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[Illyria]

 
I don't hold that fight against him as not only was he wounded, he was also severely emotionally compromised to say the least because of what he had done; he may have thought that act would provide him with the certainty he so needed and smother the part of him that was Ben but it seemed to only serve to cause the opposite effect. I quite like that: I found it to be a neat subversion.  
 
Interestingly, one of the ways people sometimes tries to cope with overwhelming emotional pain is by inducing physical pain because it can temporarily distract them from the former. That is my interpretation of why Kylo Ren was repeatedly striking the wound in his during the fight. It fitted with the emotional state he appeared to be in and the situation he was trying and failing to focus all of himself on. 
   
Did anyone else get the impression that Kylo Ren is mentally ill? I do not mean it as an insult but as him being legitimately mentally ill. I think it was an impression partially brought on by his scenes with the mask of Darth Vader but it may be that he is delusional and suffering from psychoses.

 

Snoke might have taken advantage of that by presenting the existence of the Force and Darth Vader's connection to it as evidence that Ben is not delusional about his grandfather. That is an interpretation of mine I like and if I remember correctly, some of Kylo Ren's behavior do fit though I'll have to wait until I have my hands on the film to provide further examples since I want to be sure I am not misremembering scenes.   
 
It could, of course, also be that Kylo Ren's behavior is a result of his internal conflict and he is trying to hang on to the Darth Vader's connection through the mask to steady himself so to speak or that Snoke is manipulating Kylo Ren in some similar manners like through the Force.

Kylo Ren can be an interesting but very difficult kind of character to write and while I thought there were flaws in the writing, I thought they've done an above decent job so far and I am looking immensely forward to where they are taking this character.

I consider the Force Awakens to be the best film in the Star Wars franchise though I will remind folks that it is my personal and subjective opinion; I am not making an objective statement; I am merely voicing my opinion.
 
All in all, I do find Kylo Ren to be an interesting character and so far, I've liked all members of the cast.

 

Apparently Snoke has been manipulating Ben since he was very young (which Leia was aware of but didn't tell Han about it).

 

But this is off topic.

[Shechinah]

I do, however, question the decision to name one of the major villains Snoke.   

[Biotic Apostate]

If he hits on Kylo, then I support him being gay.

You're being rather unreasonable here. If Poe turns out to be gay, and I'm guessing you don't like him, it's filling the quota and it's because of political correctness, but if it's Kylo, a character you like, then it's great and in no way filling the quota?

 

People reading into some Poe scenes might be picking up on some hints that the writers left, or nothing at all. But I don't see why Poe being gay would be so terrible compared to Kylo being gay.

[Jedi Comedian]

I do, however, question the decision to name one of the major villains Snoke.

Not a commanding name in the slightest, true.

[Jedi Comedian]

You're being rather unreasonable here. If Poe turns out to be gay, and I'm guessing you don't like him, it's filling the quota and it's because of political correctness, but if it's Kylo, a character you like, then it's great and in no way filling the quota?

People reading into some Poe scenes might be picking up on some hints that the writers left, or nothing at all. But I don't see why Poe being gay would be so terrible compared to Kylo being gay.

I don't dislike Poe, I would simply prefer if there was a gay character who is not already rumored to be gay.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm not thick-skinned, I admit it. But I just can't stand extremists, specially when said person purposedly derailed my thread, which I had to nuke (to be fair it was derailed by other people every few pages (you also had a hand in that), so it was the best option anyway).

* I myself have been blocked for much lesser stuff, and I couldn't care less, really.

I've been blocked too, I don't block unrelated people because of it.

 

I'm glad you can admit that you're thin skinned, now you should admit that the person in question isn't an extremist, lol, and admit you're not that knowledgeable on what that even means.

 

As far as you "having to nuke a thread" I don't really care, these threads don't have post limits like other sites do, they're going to get derailed, and you should just come to accept that. No, I didn't stick to the same tired topic page after page, choosing to engage in conversation with the other forum goers in a public forum like one is supposed to instead. And no, I don't feel guilty about that in the slightest. I'd also like to note that spamming pictures of Geralt's bare chest and lusting over it isn't how you get a conversation on topic.

 

Neither is whining about it and threatening to nuke it, either.

[Shechinah]

Apparently Snoke has been manipulating Ben since he was very young (which Leia was aware of but didn't tell Han about it).

 

But this is off topic.

 

There's the eerie thought of how realistic Snoke's methods of isolating and manipulating a young Ben, with or without psychological issues, could be. I find myself holding out hope that my interpretation of Ben as mentally ill will somehow fit in the story because I think it could help the character evade some of the cliches that are often found and expected with his type of character.

 

As you say, however, it is unrelated to the topic of this thread but I confess it is hard not to indulge myself: I seldom have a chance to talk about these kind of interpretations as I am somewhat afraid of the Star Wars fandom when it comes to discussing such things. It is a funny thing that for all things said of the Bioware forums and the people that frequent them, I do not find them to be unkind: quite the opposite.   

[Illyria]

I don't dislike Poe, I would simply prefer if there was a gay character who is not already rumored to be gay.

 

Again, what is so bad about Poe being gay/bi?  What makes Poe an 'agenda' while Kylo is okay?

[Shechinah]

Can we continue to discuss Star Wars, Battlebloodmage, if we keep it relevant to the topic somehow? Pretty please?

[BansheeOwnage]

 

It's frustrating that she was clearly planned as a straight character from the start, but I have to question why it was vital to her character to be straight - having a former boyfriend doesn't change if she's bisexual, after all.  There's no butch stereotypes to defy, since no f/f LI has actually been butch (Ash, Jack and Cass are all straight).  And also being a butch lesbian isn't a negative thing (I know a few butch lesbians who are very annoyed at the lack of butch f/f LIs in BW games - see above point about the previous butch LIs).  Hopefully the reaction of gay/bi women to Cass has made BW aware that women want this kind of LI, and they'll take that into account when planning characters for the next game.

 

Also, I got that scene too.  Broke my Inquisitor's heart...

Again, that all makes me sad Although depending on what one means by "butch", I would be more interested in a woman who isn't. If we're talking about looks alone, I prefer something else in general, but it's not a huge deal to me. If we're talking personality, I'd have to know what someone meant by "butch" in the first place. Because there are a lot of characteristics people would call "butch" that I probably wouldn't, since I avoid terms like that as much as I can.

 

Sera has that as well (currently I've only romanced her and Solas, but I'm doing Josie's at the moment).  You can kiss her, or spend time together on the roof (which friends also get).  Her journel also updates to feature her girlfriend more and it's very cute.

Well, now I'm mildly jealous

 

I'd love to here the rationale behind Luke being trans

No idea, but I'd imagine it would be a fairly pointless addition considering the medical technology in Star Wars would render it a moot point.

 

I don't get arguments about James Bond not being black. He is a British secret agent, that's the basis of his character. As long as the actor playing him is British why would his ethnicity matter? I wouldn't mind seeing Idris Elba as Bond.

Especially if you take the fan-theory about all the 007s over the years being different agents adopting the name James Bond into account. Although the most recent film makes that weird.

 

 
Yes and No.
The first time you choose the "Let's spend some time together" option, Dorian will say "I've prepared something for you in your room." when you then go to your room he will join you and ....I'll let the wiki speak x"D
 

That's what I chose and since then, when I choose "Let's spend some time together" Dorian will say something similar to the one wrote down above.
 

Hmm, I think all the romances should have a "take it slow" option.

 

This actually ties into what the thread is about.

 

You don't want the heroic character to be gay, and would rather the villians be gay.

 

Honestly, Poe is gay as hell.  You do not bite your lip and say 'it looks good on you' to a bro.

What? How does that make him gay? I mean, it doesn't make him not gay either, but...

 

My point is, I'd say "That looks good on/suits you" to a platonic friend. I didn't think that was weird

[Shechinah]

I don't dislike Poe, I would simply prefer if there was a gay character who is not already rumored to be gay.

 

Considering everybody can be rumored to be gay, that would leave precious few if any at all. I mean, there are background characters and droids rumored to be gay or considered gay.

 

Characters who have interactions that can be taken to support interpretations in regards to their sexuality are often going to have more going for them in the regards of rumors: this is the case with Poe Dameron and why quite a number of people would not consider it to be a case of filling a quota if he turns out to be non-straight because there is enough possible hints to be found for them in his interactions for them to not consider to be from out of nowhere.

 

It does not even have to be treated as a major revelation: it can be casual like him simply kissing someone in the midst of a victory celebration festivities in the ending.        
 

[Colonelkillabee]

Again, that all makes me sad Although depending on what one means by "butch", I would be more interested in a woman who isn't. If we're talking about looks alone, I prefer something else in general, but it's not a huge deal to me. If we're talking personality, I'd have to know what someone meant by "butch" in the first place. Because there are a lot of characteristics people would call "butch" that I probably wouldn't, since I avoid terms like that as much as I can.

 

Well, now I'm mildly jealous

 

No idea, but I'd imagine it would be a fairly pointless addition considering the medical technology in Star Wars would render it a moot point.

 

Especially if you take the fan-theory about all the 007s over the years being different agents adopting the name James Bond into account. Although the most recent film makes that weird.

 

Hmm, I think all the romances should have a "take it slow" option.

 

What? How does that make him gay? I mean, it doesn't make him not gay either, but...

 

My point is, I'd say "That looks good on/suits you" to a platonic friend. I didn't think that was weird

It's the lip biting, dude

[Jedi Comedian]

I've been blocked too, I don't block unrelated people because of it.

I'm glad you can admit that you're thin skinned, now you should admit that the person in question isn't an extremist, lol, and admit you're not that knowledgeable on what that even means.

As far as you "having to nuke a thread" I don't really care, these threads don't have post limits like other sites do, they're going to get derailed, and you should just come to accept that. No, I didn't stick to the same tired topic page after page, choosing to engage in conversation with the other forum goers in a public forum like one is supposed to instead. And no, I don't feel guilty about that in the slightest. I'd also like to note that spamming pictures of Geralt's bare chest and lusting over it isn't how you get a conversation on topic.

Neither is whining about it and threatening to nuke it, either.

Geralt's not my type in the slightest lol, I just did that (and threatening to nuke the thread) hoping the mods would close it. I don't need you to feel guilty about anything, just pointed out you among others talked about off-topic stuff for an exaggerated period of time (I counted like, 3 full days). But I don't really miss that thread, it was almost the new Off-Topic section lol.

[Illyria]

My point is, I'd say "That looks good on/suits you" to a platonic friend. I didn't think that was weird

 

It was the way he bit his lip and looked him up and down while saying it.  It was... very flirty.

 

Plus, Isaac said he did play Poe as being into Finn.

[Biotic Apostate]

I don't dislike Poe, I would simply prefer if there was a gay character who is not already rumored to be gay.

I still don't understand, why that would be bad. As much as I can understand that some people want a gay antagonist, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Poe turning out to be gay. Why would it be bad if he was revealed to be gay in the next movie and some people suspected it earlier?

[Colonelkillabee]

Geralt's not my type in the slightest lol, I just did that (and threatening to nuke the thread) hoping the mods would close it. I don't need you to feel guilty about anything, just pointed out you among others talked about off-topic stuff for an exaggerated period of time (I counted like, 3 full days). But I don't really miss that thread, it was almost the new Off-Topic section lol.

Welcome to BSN, where people carry out a discussion by following where it goes naturally and don't stay on the exact topic after dozens of pages.

 

Let it go, guy, this isn't your thread.

[Jedi Comedian]

Welcome to BSN, where people carry out a discussion by following where it goes naturally and don't stay on the exact topic after dozens of pages.

Let it go, guy, this isn't your thread.

I thank God a thousand times it isn't.

[Shechinah]

We could also have more than one character who is non-straight and have that shown casually like in the possible victory celebration scenario: it needn't even be one of the characters from the main cast.

 

Speaking of James Bond: One of the actors who held the role of James Bond was a Stormtrooper in the Force Awakens film. I believe he was the Stormtrooper who Rey used the Force on to escape. I think his identification number was a reference to his previous role.   

[Jedi Comedian]

I still don't understand, why that would be bad. As much as I can understand that some people want a gay antagonist, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Poe turning out to be gay. Why would it be bad if he was revealed to be gay in the next movie and some people suspected it earlier?

Well, if he turns out to be Sinjir 2.0. (a character whose sexuality meant nothing) then whoever writes him has my respect.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Speaking of James Bond: One of the actors who held the role of James Bond was a Stormtrooper in the Force Awakens film. I believe he was the Stormtrooper who Rey used the Force on to escape. I think his identification number was a reference to his previous role.   

You are correct. It was Daniel Craig, the newest of the Bonds. 

[Gilli]

Hmm, I think all the romances should have a "take it slow" option.

 

Me too.

 

I found it really nice to have that option with Dorian.

Especially because Dorian's approvel skyrocketed after arriving at Skyhold, His first quest, friendship scene and second quest (Father, Mother Giselle, Amulet) basically happened right after each other and then I already got the "sex" scene.  (what can I say, I greatly support mages and made them my allies in 4/5 PTs  )

[Dani100]

Although I respect that they have psychological issues, due to a conflict between the mind and body, the reality is that transgender-females are still male. Transgender-males are still females. Regardless about how many drugs they take, while also the surgery they undergo, the reality is that they were biologically born as a female or male. You cannot change your DNA. Transgenders, psychologically, believe they identity with the opposite gender. According to what I have read in psychology journals, the vast majority of transgender teens snap out of it by adulthood. We should be patient with transgender teens and adults. Doctors also don't know the long-term affects of taking hormones; thus, transgenders could be causing themselves biological and psychological damage. We currently lack enough research.

I guess we should just go back to killing ourselves, it's much better than living a life where we feel comfortable in our own skin. I've never been the least bit concerned about the hormones and the only psychological damage ever done is by stupid **** like this. Yeah, it's crap like this that is unhealthy for transgendered people. I may not have been born the right gender and I may have the wrong chromosomes but every legal document I have says I'm a woman and that's good enough for me.

[BansheeOwnage]

I don't dislike Poe, I would simply prefer if there was a gay character who is not already rumored to be gay.

But... why?

 

 

As you say, however, it is unrelated to the topic of this thread but I confess it is hard not to indulge myself: I seldom have a chance to talk about these kind of interpretations as I am somewhat afraid of the Star Wars fandom when it comes to discussing such things. It is a funny thing that for all things said of the Bioware forums and the people that frequent them, I do not find them to be unkind: quite the opposite.

It's really too bad they nuked the off-topic section. I didn't even use it, but I'd much rather discuss something with people I already know somewhat than search for another forum. I'd probably just end up lurking if I did that.

 

I guess we should just go back to killing ourselves, it's much better than living a life where we feel comfortable in our own skin. I've never been the least bit concerned about the hormones and the only psychological damage ever done is by stupid **** like this. Yeah, it's crap like this that is unhealthy for transgendered people. I may not have been born the right gender and I may have the wrong chromosomes but every legal document I have says I'm a woman and that's good enough for me.

I had the same thoughts as the bolded. It's the people who don't respect you and insist you're something you're not, that they know more about you - about everyone - than you do. It's those people that damage the psyche.  It's basically bullying. You can't expect to constantly tell someone they're strange, abnormal, confused about themselves, that they know what's best for you without even understanding your situation, consider you to be less, and even be threatened with physical harm, and worse, and not expect that to take its toll.

 

That can cause serious mental health problems, and is not to be taken lightly. And I worded that specifically so it could apply to many groups, so hopefully it can resonate with people better. That's why there is an LGBT+ community to begin with. Not the same problems, but similar enough to band together.

 

You're brave. You have to be to survive all of that, because like you said, a depressing number of people don't. And it's largely because of other people. People can suck. Hopefully we collectively lighten up so no one else has to die.

[Shechinah]

Deadmac, on 14 Apr 2016 - 7:00 PM, said:

Although I respect that they have psychological issues, due to a conflict between the mind and body, the reality is that transgender-females are still male. Transgender-males are still females.

Interestingly enough, there are some scientific studies in neurology that have found several male-like characteristics in the neuroanatomy of some female-to-male transsexuals. There are also studies conducted that have found differences between some female-to-make transexuals and some non-transexual males. There are also studies that suggest genes are the main factor in the formation of a transgender identity.

You can find more studies if you are interested; they are quite fascinating to read.

Regardless about how many drugs they take, while also the surgery they undergo, the reality is that they were biologically born as a female or male.

But that does not mean they have to be female or male: something agreed upon by some societies as they allow a person to change their gender regardless of a person's body. 

You cannot change your DNA.

Actually, science have found that you apparently can change DNA as I believe it was amongst others the dna of stem cells that can be altered through, I think, magnetic fields. This would mean that yes, you can change your DNA and you can it by intent.

 

Humanity is still playing catch-up with half of the stuff nature can and has pulled.

Transgenders, psychologically, believe they identity with the opposite gender.

Yup and gender nonconformity is not considered in itself to be a mental disorder. It is the significant distress that is considered the issue and one of the most used treatments for it by professionals are providing the person experiencing gender dysphoria support and encouraging what they see as their gender identity because that is what can help them cope and overcome their distress. It is the distress that is considered what needs to be dealt with and not the gender identity. This is because it is the distress that can lead to suicidal thoughts and similar psychological issues.

Interestingly, when people often cite transsexuality as gender dysphoria, they tend to not know or ignore that the main treatments are supporting the person and encouraging them to live the identity they percieve them as being because that is what helps them with their distress while trying to discourage them or force them to live the identity that they do not percieve themselves as worsen their distress and does more harm than good hence why the former is one of the primary approaches and the latter is not.

According to what I have read in psychology journals, the vast majority of transgender teens snap out of it by adulthood.

Could you provide links to these psychology journals and their respective articles because I'd like to see what they base their numbers on especially considering I've seen quite a number of articles where the writers either forget or are not aware that transsexuality are often marked by a significant distress which is often what can make them more distinguishable from people, teens and children included, who are experimenting with their identities.  

We should be patient with transgender teens and adults.

We should which is why people are allowed and encouraged to live their lives in accordance to the gender that they see themselves as so that they may be certain that this is who they are and want to be. 

 

Note: While I think I know what you are saying as in respecting transsexuality but considering their bodies to be one gender even their identity is another, I still take exception to it and the manner in which you said it partially because I feel it emphasises the wrong thing; namely, that the physiological aspect still plays a part in whether or not you can be considered to be equally a certain gender. This basically means that a person who identifies as male is considered less male than a person who does not identify as male but has a male body solely because the other person has a male body. It is still the thought that someone can be considered less the gender they identify as because of how they were born.

 

I would note that there is no ill will intended towards you in this and if you feel like there is then I'd like for you to tell me because that is not what I mean by this. This is still a bit roughly written and up for some polishing.
 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You are correct. It was Daniel Craig, the newest of the Bonds. 

 

I don't like him as Bond. My favorite James Bond is and will always be Sean Connery. He is manly (had real chest hair instead of being hairless ) and he was alpha as f*ck (his Bond and he himself gave zero f*cks about being politically correct).

 

Connery is a man's man whereas Craig is a pretty boy. Its a lot like Blackwall versus Cullen. Blackwall is about violence, loyalties, facing the consequences whereas Cullen, in the typical pretty boy fashion, is about recovering from a drug addiction.

 

 

 

Man talk...