

 

http://williamsinsti...nd-transgender/

 

http://www.gallup.co...ntify-lgbt.aspx

 

http://www.gallup.co...ay-lesbian.aspx

 

So logically, if we want a fictional setting that is realistic and representative, we should only expect 1% to 7% of Theodosians being homosexuals or bisexuals. Yet according to the majority of the posts in this topic, everyone should be bisexual or playersexual, which is not realistic and representative.

 

Now if I bring that argument up, people will start crying - "But its just fiction so we do not care about realism !". However, in the same breadth, they would want to use the unrealistic non-representative fiction as a form of education and propaganda tool to push a narrative in real life that does not mesh with reality at all because of social justice reasons. This is not very different from religious buffoons who use unrealistic non representative fiction written in fictional books they hold up as scriptures to educate/indoctrinate people

 

LOL ! Many of you want to make a video game setting that is representative and realistic yet they cannot come to terms with politically incorrect nature of reality itself.

 

The way I see it, we have 2 choices -

 

1) Have a fictional setting where men and woman are pretty much the same and equals when it comes to everything except for some organs and have a world that has a high percentage of playersexual, bisexual, homosexuals and transsexual people. However, this fictional setting cannot be used for any form of education or information since it is not very representative or very realistic. It is strictly for entertainment, not for educating 'straight dudebros'.

 

2) Have a fictional setting where all the differences between men and women are accurately portrayed with no politically correct sugarcoating. In addition, this fictional setting will accurately portray the representative percentage of all the sexualities and playersexual characters will not exist since there is no such thing as playersexual sexuality. This fictional setting can be used for education and information purposes.

 

If we are going with Choice 1, then the whole educating straight dudebro heteronormative nonsense has to stop. If you want to the education to be present, go with Choice 2. Based on observable evidence, Bioware themselves are choosing to go with Choice 1. This means they cannot use their game and their game setting as way to educate or to push a narrative or to inform or to dictate morality or to engage in some form of activism, since the game and its setting is not representative of reality. The reason for that is because its no different from a Bible thumper wanting to use the unrealistic and non representative contents of the Bible to educate and to dictate morals.

 

Cheers.

[Witch Cocktor]

'' Propaganda tool ''

 

Oh my goodness...

 

I don't want any education or propaganda in Dragon Age, unless it's propaganda to want a wide variety of LGBT characters, not just stereotypes after stereotype. Or if the mere presence of a LGBT character is considered '' propaganda '' lmaooo.

[9TailsFox]

The desire demon is one thing but the general public where he has a social standing is another matter. He can't mention that he's in a relationship with a guy.

 

 

There are a few instances where he hides his relationship, but as I said, it was a plethora of different things with no string attached sex, hiding from the public, the gay storyline, the stereotypical behaviors, but I think we would just gonna go back in a circle at this point, to be honest. 

Of course Dorian hide relationship with Inquisitor imagine backlash for Inquisitor dating Tevinter and who is Altus would be huge. Inquisitor have more than enough problems already.

[Jedi Comedian]

Actually, forget about Seb. I'm almost only into real Rogues lol.
I'd say Zev and Bela are my favs (I like assassins and duelists I cannot lie).

[Illyria]

This thread moves fast!

 

Ha, I suggested exactly the same thing at the same minute you did! Although at the time, I forgot to add demisexual to the list, I added it later. I originally planned to, but had to leave abruptly and forgot!

 

See, this is what I was hoping would happen (and it did help me relate my Inquisitor to Dorian in my mind, but not in the game itself. For some reason, you have no option to relate to Dorian about your Quizzy's potential sexuality, even though I think it would have been a great moment (male Inquisitors at least can, even if it's not much).

 

Imagine if you could have a brief conversation with him about how his situation mirrored yours, and to what degree. Maybe he gave you the courage to come out (I know homosexuality isn't much of a thing in Thedas, but it could still be an issue for a noble or a Dalish elf like you said). Maybe as a human noble your family expected similar things of you as Dorian's, but you were spared the worst of it because you're the youngest child and need not produce an heir. Maybe they just accepted you and hope that Dorian's situation will get better. Or maybe you could have your situation with the Dalish clan.

 

I just think that one conversation could have added a lot to the game, at least for some people, and validated LGBT players playing LGBT characters (or at least it would have for me, since I didn't romance anyone with my canon Inquisitor and thus didn't get much of a chance to have that aspect of her [and me] validated).

 

 

 

I'm glad you can do that and enjoy it. More power to you! For me though, I can't. If I'm going to do something as specific and personal as a romance in a story I need it to be relatable to me, otherwise there isn't any point doing it. That's how it is for me. This rule isn't absolute since I ended up romancing Cullen just because I loved the romance itself and Cullen as a character, but I still couldn't fully relate to it and know that if I could have... Wow

 

Spoiler

Sweet Maker...

*Drools*

This idea me fee like Excited Dragon

I like this human, they understand!

 

Alllllllright, now that I've gotten that out of my system...

 

I support Knights in Sour Armour in addition to Knights in Shining Armour!

 

Excited dragon!

 

I'm disapointed that I've never had any of those glitches in my copy of Skyrim.

 

Spoiler

I'm actually working on an f!Alistair AU at the moment, if you're interested.

 

You're not alone. I'd love her as companion/LI  but the way you could be said to be in an official relationship with her as of Trespasser gives me some doubts. But I hope they make this work. We need a dwarf LI and Harding is a great choice.
 

 

There's no Harding choice in the Keep, so unless they add it it's unlikely to be references in DA4.

[daveliam]

As for sexualities, the world population is overwhelmingly heterosexual, with homosexuals somewhere between 1% to 7% of the population.

 

http://williamsinsti...nd-transgender/

 

http://www.gallup.co...ntify-lgbt.aspx

 

http://www.gallup.co...ay-lesbian.aspx

 

So logically, if we want a fictional setting that is realistic and representative, we should only expect 1% to 7% of Theodosians being homosexuals or bisexuals. Yet according to the majority of the posts in this topic, everyone should be bisexual or playersexual, which is not realistic and representative.

 

Ugh.  Another person trotting out flawed self-reporting data as "fact".  I guess it will never end.

 

One more time --  This data isn't accurate and never will be as long as there is social stigma related to sexual identity.  They are asking people to identify as a stigmatized group when there is no incentive to do so.  These numbers don't identify the % of LGBT individuals; they identify the % of adults who are willing to identify as LGBT in a survey.  Basically, this is the bare minimum of how many LGBT individuals there are out there.  The researchers themselves even include a warning in the articles explaining that the number isn't accurate because it doesn't capture the real number, which would include people who don't want to identify as LGBT in the poll.  As someone who was "in the closet" at one point, I can tell you that I would never have identified as LGBT, even in an "anonymous" poll, when I was in the closet.  Hell no.  That's the entire point of the closet -- to hide your identity. 

 

So basically, this data tells you that at least 3.4% of Americans will identify as LGBT in an anonymous poll.  Which?  Not a terribly compelling statement.  But that's that.  It certainly doesn't tell you that in "the world population" there are "1-7%" homosexuals. 

 

It really chaps my ass when people misinterpret data to make their point.

[Artona]

 

 

Finally, are Luke Skywalker or Spider-Man Mary Sues, I wonder?

 

Don't know about Spider-Man, but Luke Skywalker does one badass thing in NH and wins one lightsaber fight in entire trylogy. At the end of RotJ. Rey starts out as much more accomplished and competent character. 

[Catilina]

“I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself” (Churchill) I have quoted before, but I think it fits here.

Drop it the **** out of this statistics. Please!

 

 

(If you're interested about, anything you can find as you want, just you need to know what you want to prove.)

[Jedi Comedian]

Well, to be fair I've liked every gay romance thus far, save for Dorian and Bull.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Ugh.  Another person trotting out flawed self-reporting data as "fact".  I guess it will never end.

 

One more time --  This data isn't accurate and never will be as long as there is social stigma related to sexual identity.  They are asking people to identify as a stigmatized group when there is no incentive to do so.  These numbers don't identify the % of LGBT individuals; they identify the % of adults who are willing to identify as LGBT in a survey.  Basically, this is the bare minimum of how many LGBT individuals there are out there.  The researchers themselves even include a warning in the articles explaining that the number isn't accurate because it doesn't capture the real number, which would include people who don't want to identify as LGBT in the poll.  As someone who was "in the closet" at one point, I can tell you that I would never have identified as LGBT, even in an "anonymous" poll, when I was in the closet.  Hell no.  That's the entire point of the closet -- to hide your identity. 

 

So basically, this data tells you that at least 3.4% of Americans will identify as LGBT in an anonymous poll.  Which?  Not a terribly compelling statement.  But that's that.  It certainly doesn't tell you that in "the world population" there are "1-7%" homosexuals. 

 

It really chaps my ass when people misinterpret data to make their point.

 

Fyi, if your ass is chapped, you should consider using lube next time. Vaseline is cheap.

 

So research done by academics and organizations who specialize in doing research is not factual and is misinterpretation of data but the anecdotal personal experiences are valid and should be used as a basis to create game settings ? So the data is not accurate but your anecdotal personal experiences are accurate ? Anecdotal fee-fees are better ?

 

If these research is so flawed, why don't you come up with some, eh ? Let's see you do better. Let's see you coming up with the definitive research on this matter. Oh wait, you won't, because you are not interested in facts, you are interested in pushing a narrative. Having a realistic and representative setting is irrelevant to you, muh narratives, playersexual otherkin headcannons is all that matters.

 

The majority of responses in this thread are based on purely anecdotal personal fee-fee experiences and the consensus is that it is perfectly okay to use these to build a supposedly realistic and believable game setting and to push for using video games as a form of propaganda and lecture to "educate straight dudebros" ? What's next ? Pushing to remove things you don't like because its sexual objectification ? Oh wait, you people did that already with Desire Demons.

 

If people out there are wondering why developers like CDProjektRed are doing so well with the Witcher 3 whereas Bioware is sliding into mediocrity, just look at this thread and you will realize why. Plot doesn't matter, believable setting doesn't matter, realism and realistic representation doesn't matter. Apparently, all that matters is a bunch of anecdotal personal experiences that should be used to push a narrative. All that matter is personal anecdotes that should be used to do the impossible - broaden archetypes, stereotypes and tropes instead of accepting them and working with them. All that matters is playersexual headcannons instead of making a world where people have actual real sexual preferences.

[Witch Cocktor]

Sometimes I forget that this is BSN, which is a haven for politically correct postmodernist SJWs. Also, if you ass is chapped, you should consider using lube next time.

 

Just because we aren't lining up to suck your dick doesn't mean this is a politically correct SJW haven.

You are going to hear opposition to your opinions, deal with it.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Just because we aren't lining up to suck your dick doesn't mean this is a politically correct SJW haven.

You are going to hear opposition to your opinions, deal with it.

 

Opposition ? Most of the responses in this thread are individual anecdotal personal experiences. At least I had the sense to look up some research conducted by people with credibility instead of relying on personal anecdotes to form my world view.

[Jedi Comedian]

Just because we aren't lining up to suck your dick doesn't mean this is a politically correct SJW haven.
You are going to hear opposition to your opinions, deal with it.

In my honest opinion there's absolutely nothing more politically correct than a homophobe.

[Yumakooma]

OP suggested that Bioware consider making characters with different mixtures of personality and sexuality than we have really had in the previous games. Blend them in with some similar to what we have had, a few new types would surely be agreeable (so I thought!).

 

Yet somehow the thread gets onto social justice warriors and political correctness

 

Let this be a warning to us all, you can no longer suggest something different or a new approach because you are a social justice warrior hunting for a politically correct world.