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[Catilina]

Sorry, I don't want to stuck with just one option, and most of those options I wouldn't want to romance since I like, ME1: Kaidan, couldn't stand Ashley or Liara. ME2: Garrus, Tali. ME3: Kaidan, Tali. DAO: Morrigan, alistair. DA2: All the guys are horrible, Isabela. DAI: Cullen, Cassandra. Not everyone will have the same opinion about that one LI, and there is on one option fits all. I see a lot of people liking Cullen, but a few dislike him as well. I'm not sure what's wrong with the 6 option where everyone get at least a choice. 

I think everyone have various taste...  For example, I liked Fenris and also Anders, but both annoyed many ppl people, and also so many do not like Cullen and Alistair. Yes, we need more options.

[9TailsFox]

New comic book characters don't sell, both DC and Marvel tried to establish new characters all the time, but none of them stick, gay or straight or of any race. All the characters are pretty old already, and I haven't seen any successful character being made in recent year that become an A lister. Comic books fans only buy the same comic books by the same characters.

 

As for Supergirl, sex sells. All the superheroes are pretty and good looking, even Deadpool was played by Ryan Reynolds. 

 

Dorian is not a good example for me. It's like his character was made just to tell a gay story, like that one gay episode in a TV series you see with that one gay character and with that one gay story. Characters need to make to flow organic with the story, as part of the story, and not an existing piece inserting into a story. It feels a bit too out of place with the rest of the story for me. 

Yes I see Dorian problems and agree with you, Dorian story was similar as Josephine family/arranged marriage but it was nothing we just have duel and what's it. And Dorian arranged marriage was focus, and Dorian was portrayed like spacial snowflake focus just because he is gay, he like man and don't like women not problem at all, problem he don't want marry person his parents pick. We have war table mission with same situation. No one care what you want family first,especially if you noble. But other than what he was fine character. Ok I am bias on this, I really like funny/sarcastic characters. So Dorian is great.

[BansheeOwnage]

no thanks.

unless you are extremely confident in BW's writing that those two romances with appeal to everyone.

im not. would make replaying a bummer as well, unless there were MULTIPLE ways the romance could go.

I'm seconding a "No". Sure, there are still people (like me) who aren't satisfied with the romance options in DA:I, and there are 8 of them (although only 2 I could potentially be fully satisfied with), but that doesn't mean you should have only 2 because "people will not be satisfied anyway". That's dumb. Because way more people will be unsatisfied.

 

*waves*

 

 

Yes.  There is an interest (although I think you're referring to me in that post under 'a few others').  I remember in the old Cass thread (which I was pretty active in) there was a lot of interest in Cass from gay/bi women for this reason (in fact, until Cass was confirmed as being straight gay/bi women were the majority in the thread).
 

Yep, you were one of the people I was referring to Was it? I only came back to the forums after launch (although I never visited the Cass thread anyway) so I didn't know that. That does make me kind of sad though, because it really seems like Bioware should have made her available to women judging from who was actually interested in her. And they won't make another character like her in DA4, obviously. Oh well...

 

I'm not obsessed with Cass or anything (I like Cullen's character more for a romance) but it still seems like a shame to me. Although since I'm a masochist I did end up with this scene:

Spoiler

 

A lot of the complaints I've heard about DAI's romance for straight males is that Cassandra is the "only" option since Josie is actually bisexual.

I... what? Where is the logic there?

 

I bet that if Morrigan or Alistair are suddenly turned on gay, people would be pissed... so why you complain of people complaining for changing defined characters?

Uh, how did you get that from what people were saying? No one is suggesting Bioware all of a sudden changes the established characters' sexualities. They're talking about a hypothetical situation in development in which they could have had different sexualities than they have now. Because in development, there is no - or should be no - default sexuality.

[Gilli]

I would love to have more romances like hers. Luckily in an interview it seems there may be more romances akin to that in the future. 
 
Patrick Weekes says Solas' romance can be seen in the way you are describing, as in it can be seen as being pure romantic and not sexual.

I did Solas's romance, but while it's cute it's...idk. Beside asking him 3 times about his adventures in the Fade and talking about Corypheus you don't have much interaction with him. (beside the romance related cutscenes and asking him about other stuff)

I mean, even tho I have now exhausted all of Dorian's conversation options, I still have 3 "talk" options left.
- Can I have a kiss
- We should end this <-- I'd never chose that 

- We should spend some time together  <-- I know, that one is supposed to be the sex scene, but as I said, my Inquisitor told Dorian he wanted to take it slow, so he says other stuff and I love it   (Dorian: "Come, let's watch your soldiers hit each other with sticks, while I criticize their armor." Greed: What's wrong with the armor? Dorian: You're a little fast, aren't you? I made a list. Let me just search for it."  )

[BansheeOwnage]

I did Solas's romance, but while it's cute it's...idk. Beside asking him 3 times about his adventures in the Fade and talking about Corypheus you don't have much interaction with him. (beside the romance related cutscenes and asking him about other stuff)

I mean, even tho I have now exhausted all of Dorian's conversation options, I still have 3 "talk" options left.
- Can I have a kiss
- We should end this <-- I'd never chose that 

- We should spend some time together  <-- I know, that one is supposed to be the sex scene, but as I said, my Inquisitor told Dorian he wanted to take it slow, so he says other stuff and I love it   (Dorian: "Come, let's watch your soldiers hit each other with sticks, while I criticize their armor." Greed: What's wrong with the armor? Dorian: You're a little fast, aren't you? I made a list. Let me just search for it."  )

You had the option to just spend some time together? Not a kiss or a sex scene? Man, I wish I could have done that with Cullen (and as I've said in another post I hope they do that as standard in future games).

[Andromelek]

Uh, how did you get that from what people were saying? No one is suggesting Bioware all of a sudden changes the established characters' sexualities. They're talking about a hypothetical situation in development in which they could have had different sexualities than they have now. Because in development, there is no - or should be no - default sexuality.

They were speaking about "gay" Luke, and all the crappy changes that are going on with Marvel, they seemingly are ok with that, but I doubt they still are ok if something similar happens on DA.

[Malthier]

Not really, you're not trying that hard to see. I mean, a man fighting off a bunch of germans armed with nothing but a bagpipe, some grenades, a friggin claymore and his balls of steel, that actually happened... Google Crazy Jack Churchill.

 

But if I wrote an OC anything like that, most people would call it unrealistic, no?

 

Disclaimer: No I don't think finding four bisexuals randomly in a group for a story is on par with something as insane as finding someone as badass as Jack Churchill, lol.

 

And they'd be wrong. it's a good example with a faulty conclusion. especially since stories do that kind of thing all the time. 

[Shechinah]

I thought what they had been talking about was how Luke did not have an canonically established sexuality and so his actor thought fan interpretation was fine. I've been a bit here and there today so I may have misread the conversation.

[Illyria]

I did Solas's romance, but while it's cute it's...idk. Beside asking him 3 times about his adventures in the Fade and talking about Corypheus you don't have much interaction with him. (beside the romance related cutscenes and asking him about other stuff)

I mean, even tho I have now exhausted all of Dorian's conversation options, I still have 3 "talk" options left.
- Can I have a kiss
- We should end this <-- I'd never chose that 

- We should spend some time together  <-- I know, that one is supposed to be the sex scene, but as I said, my Inquisitor told Dorian he wanted to take it slow, so he says other stuff and I love it   (Dorian: "Come, let's watch your soldiers hit each other with sticks, while I criticize their armor." Greed: What's wrong with the armor? Dorian: You're a little fast, aren't you? I made a list. Let me just search for it."  )

 

As a Solavellan player (and a fan of Solas in general) it's a pain that there's so little content (Cullen was also last minute and he gets a repeatable kiss and also doesn't dump his girlfriend in a swamp or plan on remaking the world.  I have my problems with Cullen but that's not one of them).

 

I'd like them to do another Solas-type romance at somepoint.  Minus the dumping and world destorying.  But it's something that feels fleeting and melancholy.  Even in my first playthrough I though 'this isn't going to last' and I actually kind of like that - feeling like the protagonist isn't the centre of her LI's world.

 

Yep, you were one of the people I was referring to Was it? I only came back to the forums after launch (although I never visited the Cass thread anyway) so I didn't know that. That does make me kind of sad though, because it really seems like Bioware should have made her available to women judging from who was actually interested in her. And they won't make another character like her in DA4, obviously. Oh well...

 

I'm not obsessed with Cass or anything (I like Cullen's character more for a romance) but it still seems like a shame to me. Although since I'm a masochist I did end up with this scene:

Spoiler

 

 

I'm pretty sure the thread was started by a bi woman, and for a while it was a mostly all-woman zone.  It all got a little... heated after the announcement.  It was locked for a while, posts deleted.  I left at that point.

 

It's frustrating that she was clearly planned as a straight character from the start, but I have to question why it was vital to her character to be straight - having a former boyfriend doesn't change if she's bisexual, after all.  There's no butch stereotypes to defy, since no f/f LI has actually been butch (Ash, Jack and Cass are all straight).  And also being a butch lesbian isn't a negative thing (I know a few butch lesbians who are very annoyed at the lack of butch f/f LIs in BW games - see above point about the previous butch LIs).  Hopefully the reaction of gay/bi women to Cass has made BW aware that women want this kind of LI, and they'll take that into account when planning characters for the next game.

 

Also, I got that scene too.  Broke my Inquisitor's heart...

[Illyria]

You had the options to just spend some time together? Not a kiss or a sex scene? Man, I wish I could have done that with Cullen (and as I've said in another post I hope they do that as standard in future games).

 

Sera has that as well (currently I've only romanced her and Solas, but I'm doing Josie's at the moment).  You can kiss her, or spend time together on the roof (which friends also get).  Her journel also updates to feature her girlfriend more and it's very cute.

[Andromelek]

I thought what they had been talking about was how Luke did not have an canonically established sexuality and so his actor thought fan interpretation was fine. I've been a bit here and there today so I may have misread the conversation.

The EU used to be canon, pretty sure it was thrown away so Disney could screw around and make it's own version of Star Wars' EU.

[Illyria]

The EU used to be canon, pretty sure it was thrown away so Disney could screw around and make it's own version of Star Wars' EU.

 

Or that they could make new films without people whining about The Continuity.  Not everyone has time to read 30+ years of EU material.  They've clearly taken inspiration from the EU, though.

 

The point is - the EU: not canon.

 

Luke: can be gay.  Can be bi.  Can be trans.

[Steelcan]

Or that they could make new films without people whining about The Continuity.  Not everyone has time to read 30+ years of EU material.  They've clearly taken inspiration from the EU, though.

 

The point is - the EU: not canon.

 

Luke: can be gay.  Can be bi.  Can be trans.

I'd love to here the rationale behind Luke being trans

[Artona]

 

 

Not everyone has time to read 30+ years of EU material.

 

And not everyone liked EU. I mean... Luuke. Or Sun Crusher. I'm glad it's not canon anymore. 

[vbibbi]

I don't get arguments about James Bond not being black. He is a British secret agent, that's the basis of his character. As long as the actor playing him is British why would his ethnicity matter? I wouldn't mind seeing Idris Elba as Bond.

 

[Andromelek]

Or that they could make new films without people whining about The Continuity.  Not everyone has time to read 30+ years of EU material.  They've clearly taken inspiration from the EU, though.
 
The point is - the EU: not canon.
 
Luke: can be gay.  Can be bi.  Can be trans.

And that's the point you seemingly don't get, I'm aware that the EU isn't canon anymore, but Luke had already been defined on it, nothing stops Disney from doing whatever they want to Star Wars but people is damn right about arguing against changing him to something that he wasn't, and that's why I mentioned the DA example, if another company buys DA and begins to screw the defined characters like this, you wouldn't be happy, would you?

[Illyria]

And that's the point you seemingly don't get, I'm aware that the EU isn't canon anymore, but Luke had already been defined on it, nothing stops Disney from doing whatever they want to Star Wars but people is damn right about arguing against changing him to something that he wasn't, and that's why I mentioned the DA example, if another company buys DA and begins to screw the defined characters like this, you wouldn't be happy, would you?

 

And the EU is not canon anymore.  Anything Luke went through in that?  It's as canon as a fanfic where he and Wedge get a house in the country with a dog.

 

If another company brought BW and changed DA to suit them, I'd be disapointed.  But I'd also still have 3.5 games, five novels, a ton of comics and two lore books.  That information no longer being canon does not change how I feel about Dragon Age.  I'd probably give the new stuff a try and see if it's for me.  If it is then yay!  I have more Dragon Age.  If not: no biggie.  I still have Dragon Age.  Last I checked Disney were not sending Men in Black round to anyone who owned EU material and taking it away.  You're stil allowed to enjoy it.  But when it comes to offical Star Wars canon - it's nothing to do with anymore.

[Shechinah]

The EU used to be canon, pretty sure it was thrown away so Disney could screw around and make it's own version of Star Wars' EU.

 

I thought I'd heard the expanded universe and the others material had some sort of caste canonicity: The films were of the highest canonicity with the exception of Word of God and so their canonicity were correct even if they contradicted non-film material.   
 

[Illyria]

I'd love to here the rationale behind Luke being trans

 

You'd have to ask someone with that headcanon.

[Illyria]

I thought I'd heard the expanded universe and the others material had some sort of caste canonicity: The films were of the highest canonicity with the exception of Word of God and so what their canonicity were correct even if they contradicted non-film material.   
 

 

No, they're non canon and have been rebanded under the name Star Wars Legends.  The only canon material are the films, The Clone Wars, Star Wars: Rebels and anything released by Disney.

[Jedi Comedian]

I highly doubt Luke is not straight, as he commented on Leia with Han and got kissed by her (and expressed satisfaction right after it). If there was ever a non-straight character in upcoming SW films I hope to God is not Poe, I don't really like when people get labeled for what might or might not be, I just hope it would be done naturally and not to fill a quota.

[Medhia_Nox]

@VodeAn:  Okay, so why would Poe being gay "fill a quota"?  

[vbibbi]

Last I checked Disney were not sending Men in Black round to anyone who owned EU material and taking it away.  You're stil allowed to enjoy it. 

 

Only because they haven't perfected the technology yet. Give it another few years.

[Gilli]

You had the options to just spend some time together? Not a kiss or a sex scene? Man, I wish I could have done that with Cullen (and as I've said in another post I hope they do that as standard in future games).

 
Yes and No.
The first time you choose the "Let's spend some time together" option, Dorian will say "I've prepared something for you in your room." when you then go to your room he will join you and ....I'll let the wiki speak x"D
 

Once Dorian's approval is high enough he will imply there is something "interesting" waiting in the Inquisitor's private quarters. Going to the bed chamber results in Dorian following along shortly thereafter and seductively propositioning the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor may then break off the romance, request that they slow things down, or sleep with Dorian. If the two are intimate a cutscene follows in which they set the parameters of their relationship: Dorian conveys he would like something deeper than just sex, but will back away if asked to. Again the Inquisitor can choose to end the relationship, make it exclusively about sex, or enter into a more emotional engagement with Dorian.
 
If the Inquisitor requests they slow things down Dorian will become confused. He will disbelievingly ask if the Inquisitor wants a relationship. The Inquisitor can confirm or say no. If they say yes Dorian will be shocked into silence and share that he has never been in a relationship and is unsure how to go about being in one. After being reassured the two will share a kiss and Dorian will leave.

That's what I chose and since then, when I choose "Let's spend some time together" Dorian will say something similar to the one wrote down above.
 

 

As a Solavellan player (and a fan of Solas in general) it's a pain that there's so little content (Cullen was also last minute and he gets a repeatable kiss and also doesn't dump his girlfriend in a swamp or plan on remaking the world.  I have my problems with Cullen but that's not one of them).
 
I'd like them to do another Solas-type romance at somepoint.  Minus the dumping and world destorying.  But it's something that feels fleeting and melancholy.  Even in my first playthrough I though 'this isn't going to last' and I actually kind of like that - feeling like the protagonist isn't the centre of her LI's world.

Yeah, I agree.

 

Tho I'd like it to have a happy end, I don't need drama in a relationship.

[Jedi Comedian]

@VodeAn: Okay, so why would Poe being gay "fill a quota"?

'Cause I expect anything from the man who ruined Lost.

By the way, like I said I hate that people label others for what they THINK they are. In the "right" hands that way of thinking is in my opinion a form of bigotry. So I hope Poe is straight (doubt he isn't though).