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[Battlebloodmage]

Yes, it really is odd.

 

The only people you can hug in the three DA games are:

 

- Bethany - If you send her to the Circle and then side with the Templars  <-- my Hawke loved her little Sis, I had sent her to the Wardens and when they saw each other again in the DR I had hoped I'd get a (Hug your little Sis) option in the dialogue wheel and was so sad there wasn't one.

 

- Varric - If you leave Hawke in the Fade <-- This is just evil. I'd never break Varric's heart just so I'm able to hug him

I would be cool to hug, but that would be extra animations. I guess it really needs to be depending on the situations and the person. 

 

Moreover, I feel like I really want to ability to kiss randomly back though. Probably since you can't do that in DAO with a gay character, and you really need to go all the way back to the castle. I don't know, I like a big bloody battle and kiss on the battlefiled. lol

[The Hierophant]

Despite my intitial criticism of DAI, Beamdog's writing for the new BG expansion has given me a newfound appreciation of DG's and Weekes' character writing.

 

I think I lost a few brain cells reading that.  

 

Nearly gave myself a black eye when i facepalmed.

 

Lmao, isn't that the idiot who said people have to be sensitive about using the words "hard work' because of slavery and "relative privilege"?

 

Lol it's her, good catch. 

[Biotic Apostate]

Ugh, Dethmold. Wasn't going to respond, but I can't help myself.

 

Dethmold was killed for his crimes, but the way it was done was crappy. He was presented as a devious gay man who had a sex slave (whom he raped), his polish voice was "the most despicable they could find" which apparently was a gay lisp, and his execution involved cutting off his junk and feeding it to him, to show how unmanly he was. The point here is not that there can be no gay villains, or that they should never die, but that making the only gay man in the presented universe (at that time) a pervert, mocking him and giving him an execution that's weirdly making fun of his sexuality is just insulting. Roche could gut him, break his bones, do a lot of damage to make Dethmold suffer even more instead of emasculating the only gay man in the series.

 

Both Philippa and him have their sex lives depicted as something disgusting and their sex scenes were done for laughs. The way they were presented was far from 'they just happen to be homosexual.' Especially in the case of Dethmold, the game was beating you over the head with how their sexuality was used to make them less likeable.

[Artona]

Roche could gut him, break his bones, do a lot of damage to make Dethmold suffer even more instead of emasculating the only gay man in the series.

 

Emasculating seems to be more cruel and humilitating than gutting or breaking bones, regardless of orientation. 
 

[Gilli]

I would be cool to hug, but that would be extra animations. I guess it really needs to be depending on the situations and the person. 

 

Oh, of course it would have to depend on the character.

 

I can't imagine to be able to hug Bull, or Viv.

But characters like, Cole, Dorian, Cullen, Varric totally deserve a hug after their respective quests/cut scenes. (for example: Cole after the talk on the battlements after WPHW, Dorian after his "talk" with his father, Cullen during his struggle with the Lyrium withdrawal, Varric after the Fade and/or after what happened in Well Sh**)

[SnakeCode]

Lmao, prime example of outrage culture. Dethmold WAS devious, and he was despicable. It had absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality. The game didn't "beat you over the head" with anything it never once mentioned him being gay as a negative character trait. Some people are just hell-bent on being offended so they see what they want to see. Smh.

[daveliam]

Ugh, Dethmold. Wasn't going to respond, but I can't help myself.

 

Dethmold was killed for his crimes, but the way it was done was crappy. He was presented as a devious gay man who had a sex slave (whom he raped), his polish voice was "the most despicable they could find" which apparently was a gay lisp, and his execution involved cutting off his junk and feeding it to him, to show how unmanly he was. The point here is not that there can be no gay villains, or that they should never die, but that making the only gay man in the presented universe (at that time) a pervert, mocking him and giving him an execution that's weirdly making fun of his sexuality is just insulting. Roche could gut him, break his bones, do a lot of damage to make Dethmold suffer even more instead of emasculating the only gay man in the series.

 

Both Philippa and him have their sex lives depicted as something disgusting and their sex scenes were done for laughs. The way they were presented was far from 'they just happen to be homosexual.' Especially in the case of Dethmold, the game was beating you over the head with how their sexuality was used to make them less likeable.

 

Exactly.  I've said it before.  If Meredith had a line or two mentioning an ex-girlfriend, that'd be fine.  I would happily still fight her to the death and would still recognize her as a "good villain".  I'd have no issue with Solas being a bisexual villain, either. 

 

The issue isn't having gay people as villains.  It's having all of the gay people be villains.  Or it's having the gay villain be made "more creepy" by highlighting the 'deviant lifestyle' by having them rape men or be a predator for small children.  When that happens, then I'm not thrilled.  Because that's been the exact type of narrative that has caused so many of the issues with sexuality today.  But having a run-of-the-mill 'normal' villain happen to be gay?  Not an issue with that at all.  Obviously, not everyone will agree with me (because there isn't a topic on the planet that everyone will agree upon), but that's how I feel about it. 

 

In fact, I'd welcome a character like Loghain or Meredith or Solas be gay in the next game.  An antagonist who is interesting and compelling and just happens to be gay?  That'd be cool actually.

[Witch Cocktor]

Ugh, Dethmold. Wasn't going to respond, but I can't help myself.

 

Dethmold was killed for his crimes, but the way it was done was crappy. He was presented as a devious gay man who had a sex slave (whom he raped), his polish voice was "the most despicable they could find" which apparently was a gay lisp, and his execution involved cutting off his junk and feeding it to him, to show how unmanly he was. The point here is not that there can be no gay villains, or that they should never die, but that making the only gay man in the presented universe (at that time) a pervert, mocking him and giving him an execution that's weirdly making fun of his sexuality is just insulting. Roche could gut him, break his bones, do a lot of damage to make Dethmold suffer even more instead of emasculating the only gay man in the series.

 

Both Philippa and him have their sex lives depicted as something disgusting and their sex scenes were done for laughs. The way they were presented was far from 'they just happen to be homosexual.' Especially in the case of Dethmold, the game was beating you over the head with how their sexuality was used to make them less likeable.

Well I mean, isn't the Witcher universe just really homophobic in general? Hearing this does make me a bit uneasy but if it's how developers want to portray the universe, then that's their call. We can just hope that their focus isn't to force any kind of anti-LGBT agenda with how they choose to portray the gay villain, and the premise of said character isn't to mock homosexuality in general.

[SnakeCode]

Get back to me when gay men make up more than 0.001% of villains. All gay people are villains? What world are you living in?

[daveliam]

Get back to me when gay men make up more than 0.001% of villains. All gay people are villains? What world are you living in?

 

Who's looking to be outraged now?  Stop clutching your pearls, SnakeCode.  You should know better than to assume that I would make a blatantly inaccurate generalization like "all gay people are villains" and have it mean in media.  That would silly.

 

That's not what I meant.  I meant within a setting.  I meant in a setting with no other gay people, it's bullshit to have the only gay person a villain.  Especially when their sexuality is used to make them more creepy and nefarious. 

[Artona]

 

 

The issue isn't having gay people as villains.  It's having all of the gay people be villains.  Or it's having the gay villain be made "more creepy" by highlighting the 'deviant lifestyle' by having them rape men or be a predator for small children.

 

It's a common trope to make villains more repulsive by making them "creepy" and "rapey" and it applies to hetero villains as well. 

[Biotic Apostate]

Get back to me when gay men make up more than 0.001% of villains. All gay people are villains? What world are you living in?

When Witcher 2 came out, 100% of gay men presented in the games were despicable rapists. Get back to me, when Witcher has a major gay character that is not a villain.

[SnakeCode]

Who's looking to be outraged now?  Stop clutching your pearls, SnakeCode.  You should know better than to assume that I would make a blatantly inaccurate generalization like "all gay people are villains" and have it mean in media.  That would silly.

 

That's not what I meant.  I meant within a setting. I meant in a setting with no other gay people, it's bullshit to have the only gay person a villain.  Especially when their sexuality is used to make them more creepy and nefarious. 

 

So name a game, film or TV show where this is the case. I doubt you can. Dethmold isn't the only gay character in TW, so that's out. Name one.

[Catilina]

Well I mean, isn't the Witcher universe just really homophobic in general? Hearing this does make me a bit uneasy but if it's how developers want to portray the universe, then that's their call. We can just hope that their focus isn't to force any kind of anti-LGBT agenda with how they choose to portray the gay villain, and the premise of said character isn't to mock homosexuality in general.

I think The Wicher focused on the presentation of cruelty and the hatred. Rather with deterrent purpose.

[SnakeCode]

When Witcher 2 came out, 100% of gay men presented in the games were despicable rapists. Get back to me, when Witcher has a major gay character that is not a villain.

 

Oh so we're moving the goalposts now. It's gone from gay characters to "gay men" who are "major characters"

 

Is that because you know full well there are multiple gay characters that aren't villains?

[Witch Cocktor]

So name a game, film or TV show where this is the case. I doubt you can. Dethmold isn't the only gay character in TW, so that's out. Name one.

 

[General TSAR]

Him is gay now?

[Biotic Apostate]

Oh so we're moving the goalposts now. It's gone from gay characters to "gay men" who are "major characters"

 

Is that because you know full well there are multiple gay characters that aren't villains?

I said at the time Witcher 2 came out.

There's one in 3. Mislav. And that's it. But very well - 50% of gay men in Witcher are despicable rapists.

[SnakeCode]

It's a common trope to make villains more repulsive by making them "creepy" and "rapey" and it applies to hetero villains as well. 

 

Yes, but this is only because of their sexuality or race when they aren't straight or white, because feels before reals.

[Witch Cocktor]

A lot of children's cartoons really love their sophisticated, snarky, slightly feminine, non-masculine, uses brains instead brawn, probably loves fashion, in general is over-the-top personality wise, either has a british accent or a lisp male villains. Why? Possibly to show how WEIRD and DIFFERENT these villains are from the heroes, and how these are indesireable traits for a character that is a male hero? And those traits can usually be seen in homosexual men.

 

Idk. But I have seen that trope quite a few times.

[daveliam]

It's a common trope to make villains more repulsive by making them "creepy" and "rapey" and it applies to hetero villains as well. 

 

Yeah, I get that.  It's not the "villain is creepy" thing.  It's the "gay stereotype as a proxy for creepy" thing that I don't love.

 

 

So name a game, film or TV show where this is the case. I doubt you can. Dethmold isn't the only gay character in TW, so that's out. Name one.

 

Silence of the Lambs

 

That's literally the one that I was thinking about when I was writing it.  I can go on if you'd like me to, but your challenge was to just name one because you doubted that I could. 

 

It happens all the time.  Especially if you just look at the stereotypical lisping gay stereotype as villain.  It happens ALL. THE.  TIME.  And it's been happening since the golden age of Hollywood.

 

http://tvtropes.org/...in/SissyVillain

[Biotic Apostate]

Well I mean, isn't the Witcher universe just really homophobic in general? Hearing this does make me a bit uneasy but if it's how developers want to portray the universe, then that's their call. We can just hope that their focus isn't to force any kind of anti-LGBT agenda with how they choose to portray the gay villain, and the premise of said character isn't to mock homosexuality in general.

It's not just the death. It's the voice (the English version is far more neutral), the sex slave (that is underweight and scared), and the fact that when 2 came out, he was the only gay man they ever created in that world. Even if they didn't intend it, it does send out a message.

[daveliam]

Oh so we're moving the goalposts now. It's gone from gay characters to "gay men" who are "major characters"

 

Is that because you know full well there are multiple gay characters that aren't villains?

Yes, but this is only because of their sexuality or race when they aren't straight or white, because feels before reals.

 

Have you lost your mind?  You are normally rationale.  Why are you being such an aggressive douche right now?  NO ONE said that there aren't multiple gay characters who aren't villains.  MOST gay characters aren't villains.  Stop.  Breath.  And read before you respond.  You are literally making **** up and then getting offended by the **** you made up yourself.

[Witch Cocktor]

Him is gay now?

 

*sigh* he certainly has a lot of stereotypical homosexual traits without any confirmation that he is or isn't homosexual.

in his case, we could read him having such traits is to only strengthen the portrayal of how he is bad and evil and weird and creepy and despicable.

and he does lick the professor yo

 

[Artona]

 

Yeah, I get that.  It's not the "villain is creepy" thing.  It's the "gay stereotype as a proxy for creepy" thing that I don't love.

 

 

Detmold isn't creepy because he likes to have sex with other man. Detmold is creepy because he keeps sex slave. If his sex slave was female, he would be creepy as well. So being gay has nothing to do with his creepyness in my opinion.