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[Catilina]

Still, I'll sacrifice a bunny if I could romance Cullen though.

 

 

Cole will not be pleased ...

[Battlebloodmage]

 

 

 

Cole will not be pleased ...

 

It's Bugs Bunny, you can't kill him.

[Witch Cocktor]

I'll sacrifice a Cole if I could romance Blackwall.

[Catilina]

I'll sacrifice a Cole if I could romance Blackwall.

With this you cut the Gordian knot. Cole is not worried more about the rabbit, so we can romance Cullen and Blackwall both.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

Also, all but one of the romancable bisexual women have prefered women (Josie is the exception, and Aveline is a non-romancable bi who seems to prefer men).

Huh, Aveline is bisexual? Was this confirmed?

 

Nah, that was just a joke. Anders was mage Alistair back then, remember?

Besides...

"Anders: "I'm not only a dwarf, I'm a moron! Listen to me fart!"
Oghren: "Oh no, big templar man! What are you going to do with that sword?"
Anders: Eww.
Oghren: Don't play with fire unless you want to get burned, son."

This guy definitely wasn't bisexual back in DAO:A.

No, it just means Oghren disgusts him, at least sexually. Bisexuals don't find everyone attractive, just like gay people don't find every person of the same sex attractive, just like straight people don't find every person of the opposite sex attractive.

 

The excuse that lesbians can't have a Jack or Cass because of stereotype wears very thin.

Yeah, the best way to go about it is just to have a lot of variety in the options, some gay Dorians, some gay Cullens, some straight Cassandras, some gay Jacks. If you have enough variety, the stereotypes sort themselves out.

 

That's work. The time Bioware employee spends doing that is time the same employee doesn't spend on some other scene. We don't know what the romance allocation was prior to the decision to have multiple races was like - the multiple races were announced before the first delay (or around the same time) and that may have been a while since it was known internally.

I know, I know, Bioware doesn't like work. But they should be able to have loads of options or loads of scenes in ME:A though. They should anyway, to make up for not having race-selection.

 

It would be better to have them both be bi.  Cass being in ladies would break the BW trend of butch women only being into men, and Josie is a very sweet and fairytale-like romance and it is fantastic that women get to experience a (non-het) romance like that.

See, this...

 

No worry, we're in the same boat, except your Cullen is my Cassandra. Still, I'll sacrifice a bunny if I could romance Cullen though.

...And this, is why I wish they'd just have sexually ambiguous characters that anyone could romance. There are so many people who absolutely love a character but they are unavailable, it makes me sad. They can still have plenty of straight and gay people/stories who aren't romance options. Besides, potentially having 4 bi people in a group doesn't break my suspension of disbelief nearly as much as tons of other things in these games, so I don't mind. It would probably help them avoid some stereotypes without even trying, too.

 

Anyway, high five

[Shechinah]

Nah, that was just a joke. Anders was mage Alistair back then, remember?

 
Part of why that exchange caused some people to wonder even back then if Anders might be bisexual was not only what he said but how he said it. It's not said in the usual joking tone of his and it is ambigous enough to be interpreted as a deadpanned, teasing or flirty response. To me personally, it sounds like a mixture of the latter two as it does not seem impassive enough to be the former.

Here's a video with the banter in question; it is at 3:24.

[Illyria]

Huh, Aveline is bisexual? Was this confirmed?

 

Aveline kisses Hawke at the end of her personal quest, if Hawke was attempting to romance her.

 

 
Part of why that exchange caused some people to wonder even back then if Anders might be bisexual was not only what he said but how he said it.

Here's a video with the banter in question; it is at 3:24.

 

Thanks for the audio.  It's a lot more flirty when you hear it rather than just read it.

[Steelcan]

I never took it as flirty, just teasing

[Shechinah]

I never took it as flirty, just teasing

 

Also a valid interpretation.

[BansheeOwnage]

Aveline kisses Hawke at the end of her personal quest, if Hawke was attempting to romance her.

Really? I did that and don't remember it. I mean, where did she kiss Hawke? The cheek? Forehead?

[Catilina]

Really? I did that and don't remember it. I mean, where did she kiss Hawke? The cheek? Forehead?

https://youtu.be/INGisqVaiUE

[Shechinah]

Aveline kisses Hawke's cheek if I remember correctly.

[Battlebloodmage]

Aveline kisses Hawke's cheek if I remember correctly.

I see it as her thanking Hawke, she can't reciprocate the feeling, so her kiss is just like a thank you. A kiss on the cheek doesn't really mean that they're attracted to that person. 

[Shechinah]

I see it as her thanking Hawke, she can't reciprocate the feeling, so her kiss is just like a thank you. A kiss on the cheek doesn't really mean that they're attracted to that person. 

 

I know, I was just answering BansheeOwnage's question  

A kiss on the cheek is ambigous and used plenty different even as a greeting.

 

As we are only discussing friendly and romantic intent, I'll narrow it down as such and say it can be done friendly and it can be romantically.

[Witch Cocktor]

I am warming up to everyone being bi option, but there's still too many problems that arise with it for me to agree that it'd be a good idea to go back to.

 

I'd rather have bi characters that are bi because they just are and were written that way, NOT because it's convenient for the player.

[BansheeOwnage]

https://youtu.be/INGisqVaiUE

 

Aveline kisses Hawke's cheek if I remember correctly.

 

I see it as her thanking Hawke, she can't reciprocate the feeling, so her kiss is just like a thank you. A kiss on the cheek doesn't really mean that they're attracted to that person. 

 

I know, I was just answering BansheeOwnage's question  

A kiss on the cheek is ambigous and used plenty different even as a greeting.

 

As we are only discussing friendly and romantic intent, I'll narrow it down as such and say it can be done friendly and it can be romantically.

Thanks, people. Still, I wouldn't say it's proof that Aveline is bi or attracted to Hawke either. Just a "thank you".

[BansheeOwnage]

I am warming up to everyone being bi option, but there's still too many problems that arise with it for me to agree that it'd be a good idea to go back to.

 

I'd rather have bi characters that are bi because they just are and were written that way, NOT because it's convenient for the player.

There are advantages to both approaches, and I've gone back and forth on the issue before. I just think one has slightly more than the other.

[Shechinah]

Thanks, people. Still, I wouldn't say it's proof that Aveline is bi or attracted to Hawke either. Just a "thank you".

 

I personally see Aveline's kiss on the cheek as being intentionally ambiguous by the writers; it is left to the individual players' interpretation what it meant. 
 

[BansheeOwnage]

I personally see Aveline's kiss on the cheek as being intentionally ambiguous by the writers; it is left to the individual players' interpretation what it meant. 
 

True, but if it's open to interpretation it can't really prove that she's bi, as someone thought it did.

[Catilina]

I personally see Aveline's kiss on the cheek as being intentionally ambiguous by the writers; it is left to the individual players' interpretation what it meant. 
 

I do not know the writers' intention, but I never saw on Aveline any romantic interest towards Hawke. She was like a sister.

[ModernAcademic]

/WTF is a KISA

[Shechinah]

/WTF is a KISA

 

Knight In Shining Armor.
 

[In Exile]

I do know about it, there are a lot of people thinking bisexuals are just a stage and that people are just gay in denial, this is actually very common, even the supposed gay advocate like Dan Savage. I personally don't keep up too much with it since I identify more with my racial identity than my sexual identity. I was just going by the forum responses from various websites and things like that, and these complains are just happened to be more common among straight guys, but that is not to say gay guys and girls don't complain about bi.

It's more insidious than just erasure. I don't exactly talk about it but you see it at two levels: some people do not think it's possible to be bi - especially to be a guy and bi. Assuming you get over that issue, people then cannot comprehend that simply being attract to some men doesn't mean 1) being attracted to all men and women and 2) being attracted the men and women you (using the general you here) think are attractive.

But I totally lost the thread now.

[Jedi Comedian]

Now that I think of it, maybe going back to the DA2 system could be the best solution to break stereotypes: Fenris, Anders, Merrill and Aveline are not promiscuous nor stereotyped in any way I can think of. I know some prefer set sexualities and I don't blame them, but if I had to choose I would rather have 4 chars romanceable by either gender if that means no stereotypes will be present (I don't care about Isabela's promiscuity, as we had in DA2 many non-promiscuous bi LIs as well).

[GoldenGail3]

       

 

Meh.