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[Jedi Comedian]

Wouldn't mind to have both magekillers as bi LIs.

[Battlebloodmage]

Yeah at his point I'm not too keen on either of them being companions. Marius is very stoic and brooding and seems like a human version of Fenris, except with no hatred of mages as much as a pragmatic view of magic. Tessa is a business oriented, slightly more mature Isabela. IMO of course, but neither is revolutionary for prospective companions in the next game.

Yeah, all of their archetypes have been done before. Still, what I really want is a gay prince. I always love the prince charming archetype, especially prince Kaidan from Cinderella, maybe a violent and rebel prince. Outside of that, I think someone like Cullen is highly requested for gay romance, so I hope they consider it, too. Yeah, I do hope if there's a bisexual male, he would be more into guys. Marius has a history with women, so it would be hard to have been be more interested in guys. I don't know much about lesbians, but outside of masculine lesbians, i wonder if there's any other requests for the archetype. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

To be precise, slogan "heterosexual white male" should be changed into "heterosexual english speaking male" . The Witcher is probably the first (or second, if you count Lem's sci-fi books) popculture hit with polish perspective. 

 

By that logic, I am a heterosexual English speaking male because I speak English and Tamil most of the time.

 

Seriously, Westerners should just drop the whole White, Black, Brown nonsense and refer to people by their national and ethnic background, like we Easterners do. I mean, to us, Vietnamese are Vietnamese, Japanese are Japanese, Chinese are Chinese, Indians are Indians, Sri Lankans are Sri Lankans, etc. Even among the Chinese for example, we have Cantonese, Hakka, Taoist, etc and among Indians we have Tamils, Telugus, Malayalis and among Malays we have Bugis, Javanese, Minangkabau, etc.

 

Sure, its a lot of categories but it adds nuance, it gives people identities and cultures they can be proud of.

 

FFS, drop the White nonsense and start calling yourselves, at least by nationality and/or ethnicity. Its a start to a more nuanced Western people who can appreciate their identity and culture instead of all being grouped into one large collective of White.

[Heimdall]

There's a reason why it only happens in the comic books instead of blockbuster movies. It's much less of a risk to experiment with it while blockbuster movies need white males to lead since they can't just redo if it fails. At most, it's an assemble team where one character gets their race changes or a side character gets their race changes. When the race got changed, it's usually White to Black. Asians in particular are usually stuck with kung-fu or some funny weird comic relief characters.

Anyway, I still haven't seen any inclusion of characters actually excluding white males on purpose unlike the other way around. This has really gone way off topic. I'll just stop here.

I'll only add that there's an additional component of risk involved from the producers' standpoint that actually springs from the social justice side of things: nobody cares how you do a white male protagonist.

The moment a character is anything but white, that character is put under a microscope on all sides of the fence. The people I've been describing pick them apart for signs of the social justice agenda. The other side picks them apart to decide whether this is a "proper" representation of a particular race/gender/orientation/etc.

By contrast, white male characters have much less baggage.

That's it, I'll stop too.

[Artona]

 

 

By that logic, I am a heterosexual English speaking male because I speak English and Tamil most of the time.

I meant people from countries like UK and US, but I'm not going to argue over terms. 

[Sylvianus]

It's all down to perception since people often draw their perception from what they experience from the world, and those who lacks the perspection of a minority may not see why it's a big deal and dismiss it instead of understanding why they want to see characters like themselves in films. I have many friends who were dismissing racism even exist many times. I try to put myself in the other group's shoes and I can see some of their thought process but a lot of others just use their own perception to judge things without really see it from the other people's point of view. 

 

I understand. That happened to me too. My girlfriend is white and comes from the north of France, where black folks are hardly seen. She disliked when i said joking that I would feel umconfortable living in a place where 99,99 % of people were white, with only me as a black guy. She kept asking me " why "  in a serious tone, " I don't see why you would feel uncomfortable ", " you have no reasons to think that way  " Actually i wasn't serious and it wouldn't really bother me as long as i am certain i am not in a racist place, because i can't stand racism. However, I tried to give the point of a man of color who could feel that way. She absolutely dismissed the racism card, as if it hardly exist.   I was absolutely shocked !   I was like " is she aware that she is dating a black guy, how could she be that insensitive ? "  

 

I tried to explain to her, but damn, that was hard. She obviously didn't understand me since she never suffered racism, doesn't live with bad stereostype, etc  ( i didn't either but other black folks have suffered this ). She started to get on my nerves, It pissed me off that she was so unable to understand me, that she didn't even try. I remained calm, but man I was disappointed...  Not because we were having a disagreement, but because she refused to put herself into my shoes...  

 

 I almost made a mistake, I almost said " if I was with a black woman, she would understand what I meant " , as a joke as well.

 

Thanks god, i succeeded to keep that for myself and to change the topic for something more light. I know it would have hurt her while it was more frustration that would talk than anything else.

 

This is the only disagreement we had and we never brought up the topic again, both very aware that this topic could be dangerous. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

These perceptions mostly arise from a political pressure to include not-white-men that sometimes results in the impression that a leading white man is being construed as a bad thing to be avoided and that no truly "progressive" film can ever star a white man. It's the impression that characters are being valued according to their socially perceived victim status rather than the quality of the character. And of course there's the emphasis on the character's non-white-male race/gender as a selling point in advertisement that promotes this impression.

There's an argument to be made that the emphasis placed on the race/gender of the character in the work and/or marketing is actually counterproductive to the supposed ultimate goal of normalizing their inclusion, as it turns them into an "other", set apart from the norm. This is what can make pandering a problem.

 

I find the Western obsession with ticking checkboxes and having tokens as something that is rather ridiculous. You have someone in the movie or a game or a comic because it makes sense for them to be there, not because of a diversity quota.

 

I mean, its not as if diversity improves the movie or the game or the comic. Indian movies, Chinese movies, Japanaese movies, Japanese games, Japanese comics are all great despite not caring about diversity quotas. All of you who complain about diversity in Western movies, Western comics, Western games lap up Japanese games, Korean drama serials, Bollywood movies and dances no problem.

 

Its a lot like saying - Hey, let's have a racially diverse football team or basketball team or 4x100m relay team. Screw the quality of the athlete, we must bend to political pressure. That's just ridiculous. You have people on your team because they have to be there and because they are good/qualified to be there, not because of diversity quotas.

[Battlebloodmage]

I understand. That happened to me too. My girlfriend is white and comes from the north of France, where black folks are hardly seen. She disliked when i said joking that I would feel umconfortable living in a place where 99,99 % of people were white, with only me as a black guy. She kept asking me " why "  in a serious tone, " I don't see why you would feel uncomfortable ", " you have no reasons to think that way  " Actually i wasn't serious and it wouldn't really bother me as long as i am certain i am not in a racist place, because i can't stand racism. However, I tried to give the point of a man of color who could feel that way. She absolutely dismissed the racism card, as if it hardly exist.   I was absolutely shocked !   I was like " is she aware that she is dating a black guy, how could she be that insensitive ? "  

 

I tried to explain to her, but damn, that was hard. She obviously didn't understand me since she never suffered racism, doesn't live with bad stereostype, etc  ( i didn't either but other black folks have suffered this ). She started to get on my nerves, It pissed me off that she was so unable to understand me, that she didn't even try. I remained calm, but man I was disappointed...  Not because we were having a disagreement, but because she refused to put herself into my shoes...  

 

 I almost made a mistake, I almost said " if I was with a black woman, she would understand what I meant " , as a joke as well.

 

Thanks god, i succeeded to keep that for myself and to change the topic for something more light. I know it would have hurt her while it was more frustration that would talk than anything else.

 

This is the only disagreement we had and we never brought up the topic again, both very aware that this topic could be dangerous. 

It does seem like an issue in affecting the U.S. more than anything. I did get a cultural shock when dating a French guy, and he was surprised at the talk about racism simply because it wasn't as big a deal over there. When talking about these things, I just use my experience as someone from 'Murica, so how the rest of the world perceives racism may be very different, especially among those who don't have the first hand experience, those who live in a homogeneous country, or those who experience it first handed. Experience can have a big role in how people perceive these issues in general. Those who live in a homogeneous wouldn't understand the reason for diversity and cultural implication and stereotypes that affecting those that live under a mixed country where our values could be judged based on how others perceive us. I live in both a a homogeneous country and a mixed country, so I get to see perspective from both sides. 

 

Ok, I'll stop now. i just bring it up since we have similar experience.

[Battlebloodmage]

Wouldn't mind to have both magekillers as bi LIs.

Would be interesting if they're the poly option. Maybe going through with what Bioware said about wanting to add a poly option where you join in with a pre-existing relationship.

[vbibbi]

I understand. That happened to me too. My girlfriend is white and comes from the north of France, where black folks are hardly seen. She disliked when i said joking that I would feel umconfortable living in a place where 99,99 % of people were white, with only me as a black guy. She kept asking me " why "  in a serious tone, " I don't see why you would feel uncomfortable ", " you have no reasons to think that way  " Actually i wasn't serious and it wouldn't really bother me as long as i am certain i am not in a racist place, because i can't stand racism. However, I tried to give the point of a man of color who could feel that way. She absolutely dismissed the racism card, as if it hardly exist.   I was absolutely shocked !   I was like " is she aware that she is dating a black guy, how could she be that insensitive ? "  
 
I tried to explain to her, but damn, that was hard. She obviously didn't understand me since she never suffered racism, doesn't live with bad stereostype, etc  ( i didn't either but other black folks have suffered this ). She started to get on my nerves, It pissed me off that she was so unable to understand me, that she didn't even try. I remained calm, but man I was disappointed...  Not because we were having a disagreement, but because she refused to put herself into my shoes...  
 
 I almost made a mistake, I almost said " if I was with a black woman, she would understand what I meant " , as a joke as well.
 
Thanks god, i succeeded to keep that for myself and to change the topic for something more light. I know it would have hurt her while it was more frustration that would talk than anything else.
 
This is the only disagreement we had and we never brought up the topic again, both very aware that this topic could be dangerous.

That is frustrating that she didn't even try to understand where you're coming from. No country is free of racial conflicts, though, so it's surprising that someone who has access to the Internet and mass media couldn't try to see things from a different perspective. I am not well versed in French politics or culture, but isn't there sometimes tension between French people and North African immigrants?

Maybe if you gave her a context that she might be more familiar with, she would have a better sense of what you meant?

[Illyria]

Mae is sexually a man in the same way Krem is sexually a female. The fact that Mae feels that he is a woman (and chooses to identify as such) and Krem feels that she is a man (and chooses to identify as such) does not change that.

 

Its like saying that a human who considers himself or herself is Otherkin is Otherkin. Yes they can do that but they are still biologically a human, despite the fact they might feel that they are Elvenkin or Dragonkin or Lionkin or Foxkin. Heck, I can feel that I am attack helicopter kin and demand everybody to address me by my helicopter name, which is no biggie, but it does not change the fact that I am biologically human.

 

Okay but...

 

Mae is a woman.

 

And Krem is a man.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I'm not trying to shame you. Be proud of who you are!

 

But...

 

Here's the thing.

 

White, straight and male are the default.  You say 'I don't watch "Star Trek" to see a white guy, black guy, gay guy, etc... I watch "Star Trek" because it: (1) contains a strong story, (2) speaks to the human spirit, (3) brings people together, (4) challenges our perspective, and (5) gets us to believe in something greater.' and that's fine.  But other people are not white, straight, male or cis.  When people who aren't these things look at media they see, once again, they're not being included. 

 

You can't be the hero if you're gay, or a woman, or trans, or black - that's what people see.  They see endless numbers of White Guys Named Chris save the Marvel universe, while Black Widow is yet to get a solo film, and has been excluded from her own merchandise.  That tells girls 'you are not the hero'. 

 

When girls see Rey in Star Wars they see someone like them!  The same with Finn and Poe, neither of whom are white men (and there's a strong argument that Poe isn't straight, too). 

 

When I see BW games telling me I can be a woman, and be the hero that is a huge, huge thing for someone who grew up in the 90's and early 00's.

 

This isn't about making you feel ashamed.  This is about making others feel included.

 

They are the default in the same way a Chinese is the default in a Chinese movie, a Japanese is the default in a Japanese movie, and an Indian is the default in an Indian movie:- Because's that where films are made. Western films are made in the West, which has a majority of what you call "white people", that's why the protagonist is typically that.

 

You might say :- But Western nations have other races and ethnicity living in it. They should be represented.

 

To which I will reply :- & Asian nations, African nations and Middle Eastern nations don't have people of different ethnicity and people of different races living in them ?

 

I am from Malaysia - We have Malays, Indians, Chinese, Aboriginals and foreigners. The same goes for Singapore. India and China have very diverse ethnic groups. So do the Japanese. However, no one makes a big fuss about the skin color or the race of the actor - We just care if the movie is good or not. Indians don't care if Donnie Yen or Bruce Lee are not Indians, they watch their movies because they are good.

 

Nobody watches a film thinking someone else from another race can't be heroes or villains, that's what "critics" do to stay relevant and generate click-bait.  Its absurdly silly to assume that an Indian guy who watches a movie where an Indian man is kicking ass thinking:- "Yeah, you know what, Africans cannot be ass kicking heroes." It is equally silly to assume that someone reading a Japanese comic to be thinking:- "Yep, Malays suck and cannot be protagonists." The average movie goer goes to a movie to watch it and have a good time. According to your twisted logic, that means non-Westerners cannot enjoy a movie like Transformers or Harry Potter. Yet they break box office records abroad.

 

Do you think someone from the East looks at Batman and goes - "Eww, he's a straight white male ! His existence means my race and ethnicity cannot be heroic !" Do you think someone looks at One Piece and go - "Yuck, its full of them Japs ! This means Africans can't be part of animation !" Maybe if you are an SJW, yes. But if you are normal, you won't.

 

I am astounded by the amount of self-hatred ? self-flagellation ? self-apology ? self-punishment ? at display in this thread.

 

Fyi, you are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors because you don't choose where and when you are born. Almost everyone in the world had waged wars and engaged in slavery as well as oppression of what they did not understand such as homosexuality - You folks are not the special snowflakes here.

 

So stop with the Original Sin style self-atonement attempts by saying white people can't be this, straight male can't be that, etc. No other group in the world right now engages in this level of self hatred of their skin color or their culture or their values or their presence in their own movies, games and comics.

 

If we are going to play the Oppression Olympics, should we hate Mongolians who what Genghis Khan and his army did and demand self apology from them ? Shouldn't we be taking a dump on Japanese who went to a malevolent rampage across Asia during World War 2 and demand them to self flagellate themselves ? So where's the outrage here ? Where's the moral crusade against the Japanese creative industry for their crimes in World War 2 and pre-World War 2 ? Where's the self righteous indignation directed at the Mongolians who going across Asia and Eastern Europe, pillaging, killing and raping everyone ?

 

Seriously, its perfectly okay for white men and white women, straight or homosexuals or bisexuals, to star as protagonists in films, in comics and in games that are made in the region where they are the majority.
 

[Reznore57]

It does seem like an issue in affecting the U.S. more than anything. I did get a cultural shock when dating a French guy, and he was surprised at the talk about racism simply because it wasn't as big a deal over there. When talking about these things, I just use my experience as someone from 'Murica, so how the rest of the world perceives racism may be very different, especially among those who don't have the first hand experience, those who live in a homogeneous country, or those who experience it first handed. Experience can have a big role in how people perceive these issues in general. Those who live in a homogeneous wouldn't understand the reason for diversity and cultural implication and stereotypes that affecting those that live under a mixed country where our values could be judged based on how others perceive us. I live in both a a homogeneous country and a mixed country, so I get to see perspective from both sides. 

 

Ok, I'll stop now. i just bring it up since we have similar experience.

 

I'm pretty sure Sylvanius is french.

Anyway we have racism in France but it's somewhat different from the US because there's some cultural/religious stuff mixed in there , so the whole thing is a huge can of worm.

If some French folk told you there wasn't any racism , well it's probably because he was living in a sheltered place .

I just think in France we don't really talk about racism as a "thing" , even the word "race " isn't used like in the US.We say the human race ...but otherwise we don't talk about race.It actually feel weird seeing people on the forum use this word casually.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I'm pretty sure Sylvanius is french.

Anyway we have racism in France but it's somewhat different from the US because there's some cultural/religious stuff mixed in there , so the whole thing is a huge can of worm.

If some French folk told you there wasn't any racism , well it's probably because he was living in a sheltered place .

I just think in France we don't really talk about racism as a "thing" , even the word "race " isn't used like in the US.We say the human race ...but otherwise we don't talk about race.It actually feel weird seeing people on the forum use this word casually.

 

That's because the past few decades have rendered words like race, racist, racism, sexist, sexism, misogyny, misogynist all but meaningless. They have become empty buzzwords to be thrown around like its a sh*t slinging oppression Olympics contest.

 

Racism is the hatred and dislike of one race. A racist is someone who practices this, usually by saying and doing cruel things to another person of another race.

 

Yet these days somehow "Whites" cannot be affected by racism, "Blacks"and "Browns" cannot be racist, it is not racist to discriminate against an Asian in higher education, when you say something factual about crime or immigration or education, its racist and when you disagree with someone who is of different color to you (if they are SJWs), prepare for the racism accusation to come your way.

 

(I use "" because the terms Whites, Blacks and Browns are too simplistic and lack nuance)

 

Sexism is the hatred and dislike of one sex. A sexist is someone who practices this, usually by saying and doing cruel things to another person of another sex.

 

Yet these days somehow men cannot be victims of sexism, women are not capable of being sexist and if you disagree with a woman or say something critical to her (especially if she is an SJW), prepare for the "muh soggy knees" accusation to come your way.

 

It is thoroughly pathetic to see words, words which are supposed to have genuine meaning and genuine context, lose all of that because, hey, labels are easier than counter arguments.
 

If this keeps going, there will come a point in the near future where someone who gets accused or labelled a racist or a sexist will just turn around and say:- "So what ? What does that even really mean anymore ?"

[Battlebloodmage]

Anyone feels like the LIs are often too young? I like that in DAI, we have older guys like Cullen and Blackwall who are a lot older than other LIs. Cullen is just more of a given since he was in all 3 games. I was against Blackwall at first, but I'm starting to see the appeal of an older LI. Most games often offer really younger guys. I wouldn't mind more older LIs to be in the game in general. 

[Catilina]

Anyone feels like the LIs are often too young? I like that in DAI, we have older guys like Cullen and Blackwall who are a lot older than other LIs. Cullen is just more of a given since he was in all 3 games. I was against Blackwall at first, but I'm starting to see the appeal of an older LI. Most games often offer really younger guys. I wouldn't mind more older LIs to be in the game in general. 

Are you sure, for example Zevran very young? The frivolous that does not mean it. And Isabela... just look on her in DAO

[Battlebloodmage]

Are you sure you for example Zevran very young? The frivolous that does not mean it. And Isabela... just look on her in DAO

I guess just in appearance in general. Zevran is very smooth and look young while Alistair is in his early 20s'. Maybe i want characters with more beard in general, stubbles are cool, but I have a thing for a full beard.

 

It'd be cool if we have more beardy guys like Blackwall, I guess, but a stubble like Cullen are fine, too. In a lot of the games I play, most of the guys you can date are pretty smooth. Probably why the guys I like in Fallout 4 I like both have pretty long facial hair like Danse and MacCready. 

 

Anyway, I like some kinds of archetype of mentor type like Duncan. It seems like the ones we could get into a relationship are usually our subordinate or someone outside your army, but never someone above your station. 

[Heimdall]

Anyone feels like the LIs are often too young? I like that in DAI, we have older guys like Cullen and Blackwall who are a lot older than other LIs. Cullen is just more of a given since he was in all 3 games. I was against Blackwall at first, but I'm starting to see the appeal of an older LI. Most games often offer really younger guys. I wouldn't mind more older LIs to be in the game in general. 

Characters like Leliana, Zevran, and Isabella all look young, but by their descriptions of their histories they sound like they should be older and more experienced.  I'm never sure how to place their age.

[SnakeCode]

So remember boys and girls, when something's not made specifically for white straight men, it's called pandering.

 

FFS, BSN...

 

A small point on this "pandering" debate. Even though it's now a buzzword used on BSN to simply mean "how dare this game cater to people that aren't like me!" (used equally by both "sides" I might add) it isn't totally wrong. Every videogame/film/book etc that ever existed panders to people on some level. That's the whole point of having a target audience. That's not to say that for example, Call Of Duty panders ONLY to "straight white dudebros" because it doesn't, but they want to keep that demographic because they are the ones who have bought the product in the past.So they gear their content primarily towards them.

[Battlebloodmage]

Characters like Leliana, Zevran, and Isabella all look young, but by their descriptions of their histories they sound like they should be older and more experienced.  I'm never sure how to place their age.

Video games don't often show middle age female characters that well usually. Both Lelianna, Zevran, and Isabella exist way back in DAO, so most of them would be in their late 30-40. Guys are easier to show age when you could just add a couple of stubbles and beard and some lines on their face. You can see that Cullen looks older than his DA2 counterpart, but Lelianna looks very young, and could be in her 20, but there are people who look very young, so I guess it doesn't really matter how they look. 

[Battlebloodmage]

A small point on this "pandering" debate. Even though it's now a buzzword used on BSN to simply mean "how dare this game cater to people that aren't like me!" (used equally by both "sides" I might add) it isn't totally wrong. Every videogame/film/book etc that ever existed panders to people on some level. That's the whole point of having a target audience. That's not to say that for example, Call Of Duty panders ONLY to "straight white dudebros" because it doesn't, but they want to keep that demographic because they are the ones who have bought the product in the past.So they gear their content primarily towards them.

Nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day, they're a game company after all, but it becomes self fulfilling prophecy when you make game with specific audience in mind, mostly that audience buy those games, more females and other groups would buy games if games start to making games for them as well. Still, it's really up to the developers, and whether they see those other demographics worth pursuing. 

[Catilina]

I guess just in appearance in general. Zevran is very smooth and look young while Alistair is in his early 20s'. Maybe i want characters with more beard in general, stubbles are cool, but I have a thing for a full beard.

 

It'd be cool if we have more beardy guys like Blackwall, I guess, but a stubble like Cullen are fine, too. In a lot of the games I play, most of the guys you can date are pretty smooth. Probably why the guys I like in Fallout 4 I like both have pretty long facial hair like Danse and MacCready. 

 

Anyway, I like some kinds of archetype of mentor type like Duncan. It seems like the ones we could get into a relationship are usually our subordinate or someone outside your army, but never someone above your station. 

 

With a large beard I always have the problem that hides the face. That is why I prefer short facial hair.   (Nevertheless Blackwall not bad at all)

 

Zevran don't have facial hair, but his skin is not as smooth ... I can't determine his age; anyway, he is an elf.

[Battlebloodmage]

With a large beard I always have the problem that hides the face. That is why I prefer short facial hair.   (Nevertheless Blackwall not bad at all)

 

Zevran don't have facial hair, but his skin is not as smooth ... I can't determine his age; anyway, he is an elf.

I see a beard as part of the look. Dorian would look very weird without his fake mustache (Bioware still can't do hair properly). Not all beard would hide the face like a soul patch or a goatee would give distinction to the character face. 

 

A beard like this, and you can still see the full face and make out their features.

 

[Gilli]

By that logic, I am a heterosexual English speaking male because I speak English and Tamil most of the time.

 

Seriously, Westerners should just drop the whole White, Black, Brown nonsense and refer to people by their national and ethnic background, like we Easterners do. I mean, to us, Vietnamese are Vietnamese, Japanese are Japanese, Chinese are Chinese, Indians are Indians, Sri Lankans are Sri Lankans, etc. Even among the Chinese for example, we have Cantonese, Hakka, Taoist, etc and among Indians we have Tamils, Telugus, Malayalis and among Malays we have Bugis, Javanese, Minangkabau, etc.

 

Sure, its a lot of categories but it adds nuance, it gives people identities and cultures they can be proud of.

 

FFS, drop the White nonsense and start calling yourselves, at least by nationality and/or ethnicity. Its a start to a more nuanced Western people who can appreciate their identity and culture instead of all being grouped into one large collective of White.

 

I can't talk for other countries, but here in switzerland this is a normal practice in newspapers.

I think I've never read a sentence in our local newspaper who read "a black man/woman", but what I have read is:

 

- a Tibetan

- a man with a east-european accent  <-- might be from the Ukraine or Russia

- A Swiss with nigerian roots  <-- this person might have dark skin.

 

That doesn't mean Switzerland is above rascism, but it's mostly(?) not against skincolor, but from where someone is. Some years ago I was sitting in a train with a friend from Germany and there were some teenagers shouting "Deutsche raus! Geh heim!" (Germans out! Go home!) and it made me furious.   (They can be glad I'm mostly mild-mannered and pretty calm, otherwise I'd have punched them to the moon)

That being said, I'm a real swiss-cheese (I look like default fem!Hawke, just with brown hair) with an english first name and an italian last name.

 

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Back on the relationship topic, a male!Josie romance would be nice too. I mean, no one says the romances with a male LI have to be always about sex.

Just...no Sebastian type, no Chantry guy that doesn't want sex, just a nice guy for whom that isn't that important. 

[Catilina]

I see a beard as part of the look. Dorian would look very weird without his fake mustache (Bioware still can't do hair properly). Not all beard would hide the face like a soul patch or a goatee would give distinction to the character face. 

 

A beard like this, and you can still see the full face and make out their features.

Spoiler

 

True. But tis is not a large beard

And yes, Dorian are weird whithout his shine mustache, and also Stroud...