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[In Exile]

According to Allan, something like you can bet that if everyone were bisexual, we would just only have 4 options instead of the amount that we have since it would cost as much to make them bisexual than to make another sexual orientation, although I don't personally agree with it since you don't need to make completely new scenes, new recording, new dialogue and a different character. Most of the bisexual scenes are identical. 

Character height and width. You have to hand-touch each scene just by swapping the model. A new race, even for an M/M romance, means retouching the scene. 

[Battlebloodmage]

There was a time that I wished all the characters were available to everyone because I felt it was the only way that characters I really wanted would be available to me, at least in the way I prefer to play. I wanted a Cass romance so much but after having the Sera romance my thoughts changed, I really appreciated the representation and really enjoyed Cass's friendship path. I may never have a character that is considered one of the main characters but the representation is more important to me now.

Now if I could just get the option to tell characters like Kaidan (damn sad puppy dog eyes) that I'm just not into men, I can avoid some uncomfortable conversations. Yeah, you too Alistair.

Yeah, but if they go with all bi again, we would only have 4 options, it would leave out a lot of people like Solas, Cullen, etc, if Allan's post were to be believed. Maybe Sera wouldn't even be an option, I guess. Probably due to the perception and how Bioware chooses their gay and straight characters, the people I want is always of the wrong sexuality like Alistair, Cullen, and Kaidan. In ME3, there is a lock in moment, so as long as you're in a relationship, it would automatically go into the friendship path. I'm not so certain about DAO, wouldn't romance only start if you flirt with them?

[Hellion Rex]

I think I'll always be curious how much people define their existence through their sexuality... sex is awesome, but honestly... every animal screws. 

 

I'd rather they expand specializations, classes, ability lists, racial options, skill lists and make them tied deeper into the story.

 

Jobs define us over a lot longer time than sexuality... and yet there are three jobs, with three variations of each job in Dragon Age.  

 

 

You know what.. I'd rather they work on having friendships.  You're still just in a working relationships with these people.

True. At the end of the day, if I get one LI I'm happy with, then I'm sold. I would like them to invest time in expanding things other than the romance options.

[Battlebloodmage]

Character height and width. You have to hand-touch each scene just by swapping the model. A new race, even for an M/M romance, means retouching the scene. 

I guess it would be more of a problem for DA, but then, there wasn't supposed to be playable races in DA, so I don't see how multiple races factor in the number of scenes. They just need to reangle to kiss, like how they did it with Kaidan and Shepard, although that was a terrible implementation considering how the cut out scenes from femShep for maleShep.

[Battlebloodmage]

True. At the end of the day, if I get one LI I'm happy with, then I'm sold. I would like them to invest time in expanding things other than the romance options.

I agree, but what are the chances if they keep sticking with a certain perceptions and stereotypes? They stated that they made the characters first before deciding their sexuality, with some obvious exceptions like Dorian. I just want to bring attention to the archetypes and perception, so that they are aware of it the next time they decide on character sexuality and the likes, so that there would be more variety in character archetype and their sexuality. 

[Catilina]

I think I'll always be curious how much people define their existence through their sexuality... sex is awesome, but honestly... every animal screws. 

 

I'd rather they expand specializations, classes, ability lists, racial options, skill lists and make them tied deeper into the story.

 

Jobs define us over a lot longer time than sexuality... and yet there are three jobs, with three variations of each job in Dragon Age.  

 

 

You know what.. I'd rather they work on having friendships.  You're still just in a working relationships with these people.

 

If we talk about romance, sexuality is not necessarily negligible.

[In Exile]

I guess it would be more of a problem for DA, but then, there wasn't supposed to be playable races in DA, so I don't see how multiple races factor in the number of scenes. They just need to reangle to kiss, like how they did it with Kaidan and Shepard, although that was a terrible implementation considering how the cut out scenes from femShep for maleShep.

 

That's work. The time Bioware employee spends doing that is time the same employee doesn't spend on some other scene. We don't know what the romance allocation was prior to the decision to have multiple races was like - the multiple races were announced before the first delay (or around the same time) and that may have been a while since it was known internally. 

 

The fact that there are multiple races means you have to animate multiple scenes. Epler worked OT (unpaid, I think) to expand the IB scenes, didn't he?

It's all opportunity cost. 

[Aren]

I forgot that the main reasons some players play the game are the romances not that i can blame them when the plots are so meh.

[Reznore57]

That's work. The time Bioware employee spends doing that is time the same employee doesn't spend on some other scene. We don't know what the romance allocation was prior to the decision to have multiple races was like - the multiple races were announced before the first delay (or around the same time) and that may have been a while since it was known internally. 

 

The fact that there are multiple races means you have to animate multiple scenes. Epler worked OT (unpaid, I think) to expand the IB scenes, didn't he?

It's all opportunity cost. 

 

Not sure Epler was unpaid , but he stayed long hours to finish all the race for the IB romance.

I've read Bioware try to not push for too much crunch time so it seems he just decided that on his own.

[Merela]

But then straight guys would complain about them not having an "option".

 

I wish Bioware will indeed break from their archetypes and stereotypes (I'm well aware of how much my sister hope to be able to romance a lady like Cass one day, and she's eagerly looking toward ME:A and DA4), however it's rather perplexing that you're implying that only straight boys would throw a fuss about having "no options" considering the staggering amount of biphobia from within the LGBTA+ community itself. Plenty of gay and lesbians players would be just as pissed about not having an "option" either, and some would react just as badly, since that kind of immaturity is saddly shared all across the human sexuality spectrum.

[Illyria]

That's work. The time Bioware employee spends doing that is time the same employee doesn't spend on some other scene. We don't know what the romance allocation was prior to the decision to have multiple races was like - the multiple races were announced before the first delay (or around the same time) and that may have been a while since it was known internally. 

 

The fact that there are multiple races means you have to animate multiple scenes. Epler worked OT (unpaid, I think) to expand the IB scenes, didn't he?

It's all opportunity cost. 

 

Bull was going to be a gated romance at first (human and qunari only).  Epler's hard work is the reason why he's ungated.

[Battlebloodmage]

I wish Bioware will indeed break from their archetypes and stereotypes (I'm well aware of how much my sister hope to be able to romance a lady like Cass one day, and she's eagerly looking toward ME:A and DA4), however it's rather perplexing that you're implying that only straight boys would throw a fuss about having "no options" considering the staggering amount of biphobia from within the LGBTA+ community itself. Plenty of gay and lesbians players would be just as pissed about not having an "option" either, and some would react just as badly, since that kind of immaturity is saddly shared all across the human sexuality spectrum.

I do know about it, there are a lot of people thinking bisexuals are just a stage and that people are just gay in denial, this is actually very common, even the supposed gay advocate like Dan Savage. I personally don't keep up too much with it since I identify more with my racial identity than my sexual identity. I was just going by the forum responses from various websites and things like that, and these complains are just happened to be more common among straight guys, but that is not to say gay guys and girls don't complain about bi. 

[Gilli]

I'm not so certain about DAO, wouldn't romance only start if you flirt with them?

 

Sadly not. My second Warden only flirted with Morrigan (his LI) but was best friends with Zevran.

 

Or so I thought.

 

Cause one time my Warden talks to Morrigan she's all "You're having an affair with the elf! Stop it at once!"

I sat there   /What???/ My Warden had never flirted with Zev, I was going by the DA wikia approval page and actively avoided his flirt lines as much as I could, but I still had to breakup with him, even tho there had never anything happened between the two.

[Illyria]

Sadly not. My second Warden only flirted with Morrigan (his LI) but was best friends with Zevran.

 

Or so I thought.

 

Cause one time my Warden talks to Morrigan she's all "You're having an affair with the elf! Stop it at once!"

I sat there   /What???/ My Warden had never flirted with Zev, I was going by the DA wikia approval page and actively avoided his flirt lines as much as I could, but I still had to breakup with him, even tho there had never anything happened between the two.

 

There's also Leliana's ninjamance bug where selecting the 'let's be friends' option is, due to a bug, the one that triggers her romance.

[Merela]

There's also Leliana's ninjamance bug where selecting the 'let's be friends' option is, due to a bug, the one that triggers her romance.

 

There are no ninjamances like the DA:O ninjamances.

[Dani100]

Yeah, but if they go with all bi again, we would only have 4 options, it would leave out a lot of people like Solas, Cullen, etc, if Allan's post were to be believed. Maybe Sera wouldn't even be an option, I guess. Probably due to the perception and how Bioware chooses their gay and straight characters, the people I want is always of the wrong sexuality like Alistair, Cullen, and Kaidan. In ME3, there is a lock in moment, so as long as you're in a relationship, it would automatically go into the friendship path. I'm not so certain about DAO, wouldn't romance only start if you flirt with them?

I may have done something wrong but my Shep was in a relationship with Liara from game one and still when Kaidan and Shep had their meal, he thought something was going on and my shep had to tell him she wasn't interested. She felt so bad too.

I'm not a very good gamer, so I blunder about.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I may have done something wrong but my Shep was in a relationship with Liara from game one and still when Kaidan and Shep had their meal, he thought something was going on and my shep had to tell him she wasn't interested. She felt so bad too.

I'm not a very good gamer, so I blunder about.

Were you locked in with Liara in ME3 when you had the meal scene with Kaidan? If not then the LIs who can have a romance initiated in ME3 think you are available. If you are locked in with someone else the scene is different and Kaidan never thinks there is something going on. 

 

[Gilli]

There's also Leliana's ninjamance bug where selecting the 'let's be friends' option is, due to a bug, the one that triggers her romance.

 

Ugh. That means I have to be even more careful

[Dani100]

Were you locked in with Liara in ME3 when you had the meal scene with Kaidan? If not then the LIs who can have a romance initiated in ME3 think you are available. If you are locked in with someone else the scene is different and Kaidan never thinks there is something going on. 
 
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That's awesome, I may have to try again, thanks.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's awesome, I may have to try again, thanks.

You're welcome. Glad I could help. 

[mb1619]

Isn't this just an extension of the gay KISA and gay badass threads? I do feel you that I would like to have that kind of character featured in a DA game- though he/she wouldn't necessarily have to be exclusively gay IMO, being bi is fine so long as it's established rather than being playersexual. Statistically speaking humans, warrior class, and those with noble or "respectable" backgrounds are more likely to be hetero-only romance options- in fact there hasn't been a human warrior romance option available to gay and lesbian players so far.

[Illyria]

Ugh. That means I have to be even more careful

 

The dialogue is after her personal quest and it's something like 'she was speical to you, wasn't she?'.  For some reason, this is a romance trigger line and the option to back out and say you're just friends is bugged and triggers the romance anyway.  Just stay away from that line and you'll be fine.  That's for an f!Warden anyway.  Might be different for an m!Warden.

[Battlebloodmage]

Isn't this just an extension of the gay KISA and gay badass threads? I do feel you that I would like to have that kind of character featured in a DA game- though he/she wouldn't necessarily have to be exclusively gay imo. Statistically speaking humans, warrior class, and those with noble or "respectable" backgrounds are more likely to be hetero-only romance options- in fact there hasn't been a human warrior romance option available to gay and lesbian players so far.

True, it doesn't necessary have to be gay, but it's appreciative for me since it would bring in some positive character traits for gay characters, we already have Kaidan, even though he was straight, that have the masculine everyday guy type for bisexual. Anyway, you are right about the prince charming and KISA types that are often straight, especially human males, so I really want a gay male KISA in the next game if possible, someone like Danse or Cullen in personality would be nice, or with a little humor like Alistair would be awesome as well. One of the things with gay romance is that they're oftne lacking in romance. I really want more romance in gay relationship in general. Iron Bull was very joke like while Dorian is riddled with angst and sex is more about no string attached. I would like to have a deep romantic relationship where the romance plays more of a forefront.

[BansheeOwnage]

Wow, lots of replies overnight!

 

 

 

To be fair, she's a lesbian, and she doesn't really attract to Cullen.

Haha, yeah, thanks for replying for me. I kind of forgot what my avatar was while I was writing that But yeah, I'm not actually attracted to Cullen, I just like the romance itself a lot.

[Battlebloodmage]

Wow, lots of replies overnight!

 

 

Haha, yeah, thanks for replying for me. I kind of forgot what my avatar was while I was writing that But yeah, I'm not actually attracted to Cullen, I just like the romance itself a lot.

No worry, we're in the same boat, except your Cullen is my Cassandra. Still, I'll sacrifice a bunny if I could romance Cullen though.