Yes, we are not fishes or lizards, so let's not try to analyze gender from a fish/lizard point of view.
We can do so from a human perspective though.
But this is not the thread for it, I don't think anyway.
When it comes to many topics, the media and politicians use our cultural, class, religious, gender, and (now) sexual differences to create division. Although I am a heterosexual-white male, the main problem I have is from pandering. I personally don't care about our individual differences. ....and that is why I am ticked at BioWare. After finally getting hit with negative press, during the "Dragon Age II" debacle, BioWare came out and said, "people are just being homophobic." Instead of acknowledging the game's overall issues, BioWare had intentionally tried to pit fans against fans. "Dragon Age: Origins" already allowed people to play as a lesbian; thus, people didn't have a problem with the inclusion of gay characters. What got everyone ticked was the 'pandering'.
Hollywood and Disney are also pandering. Instead of selling people on a strong story, the new selling point is "we have gays, girls, and blacks". Who cares. If they just focus on giving us a strong story, people would just naturally accept the diverse nature of humanity.
I don't watch "Star Trek" to see a white guy, black guy, gay guy, etc... I watch "Star Trek" because it: (1) contains a strong story, (2) speaks to the human spirit, (3) brings people together, (4) challenges our perspective, and (5) gets us to believe in something greater.
So if a story tries to appeal to people besides you, heterosexual white male, it's "pandering"?
If it's meant to appeal to straight white guys, it's a universally great story that "speaks to the human spirit," because everyone should be able to relate to stories by, for, and filled with straight white men? But if it includes women or blacks or gays, then it's a story that can only appeal to women or blacks or gays, and no one else? Stories about straight white men are about all of humanity and appeal to everyone, but stories about women and minorities speak only to those women and minorities?
I'm sorry, but do you have any idea how arrogant and hypocritical that sounds?
Did it ever occur to you, "hetereosexual-white man," that women (half the population) and non-white people (a decent percent of the population) might also have trouble identifying with stories for straight white men and not them or their experiences? And that Hollywood and the video game industry already "panders" to straight white men since the vast majority of movies and video games in the history of forever always conscientiously appealed to your tastes, but when they broaden that to try to appeal to other people too (people sorely underrepresented and explored), suddenly "that's pandering"?
Not to mention the either/or fallacy that movies and video games can EITHER tell a "strong story" OR include women/blacks/gays. Like, according to you it's not possible to tell a great story AND have characters and situations that appeal to people of different genders, ethnicities, and sexual orientations.
Not "a fish's or a lizard's" point of view, a biological point of view, that humans have developed a demi-moral code has nothing to do with biology.
I'm not arguing with this further since there's no reason, but human's biology is the reason why we have developed such codes, big brains and all that.
So saying biology has nothing to do with it is false, don't you think?
So I'm finally reading Magekiller and am already predicting that if the main characters, Marius and Tessa, are in DA4, Marius at least will be a LI. And if he's going to be a bisexual LI, he's going to stick to Bioware's trope of bisexual guys who are more into women and have a canonical female LI in their past. He and Calpernia have a romantic history. If he's a LI and if Calpernia is alive and a significant role in the next game, it's going to grind my gears if part of his character arc is dealing with his past with her.
So I'm going to hope he's a straight LI if he is indeed a romanceable companion.
Tessa, on the other hand, has been shown to be attracted to women. And she looks to be a rogue, so she might again be a Bioware trope of roguish charming bisexual companion.
So if a story tries to appeal to people besides you, heterosexual white male, it's "pandering"?
If it's meant to appeal to straight white guys, it's a universally great story that "speaks to the human spirit," because everyone should be able to relate to stories by, for, and filled with straight white men? But if it includes women or blacks or gays, then it's a story that can only appeal to women or blacks or gays, and no one else? Stories about straight white men are about all of humanity and appeal to everyone, but stories about women and minorities speak only to those women and minorities?
I'm sorry, but do you have any idea how arrogant and hypocritical that sounds?
Did it ever occur to you, "hetereosexual-white man," that women (half the population) and non-white people (a decent percent of the population) might also have trouble identifying with stories for straight white men and not them or their experiences? And that Hollywood and the video game industry already "panders" to straight white men since the vast majority of movies and video games in the history of forever always conscientiously appealed to your tastes, but when they broaden that to try to appeal to other people too (people sorely underrepresented and explored), suddenly "that's pandering"?
Not to mention the either/or fallacy that movies and video games can EITHER tell a "strong story" OR include women/blacks/gays. Like, according to you it's not possible to tell a great story AND have characters and situations that appeal to people of different genders, ethnicities, and sexual orientations.
When people say that they don't watch a particular show or series that contain a particular demographic, they ignore the fact that most other show and series have already contained their demographic. It's about putting yourself in the other person's shoes. Like, if you have a bunch of cookies at home, there is no need for them to buy another cookie while passing through the store while if someone doesn't have any cookie, they may feel the need to go to the store for some cookies.
So if a story tries to appeal to people besides you, heterosexual white male, it's "pandering"?
If it's meant to appeal to straight white guys, it's a universally great story that "speaks to the human spirit," because everyone should be able to relate to stories by, for, and filled with straight white men? But if it includes women or blacks or gays, then it's a story that can only appeal to women or blacks or gays, and no one else? Stories about straight white men are about all of humanity and appeal to everyone, but stories about women and minorities speak only to those women and minorities?
I'm sorry, but do you have any idea how arrogant and hypocritical that sounds?
Did it ever occur to you, "hetereosexual-white man," that women (half the population) and non-white people (a decent percent of the population) might also have trouble identifying with stories for straight white men and not them or their experiences? And that Hollywood and the video game industry already "panders" to straight white men since the vast majority of movies and video games in the history of forever always conscientiously appealed to your tastes, but when they broaden that to try to appeal to other people too (people sorely underrepresented and explored), suddenly "that's pandering"?
Not to mention the either/or fallacy that movies and video games can EITHER tell a "strong story" OR include women/blacks/gays. Like, according to you it's not possible to tell a great story AND have characters and situations that appeal to people of different genders, ethnicities, and sexual orientations.
Thank you. I can't like more than once so I'm quoting instead.
So I'm finally reading Magekiller and am already predicting that if the main characters, Marius and Tessa, are in DA4, Marius at least will be a LI. And if he's going to be a bisexual LI, he's going to stick to Bioware's trope of bisexual guys who are more into women and have a canonical female LI in their past. He and Calpernia have a romantic history. If he's a LI and if Calpernia is alive and a significant role in the next game, it's going to grind my gears if part of his character arc is dealing with his past with her.
So I'm going to hope he's a straight LI if he is indeed a romanceable companion.
Tessa, on the other hand, has been shown to be attracted to women. And she looks to be a rogue, so she might again be a Bioware trope of roguish charming bisexual companion.
Although I respect that they have psychological issues, due to a conflict between the mind and body, the reality is that transgender-females are still male. Transgender-males are still females. Regardless about how many drugs they take, while also the surgery they undergo, the reality is that they were biologically born as a female or male. You cannot change your DNA. Transgenders, psychologically, believe they identity with the opposite gender. According to what I have read in psychology journals, the vast majority of transgender teens snap out of it by adulthood. We should be patient with transgender teens and adults. Doctors also don't know the long-term affects of taking hormones; thus, transgenders could be causing themselves biological and psychological damage. We currently lack enough research.
And none of that changes the fact that Mae is a woman.
I'm done with this argument.
Mae is a woman, Krem is a man. End of debate. We can all go home.
I'm not into tall woman lol, especially ones with horns XD. And then there's the whole extreme communist thing. Nahhhh.
.
Mae is a woman, Krem is a man. End of debate. We can all go home.
I'm tired of Tessa's monologues, I hope just one of them makes it into DA4 cast.
Yeah her monologues seem to be there just to fill up space. Why doe she need to sum up the previous comic in a five comic series? How many people who have not played any of the games going to buy this comic, and if they start on issue 2 or 3, should they really expect a recap of everything that's happened so far?
So remember boys and girls, when something's not made specifically for white straight men, it's called pandering.
FFS, BSN...
And when you actually present a logical argument, its buried beneath: No, but that's not how the modern western world views it blanket statements.
FFS BSN.
I'm sorry, but do you have any idea how arrogant and hypocritical that sounds?
Instead of reading the whole post, you made two of my sentences into one. As I said in that very post, I fully accept the diverse nature of our species. As long as BioWare writes a good story, I could careless about an NPC's gender, ethnicity, religion, etc.. "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" was a fantastic story about a man overcoming the odds. Sisko faced his wife's death, fought with destiny, and sacrificed himself for the greater good. Fantastic story.
If you go back and read my statement, I am referring to how things are advertised.
You are just trying to make me ashamed of saying, 'heterosexual-white male'. You are being a bigot.
Yeah her monologues seem to be there just to fill up space. Why doe she need to sum up the previous comic in a five comic series? How many people who have not played any of the games going to buy this comic, and if they start on issue 2 or 3, should they really expect a recap of everything that's happened so far?
It will be just five comics? I thought it would have a treatment like the brat-man series, different names but still the same arch, though, as far as I know this one has been even more unpopular than the last one.
The initial Magekiller series is just five, but I'd imagine it will be like the previous comic series in that it's three separate series in an overarching story.
Instead of reading the whole post, you made two of my sentences into one. As I said in that very post, I fully accept the diverse nature of our species. As long as BioWare writes a good story, I could careless about an NPC's gender, ethnicity, religion, etc.. "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" was a fantastic story about a man overcoming the odds. Sisko faced his wife's death, fought with destiny, and sacrificed himself for the greater good. Fantastic story.
If you go back and read my statement, I am referring to how things are advertised.
You are just trying to make me ashamed of saying, 'heterosexual-white male'. You're a bigot.
You may accept the diverse nature of the world, but you're still assuming 'heterosexual, white, cis, male' is the default and anything other 'pandering'. People like to see themselves in fiction. That's actually what drew me to BW games in the first place - 'you can be a woman and also have a choice of one lady and two men in your romance'.
You may accept the diverse nature of the world, but you're still assuming 'heterosexual, white, cis, male' is the default and anything other 'pandering'. People like to see themselves in fiction. That's actually what drew me to BW games in the first place - 'you can be a woman and also have a choice of one lady and two men in your romance'.
Again, another person trying to shame me for saying 'heterosexual-white male'. I am not ashamed. I standby my words.
Go back and read my complete post.
You cannot silence my belief system.
I will stand against your misguided social justice garbage.
The initial Magekiller series is just five, but I'd imagine it will be like the previous comic series in that it's three separate series in an overarching story.
I am not sure if some of you are trolling.
I standby my statements.
I am not ashamed to be a 'heterosexual-white male'.
Honestly, I came to realize after reading their nonsense again and again that most of those guys are just hypocritical.
Me too!
I standby what I said:
When it comes to many topics, the media and politicians use our cultural, class, religious, gender, and (now) sexual differences to create division. Although I am a heterosexual-white male, the main problem I have is from pandering. I personally don't care about our individual differences. ....and that is why I am ticked at BioWare. After finally getting hit with negative press, during the "Dragon Age II" debacle, BioWare came out and said, "people are just being homophobic." Instead of acknowledging the game's overall issues, BioWare had intentionally tried to pit fans against fans. "Dragon Age: Origins" already allowed people to play as a lesbian; thus, people didn't have a problem with the inclusion of gay characters. What got everyone ticked was the 'pandering'.
Hollywood and Disney are also pandering. Instead of selling people on a strong story, the new selling point is "we have gays, girls, and blacks". Who cares. If they just focus on giving us a strong story, people would just naturally accept the diverse nature of humanity.
I don't watch "Star Trek" to see a white guy, black guy, gay guy, etc... I watch "Star Trek" because it: (1) contains a strong story, (2) speaks to the human spirit, (3) brings people together, (4) challenges our perspective, and (5) gets us to believe in something greater.
If some of you had a brain cell, you would have known that I was talking about advertising.
I own a wide diversity of movies and tv-shows, which contain: female leads, black leads, and gay leads. I am in full support of diversity.
You guys are just angry because I used the phrase 'heterosexual-white male'. You are discriminating and being hypocritical.
...and one of you is being a racist.
I remember when some white guys want to boycott Star Wars because they think it's pandering and no longer cater to them. As I said before, people don't see the need to see more white males because almost every form of media has white people in it. The media is still definitely trying to pander to them. In movies and TV shows, characters, especially Asian males, often get their race changes to white, the lead roles in movie scripts will often say "Caucasian" specifically. People have already catered to straight white males already. Why is it so out of place that it becomes pandering when you start to see more diverse characters in it? Because for the first time, they DON'T pander to straight white males.
This is exactly what i believe. Their arguments make no sense.
Honestly, I never cared about who is what, I don't care about the casting. It never was something I cared about to be honest. I don't ask and never asked anything. But I never liked hypocrisy though.
If you are going to call out pandering of minorities, then I'm sure you also are against pandering for straight white cis men, yes?
Then I can understand where you are coming from. Obvious pandering to any group can take away from the experience of enjoying media.
Even so, I don't think at any point, Disney or BW has been faulty of this???
I standby what I said:
If some of you had a brain cell, you would have known that I was talking about advertising.
I own a wide diversity of movies and tv-shows, which contain: female leads, black leads, and gay leads. I am in full support of diversity.
If Disney had three brain cells in their marketing division they would realize that two of the greatest american actors of all time including James Earl Jones, and Billy D frigging Williams were involved with the original Star Wars trilogy, thus making the whole inclusion of black folks sort of like issue that never needed addressing anyway. Hell even the prequels had Samuel Jackson(Not a fan of that actor or his work but that's me) Starwars has in the decades it has been around already included multiple ethnicities of our human race into it, from one end of the globe to the other you will find spectrums of skin tone and pigmentation featured across it, heck one of the Grand Admirals from the EU was actually modeled off a korean writer they had for a magazine at the time(according to fan theory).
Warder may not like where Starwars is at the moment in terms of narrative, plot direction and etc, but he does fondly recall the EU and thus has a large breadth of knowledge of it and its characters.
...I miss Mara Jade.
I understand what you're saying. Pandering is when something is just thrown in superficially as a marketing ploy, but then not actually given any real depth or substance. Hence not a good story. I think we've all seen examples of this, when female or other characters are included in the background, but not ever given any real character development or leading roles, etc. It's not a good representation and not fair to the demographic being portrayed. Like when writers think throwing in a female love interest covers interest for the female demographic, but then she's either a shallow character, not given much to do, or is just there to be the hot chick.Instead of reading the whole post, you made two of my sentences into one. As I said in that very post, I fully accept the diverse nature of our species. As long as BioWare writes a good story, I could careless about an NPC's gender, ethnicity, religion, etc.. "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" was a fantastic story about a man overcoming the odds. Sisko faced his wife's death, fought with destiny, and sacrificed himself for the greater good. Fantastic story.
If you go back and read my statement, I am referring to how things are advertised.
You are just trying to make me ashamed of saying, 'heterosexual-white male'. You are being a bigot.
Ce sujet est fermé
Retour en haut
