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[Illyria]

He is described in the books. He isn't a black guy, it's that simple. Why not make him a woman too? Ot trans since it's the topic of the hour?

 

Of course the obvious way around this is to go down the fan theory route and say James Bond is a code name used by multiple agents. I don't actually mind if Idris Elba gets the role, I think he's a fine actor and I don't really care about them changing a characters skin colour.

 

There's no two ways about it though, if a white actor was cast as say, Black Panther, many of the same people praising black James Bond or female Thor would go apesh*t. Rightly or wrongly. It's a double standard, changing white character's ethnicity, male characters to female, straight characters to gay etc is absolutely fine, a positive thing even. The other way around? Not so much.

 

And yes, I know the argument that there are more characters who are straight, white men so changing a few doesn't matter, whereas there aren't many black or gay characters etc so removing one would be a way bigger issue. I just disagree, it's still a double standard.

 

 

Edit- Double quote for some reason.

 

With the exception of Casino Royale when was the last time a Bond film was based on a book?  The Living Daylights, wasn't it? I think License to Kill took elements from the book but the story itself was original.

 

And even when they were basing them on books the writers were taking parts from one and putting them in another - they shifted and changed the source to suit their ends.  They've already reinvented the source - why should it matter if Elba (or anyone who isn't white, or male) be cast as Bond?
 

[Shechinah]

Interestingly, I remembered an old thing I read in which the stageshow Harry Potter and the Cursed Child choose to cast a black actor as Hermione and J.K Rowling spoke up in defense of the decision and expressed her approval of the casting; "Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione"

[Artona]

For me Bond was kinda similar to Shakespeare characters - rather defined by his position in society (MI6, super secret agent, etc.) and character traits, than by his looks. I have no problem with black or asian Hamlet and I have no problem with black or asian Bond. I have no problem with female Hamlet (actually there was polish adaptation with actress playing Hamlet and I really enjoyed it) and I'd love to see female Bond... and "Bond's boys", instead of "Bond's girls" .

However, I kinda dislike achieving "diversity" by changing skin colour of estabilished characters, because it seems artificial and unconvincing for me. I'd rather see new heroes and characters of different origins. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You sound like my racist pure blood sith. Thanks for companions customisation, he have Vette until he find worthy pure blood sith not filthy aliens.

Spoiler

How am I a racist for telling the truth? And I am a PoC myself? That's an oxymoron.

[Shechinah]

How am I a racist for telling the truth? And I am a PoC myself? That's an oxymoron.

 
It's not because racism is about acting a certain way towards someone because of their race meaning you can be a person of color and be racistic towards a person who is white or another person of color. It is known. It is fact. It is truth.   

"Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview with prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination. Racism can be present in social actions, practices, or political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices. The ideology underlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different in their social behavior and innate capacities and that can be ranked as inferior or superior. Racist ideology can become manifest in many aspects of social life. Associated social actions may include xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, supremacism, and related social phenomena."

 

If I were to ask you why you thought people should not date outside their race or why you consider it to be self-hate, what would you respond with? Because as it stands, your self-proclaimed truth indicates that you consider that people of color should not be involved with people who are white because they are not the same race which is an example of racism. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I don't take even take you seriously. Gosh. Stop being stupid rubbish about race into every dicussion; it's not apperaticed becuase I'm like three quarters African American, and yet I don't even....

ROTFL

[GoldenGail3]

*bleep*

 

I blocked Phantom, so there's that. Now can we get back to the dicussion at hand please?

[Shechinah]

Now can we get back to the dicussion at hand please?

 

Right, so is Poe Dameron nonstraight and can James Bond be black or blond?
 

[GoldenGail3]

Right, so is Poe Dameron nonstraight and can James Bond be black or blond?

I dunno about Poe Dameron actually - but I do like the idea of a black James Bond, it'd be a original idea, I suppose.

[Artona]

I have nothing against Poe being gay, but "lip-biting" argument doesn't convince me; I mean, I could do something like that and yet I'm not gay. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

This is better than TV. Anyway I think they should do better with sexuallity to be tastefully done with DA next time.

[GoldenGail3]

I have nothing against Poe being gay, but "lip-biting" argument doesn't convince me; I mean, I could do something like that and yet I'm not gay.

I dunno by this points - left Star Wars be Star Wars, I suppose, don't really know if I ship them or not to be honest.

[Witch Cocktor]

I have nothing against Poe being gay, but "lip-biting" argument doesn't convince me; I mean, I could do something like that and yet I'm not gay. 

truth

like seriously, people are always saying how a guy complimenting another guy for being handsome isnt gay

but then people do this

 

WHICH IS IT

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You are correct. It was Daniel Craig, the newest of the Bonds.

Out of all the James Bond series that man is the ****!!

[SnakeCode]

The race baiting troll is back. My girlfriend must have such low self esteem and self hatred, spending six years with evil whitey like me. Or is it me that has low self esteem? No, no.That would be racist.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The race baiting troll is back. My girlfriend must have such low self esteem and self hatred, spending six years with evil whitey like me. Or is it me that has low self esteem? No, no.That would be racist.

O﹏o

[GoldenGail3]

The race baiting troll is back. My girlfriend must have such low self esteem and self hatred, spending six years with evil whitey like me. Or is it me that has low self esteem? No, no.That would be racist.

Don't respond to him, he's not worth any of our time and energy.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Interestingly, I remembered an old thing I read in which the stageshow Harry Potter and the Cursed Child choose to cast a black actor as Hermione and J.K Rowling spoke up in defense of the decision and expressed her approval of the casting; "Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione"

 

 

 

I have nothing against Poe being gay, but "lip-biting" argument doesn't convince me; I mean, I could do something like that and yet I'm not gay. 

 

Next thing you know, two very good and close straight male friends are gay...Smh

[Shechinah]

I'm curious, would anyone be interested in a villain like Darth Sion with how he has this infatuation towards the female protagonist?
 
I felt it provided a neat insight into the character of Darth Sion while also adding an interesting aspect. He came to have unwanted feelings for  the Exile that he saw as weakness including one that could mean his death which is interesting given how Darth Sion's power worked. His hatred, as he saw it, towards the Exile was likely also because it was a reminder to him that he had managed to rid himself of all human aspects despite wanting to.  

 

Yet by the final confrontation between the two, he sought to kill the Exile because he thought he was saving them. He thought Kreia would destroy them and perhaps not in the sense of a physical death but the sense of the death of their person; she would destroy the person that was the Exile in his mind and so destroy what he had come to love.  
 
Darth Sion: "I hate you because you are beautiful to me, and in that weakness lies death"  
 
It was tragic, unsettling and altogether very fascinating to me. Depending on it would be executed, I would very much be interested in seeing something like this but perhaps include both genders.  

[GoldenGail3]

Ohh, he sounds cool, that Darth.

[SnakeCode]

Ohh, he sounds cool, that Darth.

 

This thread is a whirlwind. there's A few pages of peace then all hell breaks loose, then it calms down, then it decides to go places again. Rinse and repeat. A few people have tried to police the thread and failed, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

Edit- responded before you changed the post lol.

[GoldenGail3]

This thread is a whirlwind. there's A few pages of peace then all hell breaks loose, then it calms down, then it decides to go places again. Rinse and repeat. A few people have tried to police the thread and failed, I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Edit- responded before you changed the post lol.

Yeah, I just feel like so much headsmackeness right now... It's why I take days off of here, to clear my head. BSN can be very hard to keep up with at all times..

[OnePenguinNavy]

I'm not into interracial relationship personally and the reason why we date outside of our race simply because of self-hate.

so, since im a white guy who doesnt date white people its because i hate myself? or i hate white people in general?

[GoldenGail3]

so, since im a white guy who doesnt date white people its because i hate myself? or i hate white people in general?

No, you fed into him! DONT DO IT!

[Shechinah]

Ohh, he sounds cool, that Darth.

 
I certainly thought he was.
 
Despite the unfinished and unpolished state of the game, I felt it had a lot of good and neats ideas which was why it is disappointed that only so much of it managed to shone through because the potential for so much more were most certainly there. 

 

I think I once heard it said that Knights of the Old Republic II was a deconstruction of Star Wars tropes whereas Knights of the Old Republic was intended as a reconstruction of Star Wars tropes. This should not be taken as criticism towards one or the other of the two but as a way of explaining the differences between the two.
 
Of the characters I've roleplayed over the years, the Exile remains one of my indisputable favorites: She felt like a person with all the complexities and nuances of character that follows. It helped that the game tried to explore the effects that war has on a person but without trying to divide war and what it entails into light and dark, good or evil. It made for some very interesting oppertunities in terms of roleplaying though the revelation is difficult as it is an event that you should know but do not thereby leaving you to roleplay the effect of an event that you do not know.