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Don't remind me. My second Warden romanced Morrigan and was friends with Zevran. Once I wanted to talk to Morrigan, next moment she's telling my Warden how he dares having an affair "with the elf". I sat there flabbergasted, like... WTH!  :blink: My Warden had NEVER flirted with Zevran. I extra avoided all flirt lines and always went with his approval page on the DA wiki and I STILL had to breakup a non-existent romance.  <_<

 

Ahhh, the days of DAO ninjamances. With me it was Leliana protesting about one of my Wardens flirting with Alistair - which would have been fair enough if my Warden had ever flirted with Leliana. And then Leli's romance flags were so broken I had to break up with her twice before I could bang Al. (All that just so the Warden in question could give him a pity f*** before she sent him off to marry Anora. She was still hung up on Gorrim.)


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I have a dalish elf fetish.... lol. Wouldn't mind another dalish elven woman.

 

Or some scout Harding. Mmm... I have no preference for race really. Only preference is that they're not Orlesian, lol. Leliana's voice gives me a headache, and I hate Orlesians in general. Loghain is my spirit animal, lol.

 

Probably wouldn't bang a qunari either.

To be honest, I usually find French accents grating as well even though I was in a French Immersion programme for all of my schooling, and am bilingual. Or maybe it's because of that, I don't know  ^_^  Even though Leliana's accent is "lighter" on account of being half-British, it's her speech style and mannerisms that irk me.

 

There are exceptions though; I could listen to Riordan/Stroud's voice all day, no problem.

 

Humans. I've always attracted more to humans. For Mass Effect, I would at least like to romance a Turian since both of the male options in ME3 was humans. For DAI, I like a male KISA. A strong knight with a bright idealistic view, but he could also be soured by how society treating his ideas, so he could be a bit dark and sarcastic. It seems like the perfect setting for a Tevinter templar to be the gay option. However, for the love of all things that is holy, don't make a big deal out of his sexuality again just because he's from Tevinter. Let's just treat his relationship as if it's a straight relationship. I don't want to be a special snowflake, I want to be just like everyone else, so I hope they don't bring attention about how my relationship is different. 

I'm with you. They kind of messed up the whole inclusive world they had going by making Tevinter not just a land of mustache-twirling blood mages, but a land of sexist, homophobic mustache-twirling blood mages (yes, I'm exaggerating, but not by much) so they could make Krem and Dorian's stories. And now we're heading there... Great...

 

LOL, even Halo got better love stories than twilight :lol:

Which reminds me, we haven't got a love triangle, right? That would be something new.

It could mix things up, but if they have one I personally hope it's not one where both NPCs are attracted to the PC, since I think that makes the "The PC is the most awesome person in the universe" thing a little overt. Instead, let's have one of the NPCs be attracted to the other NPC.


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Ahhh, the days of DAO ninjamances. With me it was Leliana protesting about one of my Wardens flirting with Alistair - which would have been fair enough if my Warden had ever flirted with Leliana. And then Leli's romance flags were so broken I had to break up with her twice before I could bang Al. (All that just so the Warden in question could give him a pity f*** before she sent him off to marry Anora. She was still hung up on Gorrim.)


Ninjamances were da ****, man. Companions are omniscient now. Hmpf.

I have a dalish elf fetish.... lol. Wouldn't mind another dalish elven woman.

Probably wouldn't bang a qunari either.


Heh. Good man.

What is wrong with the Qunari, though? They're majestic!

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I'm with you. They kind of messed up the whole inclusive world they had going by making Tevinter not just a land of mustache-twirling blood mages, but a land of sexist, homophobic mustache-twirling blood mages (yes, I'm exaggerating, but not by much) so they could make Krem and Dorian's stories. And now we're heading there... Great!
 

It could mix things up, but if they have one I personally hope it's not one where both NPCs are attracted to the PC, since I think that makes the "The PC is the most awesome person in the universe" thing a little overt. Instead, let's have one of the NPCs be attracted to the other NPC.


I'm curious about that, why it was a nightmare for Dorian and Krem but Mae is a high ranked magister when she actually is a he? The rest of the magisters ignore that?


So, you mean a pissed NPC if we romance it's crush? That would be interesting... and fun :lol:

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I'm curious about that, why it was a nightmare for Dorian and Krem but Mae is a high ranked magister when she actually is a he? The rest of the magisters ignore that?


The second volume of World of Thedas explains that she had an extremely rich father who loved her and supported her. So while her opinions are unpopular and her gender identity was somewhat scandalous when first revealed, she's insulated to some degree by wealth, status and now her seat in the Magisterium. Which isn't to say that things have been easy for her - it's probable that her enemies in Tevinter killed her husband, Varric's cousin.

 

(Also, Mae is definitely a she. Just a she with a Y chromosome. It happens.)


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Heh. Good man.
What is wrong with the Qunari, though? They're majestic!tumblr_mzgcntrsRY1qaychzo1_500.jpg

Rasaan!? Argh! my freaking eyes, dude! Everyone but that zealot, here this one is better.
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The second volume of World of Thedas explains that she had an extremely rich father who loved her and supported her. So while her opinions are unpopular and her gender identity was somewhat scandalous when first revealed, she's insulated to some degree by wealth, status and now her seat in the Magisterium. Which isn't to say that things have been easy for her - it's probable that her enemies in Tevinter killed her husband, Varric's cousin.

(Also, Mae is definitely a she. Just a she with a Y chromosome. It happens.)

I wasn't trying to be mean, I just was more direct.

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I'm curious about that, why it was a nightmare for Dorian and Krem but Mae is a high ranked magister when she actually is a he? The rest of the magisters ignore that?

Well, it's partly what Andraste said above/below, and partly because Krem was trying to serve in a division of the military where "women" weren't allowed to serve, and "lied" on an enlistment form. Mae didn't have those specific problems, though she had her fair share. Different social positions, basically. The rich/ruling class can get away with more.

 

The second volume of World of Thedas explains that she had an extremely rich father who loved her and supported her. So while her opinions are unpopular and her gender identity was somewhat scandalous when first revealed, she's insulated to some degree by wealth, status and now her seat in the Magisterium. Which isn't to say that things have been easy for her - it's probable that her enemies in Tevinter killed her husband, Varric's cousin.

 

(Also, Mae is definitely a she. Just a she with a Y chromosome. It happens.)

Not just to transgender people, either, interestingly enough.

 

So, you mean a pissed NPC if we romance it's crush? That would be interesting... and fun :lol:

Yeah, that's what I meant. It could be interesting!



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To be honest, I usually find French accents grating as well even though I was in a French Immersion programme for all of my schooling, and am bilingual. Or maybe it's because of that, I don't know. Even though Leliana's accent is "lighter" on account of being half-British, it's her speech style and mannerisms that irk me.

 

There are exceptions though; I could listen to Riordan/Stroud's voice all day, no problem.

 

I'm with you. They kind of messed up the whole inclusive world they had going by making Tevinter not just a land of mustache-twirling blood mages, but a land of sexist, homophobic mustache-twirling blood mages (yes, I'm exaggerating, but not by much) so they could make Krem and Dorian's stories. And now we're heading there... Great...

 

It could mix things up, but if they have one I personally hope it's not one where both NPCs are attracted to the PC, since I think that makes the "The PC is the most awesome person in the universe" thing a little overt. Instead, let's have one of the NPCs be attracted to the other NPC.

It does seem weird how in a matriarchal society, the Tevinter is being seen as evil, and the place is dominated by males who are slave owners, sexist, and homophobic. It's like the typical mustache twirling villain. I think they try to avoid bad stereotypes to the point that the bad attributes get pushed to one side.

 

That is what I want. Something like maybe Garrus and Tali were already in a relationship by the end of ME1, and in ME2, you are either playing the third wheel or they remain in a relationship. It's weird how they all attract to the PC and only get with each other after the PC has already been taken.

 

I kinda hope for some more villain LIs though, even if we have to kill them in the end, tragic romance, maybe sharing one last kiss as they die. It's not like Bioware doesn't make romances that end badly, so maybe they could try to use that bad romance for villains where we know that it may end badly instead on one of the good guys then hit it on your face suddenly when the LIs die or cheat on you. 


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I'm curious about that, why it was a nightmare for Dorian and Krem but Mae is a high ranked magister when she actually is a he? The rest of the magisters ignore that?


 

My guess is a mix of wealth and a rather strong amount of magical ability. Wealth and a seat in Magisterium are both powerful help, but I would imagine that she's an extremely powerful mage, cause I don't think she could have truly thrived and survived in a place like Tevinter without being able to hold her own.



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I kinda hope for some more villain LIs though, even if we have to kill them in the end, tragic romance, maybe sharing one last kiss as they die. It's not like Bioware doesn't make romances that end badly, so maybe they could try to use that bad romance for villains where we know that it may end badly instead on one of the good guys then hit it on your face suddenly when the LIs die or cheat on you.


Oh, I definitely want a LI villain, with feelings deep inside, but so cold and compromised to the cause that knows that it is the only way, (s)he won't switch side, and out of respect won't try to force you to do so either

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I kinda hope for some more villain LIs though, even if we have to kill them in the end, tragic romance, maybe sharing one last kiss as they die. It's not like Bioware doesn't make romances that end badly, so maybe they could try to use that bad romance for villains where we know that it may end badly instead on one of the good guys then hit it on your face suddenly when the LIs die or cheat on you. 

I swear, if Bioware finally makes the romance I want, that one I've been talking about in this thread, then has it end in tragedy no matter what, I'm gonna be pissed <_< Or maybe just depressed  :P

 

I agree that if they do tragic romances it should be with a villain companion, but I doubt we'll have another one of those for a while after Solas.


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I swear, if Bioware finally makes the romance I want, that one I've been talking about in this thread, then has it end in tragedy no matter what, I'm gonna be pissed <_< Or maybe just depressed  :P

 

I agree that if they do tragic romances it should be with a villain companion, but I doubt we'll have another one of those for a while after Solas.

Well, the romance I want wouldn't be a villain anyway since it's a KISA type and at most, he may have a crisis moment in the game, but I don't think we would be forced to kill him. People like Cullen wouldn't be villains, but the option I want are people like Alistair, Cullen, and Kaidan which are definitely not the same archetype as the one I'm referring to when I'm talking about villain romance. I do want for any experimental romance to be the extra romance out of the standard 6 I want them to have, the extra one could be a villain who betrays you or maybe a polyamory option people have been talking about. 


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I swear, if Bioware finally makes the romance I want, that one I've been talking about in this thread, then has it end in tragedy no matter what, I'm gonna be pissed <_< Or maybe just depressed :P

I agree that if they do tragic romances it should be with a villain companion, but I doubt we'll have another one of those for a while after Solas.

Technically, Solas doesn't count, as he was our "ally" when we had the chance to romance him, what we don't have is a LI that begins straight in the other side of the board.

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Young teenage girls love androgynous or pretty guys in general. That would explain guys like Justin Bieber, Harry Style, Edward Cullen, etc. These girls are annoying and are usually attracted to what the media tells them to attract to. They are also pretty nasty to those who dare to question them. There was a rumor about Randy Marsh made a comment about Harry Style, and they made a bunch of racist remarks and calling her Asian boyfriend ugly all over twitter.


There are also guys who like androgynous or pretty guys. I get that this forum has coalesced a particular fandom with some specific tastes, but remember that dudes who like dudes have varying tastes.
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Ninjamances were da ****, man. Companions are omniscient now. Hmpf.


Heh. Good man.

What is wrong with the Qunari, though? They're majestic!

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Yeah but she looks like a human with horns. Who is allergic to clothing. I liked the design of the Qunari in DA2 where they were obviously not just humans with gray skin and horns, they had different facial features. The problem with her and DAI Qunari is that they look almost exactly like humans, facial structure wise. No more pure pupil eyes or slightly pointed teeth, etc.


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I'm curious about that, why it was a nightmare for Dorian and Krem but Mae is a high ranked magister when she actually is a he? The rest of the magisters ignore that?
 

 

Mae is a woman.

 

To answer your question: an understanding father, a lot of wealth, marrying a Tethras (giving her all sort of connections to the lyrium trade), very powerful magical ability and the other magisters underestimating her (her dad wasn't the best at playing the Teveinter version of The Game and the other magisters assumed Mae would be the same. They were very, very wrong).

 

On topic:

 

I've mentioned it before but what I want in an LI is an Alistair type (NOT a Cullen type) as an f/f romance.  I'd also quite like an elfy-elf (like Merrill) that I could romance as a female elf.  And an f!Qunari KISA lesbian.


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Yeah but she looks like a human with horns. Who is allergic to clothing. I liked the design of the Qunari in DA2 where they were obviously not just humans with gray skin and horns, they had different facial features. The problem with her and DAI Qunari is that they look almost exactly like humans, facial structure wise. No more pure pupil eyes or slightly pointed teeth, etc.

Indeed.

 

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Indeed.

 

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They kind of have a mesoamerican vibe to them, IMO. It's nice to have fantasy races which are not just Caucasian people with different colored skin or pointy ears.


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Indeed.

 

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I am so, horny, right now.

lets add some sten into the mix!

 

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tho wasnt sten the first qunari we see in the dragon age universe and he is quite humanized

so is sten an exception or are there different kinds of qunari

BUT, qunari dudes are usually pictured as more monsterish, in the comics and in concept art


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I am so, horny, right now.

lets add some sten into the mix!

Spoiler

tho wasnt sten the first qunari we see in the dragon age universe and he is quite humanized

so is sten an exception or are there different kinds of qunari

BUT, qunari dudes are usually pictured as more monsterish, in the comics and in concept art

Really lovely! <3

 
 


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if u can play a qunari in DA4 they BETTER have an option for dark scleras and long, beautiful, white mane.


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if u can play a qunari in DA4 they BETTER have an option for dark scleras and long, beautiful, white mane.

How angry I was that absolutely could not have long hair to qunari! (I know, I was not alone...)


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That is what I want. Something like maybe Garrus and Tali were already in a relationship by the end of ME1, and in ME2, you are either playing the third wheel or they remain in a relationship. It's weird how they all attract to the PC and only get with each other after the PC has already been taken.

I kinda hope for some more villain LIs though, even if we have to kill them in the end, tragic romance, maybe sharing one last kiss as they die. It's not like Bioware doesn't make romances that end badly, so maybe they could try to use that bad romance for villains where we know that it may end badly instead on one of the good guys then hit it on your face suddenly when the LIs die or cheat on you.

I don't necessarily mind companions romancing each other, but usually when they do, I tend not to bother trying to romance them at all, since it feels like getting in the middle of a canon pairing... So I prefer when they handle it like Aveline, where she had her own romance subplot, but wasn't an LI, even though you could try and flirt with her, etc.

But I agree about more villian LI options. Making Solas an LI was totally a right move, IMO. Popular antagonists always seem to develop their own fanbase anyway, and it's not a bad way to capitalize on that.

I have a theory why villians always seem to attract so many fangirls...besides the obvious bad boy appeal. In a lot of classic fairy tales and stories, the princess/damsel/female love interest is often being protected or guarded by someone or something. Sometimes an overbearing father (Loghain & Anora), evil step sisters or brothers, or sometimes a monster...like a dragon...or an evil witch/old hag or grandmother (think Flemeth)...which the hero/prince charming (who is often some kind of outsider or underdog) has to overcome, in order to win her over or win the kingdom. So from her perspective, the antagonist coming to upset the status quo and snatch her away is actually often the good guy, coming to rescue her.
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tho wasnt sten the first qunari we see in the dragon age universe and he is quite humanized

so is sten an exception or are there different kinds of qunari

BUT, qunari dudes are usually pictured as more monsterish, in the comics and in concept art

 

Sten (and a few of the random qunari NPCs/enemies) in DA: O/DA: A were definitely more human-like, but I remember the devs saying that they wanted them to be less human-like but restrictions with the engine made them compromise.

 

So in the developer's heads, the design we originally saw was not how they wanted it.  But we didn't know that at first.  Then DA2 came around they created the models to actually look how they were originally intended, but they needed to explain why they looked so different than what we saw before.  So they created the idea that there are two different forms for the qunari - the horned type and the rare unhorned type (who are viewed, culturally, as "special"). 

 

Then DA: I came around and they allowed us to create qunari PCs for the first time.  So that required the qunari to undergo another redesign that was somewhere in the middle.  So they have features that are kind of a mixture of the two forms.  And that's where we are today.


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Ninjamances were da ****, man. Companions are omniscient now. Hmpf.


Heh. Good man.

What is wrong with the Qunari, though? They're majestic!

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I'm not into tall woman lol, especially ones with horns XD. And then there's the whole extreme communist thing. Nahhhh.
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