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[daveliam]

I guess we should just go back to killing ourselves, it's much better than living a life where we feel comfortable in our own skin. I've never been the least bit concerned about the hormones and the only psychological damage ever done is by stupid **** like this. Yeah, it's crap like this that is unhealthy for transgendered people. I may not have been born the right gender and I may have the wrong chromosomes but every legal document I have says I'm a woman and that's good enough for me.

 

A-******-men, Dani. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I guess we should just go back to killing ourselves, it's much better than living a life where we feel comfortable in our own skin. I've never been the least bit concerned about the hormones and the only psychological damage ever done is by stupid **** like this. Yeah, it's crap like this that is unhealthy for transgendered people. I may not have been born the right gender and I may have the wrong chromosomes but every legal document I have says I'm a woman and that's good enough for me.

Not to be that guy, but taking hormones and the like is pretty much the opposite of being comfortable in your own skin. It's fine if you don't agree with what they said, but I don't think what they said warranted all this. All that they're trying to say is we should be cautious when making drastic changes to people's body when we don't understand fully what the consequences are. There's a lot of stories out there of people regretting the whole thing, and it's very unfortunate, and hard to read.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Not to be that guy, but taking hormones and the like is pretty much the opposite of being comfortable in your own skin.

 

Not really. I have to take three different medications every morning in order to (sort of) function like a normal human being, because my brain has no flipping clue what it's doing when left to its own devices. Sometimes we need to alter our skins (and other stuff, like the goo between our ears) so we can be comfortable.

[Colonelkillabee]

Not really. I have to take three different medications every morning in order to (sort of) function like a normal human being, because my brain has no flipping clue what it's doing when left to its own devices. Sometimes we need to alter our skins (and other stuff, like the goo between our ears) so we can be comfortable.

I'm more talking those that use medication and surgery to drastically change themselves, not just for what you're talking about. People can do what they want, but it seems worrying to me that people don't think it worth questioning long term effects of these sort of things, especially when such a high rate of people come back saying they've regretted it.

[Battlebloodmage]

Not to be that guy, but taking hormones and the like is pretty much the opposite of being comfortable in your own skin. It's fine if you don't agree with what they said, but I don't think what they said warranted all this. All that they're trying to say is we should be cautious when making drastic changes to people's body when we don't understand fully what the consequences are. There's a lot of stories out there of people regretting the whole thing, and it's very unfortunate, and hard to read.

Depending, some people taking hormone, especially young people to prevent onset of puberty, like for transgender teen females, so that their body doesn't grow too tall, their body doesn't become enlarge. Hormone treatments are very important, so that their body stays with the gender they identify with. 

 

I'm generally okay with a bit off-topic as this thread to seem to have derailed. I had a problem with if the thread derailment if it becomes too heated and way of the scope of this thread, since the last discussion was basically about races and it gets really aggressive. Anyway, I hope people keep it on topic and at least discuss stuffs that related to sexuality and stereotypes and tropes and variation of representation. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Depending, some people taking hormone, especially young people to prevent onset of puberty, like for transgender teen males, so that their body doesn't grow too tall, their body doesn't become enlarge. Hormone treatments are very important, so that their body stays with the gender they identify with. 

 

I'm generally okay with a bit off-topic as this thread to seem to have derailed. I had a problem with if the thread derailment if it becomes too heated and way of the scope of this thread, since the last discussion was basically about races and it gets really aggressive. Anyway, I hope people keep it on topic and at least discuss stuffs that related to sexuality and stereotypes and tropes and variation of representation. 

I don't plan on making this a big thing (though I know it usually turns into one).

 

I understand the reasoning behind it, even if I don't agree with it. The recklessness of it I mean, when the long term effects on the mind and body aren't fully understood, and could be doing more harm later down the line than good. I get some people think it's worth it, and that's their business. I just threw my two cents in because what the original poster to that subject was saying seemed reasonable to me and didn't warrant the hostility.

 

I'm fine with going back on topic, this subject will probably not go anywhere good anyway.

[9TailsFox]

If he hits on Kylo, then I support him being gay.

I hope Poe like smuggler from swtor. What do you do with most powerful and evil guy who can consume planets? I just love smuggler.

[9TailsFox]

This actually ties into what the thread is about.

 

You don't want the heroic character to be gay, and would rather the villians be gay.

 

Honestly, Poe is gay as hell.  You do not bite your lip and say 'it looks good on you' to a bro.

 

 

I just like the bad guys, nothing wrong with that.

Also, keep in mind new characters could be introduced, both good and bad. But I don't get why a bad guy can't be gay, heck Kylo could be redeemed (Vader was after bleeding dry almost the whole Jedi Order).

Poe is defenetly gay 99% sure.

 

Spoiler

When asked on Ellen about there being "any romance between these characters" in The Force Awakens, Isaac replied "I think it's a very subtle romance that's happening, you know you have look very closely, you have to watch it a few times to see the little hints, but there was, at least I was playing romance," to which John Boyega interjected "I was." Isaac declined to say with which character he interpreted Poe as having romance with, though "it could be a droid".[19] These comments, coupled with the way Isaac had Poe bite his lip while complimenting Finn, prompted speculation that Poe could be an LGBT character

 

And I don't want redemption I want Kylo win Star wars is already copy paste of old movies The Force awakens is just remake of New hope. I want Kylo learn from his deft(hero falling) and win in next movie against Rey.

[SnakeCode]

 

 

I don't get arguments about James Bond not being black. He is a British secret agent, that's the basis of his character. As long as the actor playing him is British why would his ethnicity matter? I wouldn't mind seeing Idris Elba as Bond.

 

 

He is described in the books. He isn't a black guy, it's that simple. Why not make him a woman too? Ot trans since it's the topic of the hour?

 

Of course the obvious way around this is to go down the fan theory route and say James Bond is a code name used by multiple agents. I don't actually mind if Idris Elba gets the role, I think he's a fine actor and I don't really care about them changing a characters skin colour.

 

There's no two ways about it though, if a white actor was cast as say, Black Panther, many of the same people praising black James Bond or female Thor would go apesh*t. Rightly or wrongly. It's a double standard, changing white character's ethnicity, male characters to female, straight characters to gay etc is absolutely fine, a positive thing even. The other way around? Not so much.

 

And yes, I know the argument that there are more characters who are straight, white men so changing a few doesn't matter, whereas there aren't many black or gay characters etc so removing one would be a way bigger issue. I just disagree, it's still a double standard.

 

 

Edit- Double quote for some reason.

[Colonelkillabee]

As far as I'm concerned, moviemakers have no qualms about casting white actors everywhere in movies where they shouldn't, so I for one am fine with a black james bond. Especially because if they were ever going to, this guy is perfect for it. As long as he's british, I don't care.

[9TailsFox]

As far as I'm concerned, moviemakers have no qualms about casting white actors everywhere in movies where they shouldn't, so I for one am fine with a black james bond. Especially because if they were ever going to, this guy is perfect for it. As long as he's british, I don't care.

Give me few examples everywhere.

[Colonelkillabee]

Give me few examples everywhere.

That terrible avatar the last airbender movie and the recent moses movie come to mind immediately.

 

And depictions of Jesus Christ.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

He is described in the books. He isn't a black guy, it's that simple. Why not make him a woman too? Ot trans since it's the topic of the hour?

 

Of course the obvious way around this is to go down the fan theory route and say James Bond is a code name used by multiple agents. I don't actually mind if Idris Elba gets the role, I think he's a fine actor and I don't really care about them changing a characters skin colour.

 

There's no two ways about it though, if a white actor was cast as say, Black Panther, many of the same people praising black James Bond or female Thor would go apesh*t. Rightly or wrongly. It's a double standard, changing white character's ethnicity, male characters to female, straight characters to gay etc is absolutely fine, a positive thing even. The other way around? Not so much.

 

And yes, I know the argument that there are more characters who are straight, white men so changing a few doesn't matter, whereas there aren't many black or gay characters etc so removing one would be a way bigger issue. I just disagree, it's still a double standard.

 

 

This. QFT.
 

[Malthier]

No it's an example of someone going lalala, lol.

 

Stories do this all the time, yes, but reasons for the strangeness is given. Guarantee people that have no idea who Jack Churchill is would claim his story was unrealistic despite it actually happening. Unrealistic doesn't mean it can't happen.

 

wait. how was your example about Jack Churchill someone going lalala?

 

you lost me. when video game protags kill swarms of baddies the only reason given is usually because they're just that tough. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Not saying SnakeCode isn't right about James Bond being white in the book. Just saying, I have an obvious bias and I admit it. So why should I care that they made James Bond a race he probably shouldn't be portrayed as when this goes on all the time. The only real cases that I gotta put my foot down are when they do stuff like make Thor a chick for the lulz. Despite their reasoning of the title in the comics going to whoever is worthy to hold the hammer, and the fact that comics do this sort of switcher up thing all the time, Thor is based off of a Norse god, and the Norse nerd in me just can't. Same with Heimdallr being black in the movie (same actor I think too).

 

But just switching up a character's race in a book, while annoying, black or white honestly I don't care. I only really care when it comes to culture stuff, like portrayals of Egyptians, Norsemen and Norse Gods, Jesus, Biblical stories in general.

 

Other than that, in theater, people play characters when the actors and actresses don't match up all the time. Another reason I say meh to the James Bond thing, other than what I've already stated.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Same with Heimdallr being black in the movie (same actor I think too).

Yes. Idris Elba plays Heimdall in the MCU. 

[Colonelkillabee]

wait. how was your example about Jack Churchill someone going lalala?

 

you lost me. when video game protags kill swarms of baddies the only reason given is usually because they're just that tough. 

I meant you, lol, bad wording.

 

Anyway, yes but I meant in a book or movie. Movies with your example aren't taken very seriously and it's taken as a silly over the top action movie. Authors especially are criticized hard for these sort of things, like the overused Mary Sue shtick.

[SnakeCode]

Not saying SnakeCode isn't right about James Bond being white in the book. Just saying, I have an obvious bias and I admit it. So why should I care that they made James Bond a race he probably shouldn't be portrayed as when this goes on all the time. The only real cases that I gotta put my foot down are when they do stuff like make Thor a chick for the lulz. Despite their reasoning of the title in the comics going to whoever is worthy to hold the hammer, and the fact that comics do this sort of switcher up thing all the time, Thor is based off of a Norse god, and the Norse nerd in me just can't. Same with Heimdallr being black in the movie (same actor I think too).

 

But just switching up a character's race in a book, while annoying, black or white honestly I don't care. I only really care when it comes to culture stuff, like portrayals of Egyptians, Norsemen and Norse Gods, Jesus, Biblical stories in general.

 

Other than that, in theater, people play characters when the actors and actresses don't match up all the time. Another reason I say meh to the James Bond thing, other than what I've already stated.

 

Yeah I agree, it doesn't bother me either, though i'd rather they just make a new character than change an existing one. It's the double standard that bothers me, as it usually is in situations like this. I'd actually like Elba as bond.

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah I agree, it doesn't bother me either, though i'd rather they just make a new character than change an existing one. It's the double standard that bothers me, as it usually is in situations like this. I'd actually like Elba as bond.

Agreed with you there as well, there's definitely a double standard.

[Seboist]

He is described in the books. He isn't a black guy, it's that simple. Why not make him a woman too? Ot trans since it's the topic of the hour?

 

Of course the obvious way around this is to go down the fan theory route and say James Bond is a code name used by multiple agents. I don't actually mind if Idris Elba gets the role, I think he's a fine actor and I don't really care about them changing a characters skin colour.

 

There's no two ways about it though, if a white actor was cast as say, Black Panther, many of the same people praising black James Bond or female Thor would go apesh*t. Rightly or wrongly. It's a double standard, changing white character's ethnicity, male characters to female, straight characters to gay etc is absolutely fine, a positive thing even. The other way around? Not so much.

 

And yes, I know the argument that there are more characters who are straight, white men so changing a few doesn't matter, whereas there aren't many black or gay characters etc so removing one would be a way bigger issue. I just disagree, it's still a double standard.

 

 

Edit- Double quote for some reason.

 

Quite right, here's an illustration Fleming did of Bond.

 

 

If they were to make Bond black or a woman, the studio would see no further dead presidents from me.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Quite right, here's an illustration Fleming did of Bond.

 

 

If they were to make Bond black or a woman, the studio would see no further dead presidents from me.

 

That's a white man with dark hair. So this means the true Bonds are Connery, Brosnan, Dalton and Lazenby. The fake pretenders are Craig and Moore.

 

Like you, if they decide to make Bond black (or blond again), they will not receive any money from me.

[Panda]

He is described in the books. He isn't a black guy, it's that simple. Why not make him a woman too? Ot trans since it's the topic of the hour?

 

Of course the obvious way around this is to go down the fan theory route and say James Bond is a code name used by multiple agents. I don't actually mind if Idris Elba gets the role, I think he's a fine actor and I don't really care about them changing a characters skin colour.

 

There's no two ways about it though, if a white actor was cast as say, Black Panther, many of the same people praising black James Bond or female Thor would go apesh*t. Rightly or wrongly. It's a double standard, changing white character's ethnicity, male characters to female, straight characters to gay etc is absolutely fine, a positive thing even. The other way around? Not so much.

 

And yes, I know the argument that there are more characters who are straight, white men so changing a few doesn't matter, whereas there aren't many black or gay characters etc so removing one would be a way bigger issue. I just disagree, it's still a double standard.

 

 

Edit- Double quote for some reason.

 

Jane Thor is different character than Thor Odinson and Thor Odinson still exists in the universe so it's not same- and it's not like Marvel haven't given title of Thor to other people earlier as well like Beta Ray Bill who look like Horse without skin, but at least he's guy right? ^^; In terms of Black Panther- well Americans first black superhero can't really be white- especially with his backstory of being king of African country. James Bond has tons of movies out already and they have changes the actor multiple times so I don't see problem. I guess the difference is that white Black Panther wouldn't really made anyone happy, but black James Bond would make lot of people happy so that's why there is this "double standard".

 

In general I do get that people want to characters stay similar that they are in source. I want that too, when I hear casting of Marvel character I think if I can imagine this person as character or not and I do like when the character looks similar as they are in comic. Diversity anyways would be done easier with newer characters that are more diverse, Marvel should just pick them. Why do 3rd movie series of Peter Parker being in high school, why not do Spider-man movie with Miles Morales as lead? Why wait until 2018 for first female superhero movie? Why not do New Avengers movie, movie about team that has quite lot diversity? But I guess MCU is bit scared of going outside of what is popular.

[Fandango]

I guess we should just go back to killing ourselves, it's much better than living a life where we feel comfortable in our own skin. I've never been the least bit concerned about the hormones and the only psychological damage ever done is by stupid **** like this. Yeah, it's crap like this that is unhealthy for transgendered people. I may not have been born the right gender and I may have the wrong chromosomes but every legal document I have says I'm a woman and that's good enough for me.

 

Right on Dani.

[9TailsFox]

Jane Thor is different character than Thor Odinson and Thor Odinson still exists in the universe so it's not same- and it's not like Marvel haven't given title of Thor to other people earlier as well like Beta Ray Bill who look like Horse without skin, but at least he's guy right? ^^; In terms of Black Panther- well Americans first black superhero can't really be white- especially with his backstory of being king of African country. James Bond has tons of movies out already and they have changes the actor multiple times so I don't see problem. I guess the difference is that white Black Panther wouldn't really made anyone happy, but black James Bond would make lot of people happy so that's why there is this "double standard".

 

In general I do get that people want to characters stay similar that they are in source. I want that too, when I hear casting of Marvel character I think if I can imagine this person as character or not and I do like when the character looks similar as they are in comic. Diversity anyways would be done easier with newer characters that are more diverse, Marvel should just pick them. Why do 3rd movie series of Peter Parker being in high school, why not do Spider-man movie with Miles Morales as lead? Why wait until 2018 for first female superhero movie? Why not do New Avengers movie, movie about team that has quite lot diversity? But I guess MCU is bit scared of going outside of what is popular.

This why make Peter Parker (who have how many reboots? 3?) black than you can do something new with Miles Morales  . Yes milk the dead cow

 

The problem with diversity. For some reason word diversity equal more black people if all cast black you can't be more divers. Casting Wally West and all West family black progressive so good much wow. You don't need Black Panther try cast Luce Cage, Cyborg as white it would be, whitewashing, racist pigs, you don't see tomorrow over ****-storm. Someone already made post what big problem we have, we using same old character over and over again reboot of reboots. Just make new characters and make movie or TV show. You want more female character look at Jessica Jones no one know her, TV show was great. We soon have Luke Cage and Netflix marvel shows are great so you can expect same quality. Punisher was done perfect in Daredevil.

[Panda]

This why make Peter Parker (who have how many reboots? 3?) black than you can do something new with Miles Morales  . Yes milk the dead cow

 

The problem with diversity. For some reason word diversity equal more black people if all cast black you can't be more divers. Casting Wally West and all West family black progressive so good much wow. You don't need Black Panther try cast Luce Cage, Cyborg as white it would be, whitewashing, racist pigs, you don't see tomorrow over ****-storm. Someone already made post what big problem we have, we using same old character over and over again reboot of reboots. Just make new characters and make movie or TV show. You want more female character look at Jessica Jones no one know her TV show was great. We soon have Luke Cage and Netflix marvel show are great so you can expect same quality. Punisher was done perfect in Daredevil.

 

Yep this is third one, now MCU's reboot of him. I don't get what's point, everyone in the world already knows that he gets bitten by radioactive spider and that uncle Ben dies. If they want teenage Spider-man there is no reason not to use Miles.

 

It's not like they would even need make more characters for diversity, Marvel already has them. They should just use them in movies instead of staying same old. Since this topic is about LGBT, Young/New Avengers movie would be best to bring that kind of diversity to MCU.