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[Battlebloodmage]

The average person doesn't believe those stereotypes though. And if someone does, why strain yourself for someone so dense? Worry about people you can at least build a bridge to. Not that.

 

I'm Asian. I won't be answering your math questions anytime soon

it's the subconscious thing, in term of biology, human brain works by putting people into boxes, so it helps the brain categorized things easier, they see similarity between objects, and they group them together. It will keep perpetuate if we don't bring attention to the misinformation. I have already pointed the potential problems with it. This thread starts out to just want the audience be aware of the archetypes they have so far, and it's more about have more variety with their characters, I don't even know why it devolves into an argument about SJW. 

[The Hierophant]

I'm Asian. I won't be answering your math questions anytime soon

Cool, but i need help with SFV. Hard Survival to be specific. Oh and that Jeremy Lin sure is something?

[straykat]

it's the subconscious thing, in term of biology, human brain works by putting people into boxes, so it helps the brain categorized things easier, they see similarity between objects, and they group them together. It will keep perpetuate if we don't bring attention to the misinformation. I have already pointed the potential problems with it. This thread starts out to just want the audience be aware of the archetypes they have so far, and it's more about have more variety with their characters, I don't even know why it devolves into an argument about SJW. 

 

The more people grow up in mixed communities (even slightly so), the more this bullshit won't phase them. Because things right in front of your face always hit home. The media doesn't have power over that. Over everyday life.

 

Tbh, I'm half-Asian so I avoid the worst kind of stereotypes. But even then, I only see it from rednecks. I live in the US South, and believe it or not, most people are cool. You'd think there'd be rednecks everywhere, but there isn't

[straykat]

Cool, but i need help with SFV. Hard Survival to be specific. Oh and that Jeremy Lin sure is something?

 

Sorry.. I just button mash on Tekken.

[The Hierophant]

Sorry.. I just button mash on Tekken.

Well damn. That means i'll have to *bites lip* git gud then. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Yes, it really is odd.

 

The only people you can hug in the three DA games are:

 

- Bethany - If you send her to the Circle and then side with the Templars  <-- my Hawke loved her little Sis, I had sent her to the Wardens and when they saw each other again in the DR I had hoped I'd get a (Hug your little Sis) option in the dialogue wheel and was so sad there wasn't one.

 

- Varric - If you leave Hawke in the Fade <-- This is just evil. I'd never break Varric's heart just so I'm able to hug him

Well, people you can hug who you don't romance, but yeah, that is what we're talking about after all. I actually sacrificed Hawke after my first playthrough (poor Stroud) partly because I changed my worldstate to see Alistair as a Warden and just couldn't leave him there, and also because of what Flemeth said to Hawke I will assume she's alright until proven otherwise (Weekes did emphasize that we Never Found The Body).

 

We should've been able to hug Cullen in his lyrium withdrawal scene. But no, we just pat him on the shoulder. Wtf is that ****.

I know, right? This is exactly what I was about to say! I mean, wow, wasted opportunity! And that pat on the shoulder was barely even a pat on the shoulder. I mean, I'm glad I got to hug him in the romance here (and other places) but the whole point of that hugs can be, and often are, platonic too. Like... most hugs. I wanted to hug him with my canon Quizzy who didn't romance him, but noooo.

[Battlebloodmage]

The more people grow up in mixed communities (even slightly so), the more this bullshit won't phase them. Because things right in front of your face always hit home. The media doesn't have power over that. Over everyday life.

 

Tbh, I'm half-Asian so I avoid the worst kind of stereotypes. But even then, I only see it from rednecks. I live in the US South, and believe it or not, most people are cool. You'd think there'd be rednecks everywhere, but there isn't

Half-Asians don't usually get the kind of stereotypes Asians usually have with viewing as foreign, nerdy, non-sexualized. Yes, the more people grow up in mixed communities, but that doesn't usually happen. Many communities are not like that. We are not really at that point yet. There are researches, studies, and polls on stereotypes and perceptions that show otherwise. Maybe we'll reach the point where stereotypes don't matter, but I don't think we reach that point yet. 

[ArcaneEsper]

The media doesn't have power over that. Over everyday life.

Just throwing in my two cents, but the media does have an impact on everyday life. It's a passive influence that one is consistently exposed to. While not everyone will fully embrace everything they see/hear, to some extent people are affected. So any kind of message being projected by the media; gay people are like so, etc. Is likely to shape the way some other people view gay people. Particularly so when that is the prime exposure any given person is getting in relation to that subject. 

[Colonelkillabee]

it might not but her being a dalish blood mage is given plenty of recognition as weird by the story itself. and the problem with your claims of unbelievability remain. four bisexuals in a room is something that actually factually happens in real life. meaning that the word "unrealistic" is more than a bit frivolous. 

Not really, you're not trying that hard to see. I mean, a man fighting off a bunch of germans armed with nothing but a bagpipe, some grenades, a friggin claymore and his balls of steel, that actually happened... Google Crazy Jack Churchill.

 

But if I wrote an OC anything like that, most people would call it unrealistic, no?

 

Disclaimer: No I don't think finding four bisexuals randomly in a group for a story is on par with something as insane as finding someone as badass as Jack Churchill, lol.

[Colonelkillabee]

Ugh, it's like you people want to aggravate people instead of have a discussion.

One day stereotypes are not good or bad, the next day '' stop stereotyping!!!! ''

One day stereotypes have some truth to them, the next day '' haha now u the one stereotyping gay men how ironic ''

That's called showing irony... When we tell you you're stereotyping... it's because it's ironic that you are, lol. Thought that was obvious.

 

If you feel aggravated, it's probably because you noticed they're right, lol.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

so broadening sexual stereotypes is all about anal sex? good to know

[Colonelkillabee]

Exactly.  I've said it before.  If Meredith had a line or two mentioning an ex-girlfriend, that'd be fine.  I would happily still fight her to the death and would still recognize her as a "good villain".  I'd have no issue with Solas being a bisexual villain, either. 

 

The issue isn't having gay people as villains.  It's having all of the gay people be villains.  Or it's having the gay villain be made "more creepy" by highlighting the 'deviant lifestyle' by having them rape men or be a predator for small children.  When that happens, then I'm not thrilled.  Because that's been the exact type of narrative that has caused so many of the issues with sexuality today.  But having a run-of-the-mill 'normal' villain happen to be gay?  Not an issue with that at all.  Obviously, not everyone will agree with me (because there isn't a topic on the planet that everyone will agree upon), but that's how I feel about it. 

 

In fact, I'd welcome a character like Loghain or Meredith or Solas be gay in the next game.  An antagonist who is interesting and compelling and just happens to be gay?  That'd be cool actually.

Personally, and I might be alone in this... I don't associate boy lovers and rapists with gay people anymore than I would associate a rapist of women with heterosexuals. Feminists might, but not your common man or woman.

 

A rapist tends to be into it for the thrill of devaluing and violating someone. They're sick. It's not even necessarily a man only thing, even some gay rapists rape women too. I've never associated pedophiles with gays either, as I said, as they're just sick people that more times than not pick children, boys or whatever because they're in a position of power that allows them to.\

 

In other words, I'm with Snake when he says Dethmold's sexuality isn't the thing they use to show you he's despicable. It's pretty clear he's just a despicable person that uses rape as a weapon. Yes it's against men, but you see this in war all the time. Soldiers, men are raped quite often, to psychologically murder their enemy in the worst way they can imagine. Doesn't even matter if you're gay. In fact, some are threatened with death if they don't participate in the rape. It's some brutal ****.

[Jedi Comedian]

so broadening sexual stereotypes is all about anal sex?

?

[Colonelkillabee]

so broadening sexual stereotypes is all about anal sex? good to know

  What are you even on about, lol.

[Witch Cocktor]

That's called showing irony... When we tell you you're stereotyping... it's because it's ironic that you are, lol. Thought that was obvious.

 

If you feel aggravated, it's probably because you noticed they're right, lol.

 

I have a vague idea why you think it's ironic, but I'd like a bit of clarification.

[straykat]

Just throwing in my two cents, but the media does have an impact on everyday life. It's a passive influence that one is consistently exposed to. While not everyone will fully embrace everything they see/hear, to some extent people are affected. So any kind of message being projected by the media; gay people are like so, etc. Is likely to shape the way some other people view gay people. Particularly so when that is the prime exposure any given person is getting in relation to that subject. 

 

I'm picturing the Cable Guy.. Someone who learned all his life lessons from Gilligan's Island.

 

OK, I'm being facetious. Sorry. Honestly, I think gays are dealing with tradition and social norms. Not media. They can try to unravel it through media, but it won't happen anytime soon. The best people can hope for is simply not be dehumanized and to be treated equally. And maybe the media can help there. But I doubt it'll ever be treated normally.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

  What are you even on about, lol.

Usually i just try to be politically incorrect and confusing as ****

[Battlebloodmage]

  What are you even on about, lol.

He was talking about instead of gay people and women having anal sex, we should broaden it into pegging for straight guys. 

[Jedi Comedian]

He was talking about instead of gay people and women having anal sex, we should broaden it into pegging for straight guys.

W-what the...

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm picturing the Cable Guy.. Someone who learned all his life lessons from Gilligan's Island.

 

OK, I'm being facetious. Sorry. Honestly, I think gays are dealing with tradition and social norms. Not media. They can try to unravel it through media, but it won't happen anytime soon. The best people can hope for is simply not be dehumanized and to be treated equally. And maybe the media can help there. But I doubt it'll ever be treated normally.

There is a big shift between each generation and their perception on not only sexuality but on race as well. In general, each generation is becoming a bit more acceptance because of something like the "grass root" effect where each generation lay a foundation for the future generation to follow. That's why there's often a saying like "from a different generation". 

[Battlebloodmage]

W-what the...

Are you confused or aroused? I need to know before I respond. 

[Catilina]

The more people grow up in mixed communities (even slightly so), the more this bullshit won't phase them. Because things right in front of your face always hit home. The media doesn't have power over that. Over everyday life.

 

Tbh, I'm half-Asian so I avoid the worst kind of stereotypes. But even then, I only see it from rednecks. I live in the US South, and believe it or not, most people are cool. You'd think there'd be rednecks everywhere, but there isn't

 

Most more ppl cool, I ready to believe, even also my own experience show, but never underestimate the human impressionability, and the herd's stupidity. Here is the media's responsibility, and the and the danger of stereotyping.

[Colonelkillabee]

I have a vague idea why you think it's ironic, but I'd like a bit of clarification.

It's simple really, a lot of the arguments people have used to say Dorian and others are stereotypical gay dudes, are the same arguments "dude bros" use for him and other characters be they stereotypical or not. You don't think it's a little funny that half the guys here that champion the LGBT agenda find him stereotypical and people like myself don't? It's like opposite day, you and others latch on to a certain image of gay harder than we do, meanwhile we're actually more accepting of it and other forms of "gayness" than some here seem to be.

 

That's why it's ironic. All this talk of avoiding stereotypes and people end up stereotyping Dorian and gay people like him harder than your typical homophobic frat boy.

[straykat]

There is a big shift between each generation and their perception on not only sexuality but on race as well. In general, each generation is becoming a bit more acceptance because of something like the "grass root" effect where each generation lay a foundation for the future generation to follow. That's why there's often a saying like "from a different generation". 

 

It isn't going to change to the point that people stop becoming straight, because they're a new generation. And that alone will make it the norm.

 

And if it didn't, the human race would just die. lol

 

Anyways.. my only point is.. well my hope is.. that people aren't treated like **** for any of these things. That they can just go about their ways. But big cultural shifts? I doubt it.

[Battlebloodmage]

It isn't going to change to the point that people stop becoming straight, because they're a new generation. And that alone will make it the norm.

 

And if it didn't, the human race would just die. lol

People don't stop being straight, people don't stop being gay. It just means that they view it as the norm instead of making a big deal about it.