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[Patricia08]

 

I was wondering the following thing is the language and then i mean cursing that they use in Inquisition realistic for the time period. Because i asked my grandfather a couple of days ago if they used the word s*** and f*** when he was growing up and he said no he never heard those words and so he never used them as well when he was little and growing up. But he did not grew up in an English speaking country so i ask the English speaking people here on this forum who live in England or Canada or America or another English speaking country if your grandparents ( if you still have them of course  ) ever used the f word or the s word in their youth. And i know that that is not realistic either when you would ask your grandparents because Inquisition is way further back in the past.  But i cannot believe they used that kind of language in that time period but maybe i am wrong. Because i heard Dorian used the f word in the game and i heard the s word also a couple of times.

 

P.s. i bet this topic will not last long so please keep it as civilised as possible.

 

So thoughts anyone ?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Yes, people in the Middle Ages used those words. The first recorded use of f*** to refer to sex dates back to 1373, and s*** dates back to Old Norse. However, prior to 1960 or it was a lot rarer for people to write down anything they regarded as a swear word because there was a lot more censorship of various kinds. Doesn't mean people didn't yell profanities when they dropped hammers on their feet.

 

In regards to my grandparents, I'm Australian, so I feel my answer I would skew the results. F*** is less an offensive word and more a form of punctuation where I'm from. I gather that Canada isn't that different in this respect.

 

As for Thedas - keep in mind that it isn't actually much like Medieval Europe outside of the trappings of swords and castles. There are a lot of important social differences.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Those words have been used for centuries here in the UK.  They're historically accurate. 

[Abyss108]

Yup, these are very common (I'm from the UK).

[Donk]

 

 

I was wondering the following thing is the language and then i mean cursing that they use in Inquisition realistic for the time period. Because i asked my grandfather a couple of days ago if they used the word s*** and f*** when he was growing up and he said no he never heard those words and so he never used them as well when he was little and growing up. But he did not grew up in an English speaking country so i ask the English speaking people here on this forum who live in England or Canada or America or another English speaking country if your grandparents ( if you still have them of course  ) ever used the f word or the s word in their youth. And i know that that is not realistic either when you would ask your grandparents because Inquisition is way further back in the past.  But i cannot believe they used that kind of language in that time period but maybe i am wrong. Because i heard Dorian used the f word in the game and i heard the s word also a couple of times.

 

P.s. i bet this topic will not last long so please keep it as civilised as possible.

 

So thoughts anyone ?

 

 

Um, keep in mind. Thedas isn't the real world so those rules wouldn't apply, regardless.

[MrGDL87]

I think using cursing in Inquisition (or any other game really) is fine as long as it isn't too excessive and fits their character/situation. People shouldn't really be surprised about the bad language in Inquisition because it has the "bad language" icon in the rating section. I can understand that not everyone wants to hear this type of language but they should realise that Inquisition was made with a mature audience in mind. It depends on the characters as well, I would expect characters like Iron Bull and Varric to swear because of their laid back attitude but if Merrill started F'ing and blinding then that might've been a stretch.

 

Anyway, I think Thedas has it's own curse words (if I'm remembering this correctly, I'm sure Dorian and Calpernia both curse in Tevinter) so maybe Bioware will focus on the Thedas curse words rather than ours in the future. Personally, I've no problem with it.

 

BTW I'm an English guy and my grandparents definitely swore back in the day . 

[Patricia08]

Yes, people in the Middle Ages used those words. The first recorded use of f*** to refer to sex dates back to 1373, and s*** dates back to Old Norse. However, prior to 1960 or it was a lot rarer for people to write down anything they regarded as a swear word because there was a lot more censorship of various kinds. Doesn't mean people didn't yell profanities when they dropped hammers on their feet.

 

In regards to my grandparents, I'm Australian, so I feel my answer I would skew the results. F*** is less an offensive word and more a form of punctuation where I'm from. I gather that Canada isn't that different in this respect.

 

As for Thedas - keep in mind that it isn't actually much like Medieval Europe outside of the trappings of swords and castles. There are a lot of important social differences.

 

I know that and there are a lot off other things in Inquisition that is total fantasy. 

[ArcadiaGrey]

I think using cursing in Inquisition (or any other game really) is fine as long as it isn't too excessive and fits their character/situation. People shouldn't really be surprised about the bad language in Inquisition because it has the "bad language" icon in the rating section. I can understand that not everyone wants to hear this type of language but they should realise that Inquisition was made with a mature audience in mind. It depends on the characters as well, I would expect characters like Iron Bull and Varric to swear because of their laid back attitude but if Merrill started F'ing and blinding then that might've been a stretch.

 

Anyway, I think Thedas has it's own curse words (if I'm remembering this correctly, I'm sure Dorian and Calpernia both curse in Tevinter) so maybe Bioware will focus on the Thedas curse words rather than ours in the future. Personally, I've no problem with it.

 

BTW I'm an English guy and my grandparents definitely swore back in the day . 

 

I found the occasional f-bomb to be appropriate in DAI.  If my character said it it was because she was super frustrated, and she didn't do it much so it had more impact when she did.  I think they balanced it well.

 

It felt realistic to me,  I never felt like it was done for the sake of it, but only when it was fitting for the character.

 

I love the made up swear words too, they're pretty cool.

[Patricia08]

I think using cursing in Inquisition (or any other game really) is fine as long as it isn't too excessive and fits their character/situation. People shouldn't really be surprised about the bad language in Inquisition because it has the "bad language" icon in the rating section. I can understand that not everyone wants to hear this type of language but they should realise that Inquisition was made with a mature audience in mind. It depends on the characters as well, I would expect characters like Iron Bull and Varric to swear because of their laid back attitude but if Merrill started F'ing and blinding then that might've been a stretch.

 

Anyway, I think Thedas has it's own curse words (if I'm remembering this correctly, I'm sure Dorian and Calpernia both curse in Tevinter) so maybe Bioware will focus on the Thedas curse words rather than ours in the future. Personally, I've no problem with it.

 

BTW I'm an English guy and my grandparents definitely swore back in the day . 

 

Okay 

[Patricia08]

Um, keep in mind. Thedas isn't the real world so those rules wouldn't apply, regardless.

 

I know that Donk i know.

[Cute Nug]

The Herald at times seemed like they were Tranquil reacting to all the stupidity in Thedas in the main game. Some actual emotions expressed with appropriately used curse words would have been appreciated.

 

A growing world ending skyhole is threatening all of Thedas and the organizations that should be helping are to busy with their petty problems to help. I had no respect for the Herald of Andraste that didn't at least comment why they weren't reacting to the stupidity of Thedas in DAI.

 

You can't tell the Grey Wardens they are being tricked by a evil cultist working for the proto-darkspawn magister they had secretly imprisoned until you lay siege to them and kill a bunch of them just to talk to them. You have dead Inquisition soldiers all around you because of epic Grey Spawn stupidity. There should have been quite a bit of cursing at that point.

 

The Orlesion royals won't help with the world ending skyhole and fight against the Second Sin proto-darkspawn magister until they slowly first get around to throwing an elaborate party to decide what useless twit will rule Orlais and we have no comments on their utter stupidity. Technically their actions are a big F you to Orlais but no one responds.

 

Mages and/or templars are needed to close the skyhole threatening to end the world and nobody helps. The Grey Wardens, Qunari, Tevinter, "loyal" mages, and "loyal" templars are all useless. You have to go beg help from the rebel mages and rebel templars. The rebel mages won't help at all until you risk walking into a trap to kill you and defeat their current employer/master. The rebel templars won't help fight magic threatening the world until you kill their red lyrium affected leadership. How does the soulless shard humping Herald of Andraste have no swear words after dealing with this!

[Medhia_Nox]

I could have appreciated more: 

"You're a real a-hole Solas."

"Hey Solas, f--- you." 

"So, you were too much of a b---h to make your Magic 8 Ball come to life so you had to use a Magister." 

"Suck a bag of d---- Solas."  

 

Yeah, definitely needed more swearing.

[Ghost Gal]

The only words I find misplaced are:

 

1) Varric exclaiming "Jeez!" at one point, since that's a corruption of "Jesus!", who doesn't exist in Thedas. They have Andraste.

 

2) Varric commenting that Cassandra is "crusading" (as in searching/fighting for a holy cause), since they don't have Crusades in Thedas; they have "Exalted Marches."

 

Otherwise, yeah, base curse words like sh-t and f-ck and whatnot are Old and Middle English words that were actually used in medieval times.

[nightscrawl]

The only words I find misplaced are:

 

1) Varric exclaiming "Jeez!" at one point, since that's a corruption of "Jesus!", who doesn't exist in Thedas. They have Andraste.

 

2) Varric commenting that Cassandra is "crusading" (as in searching/fighting for a holy cause), since they don't have Crusades in Thedas; they have "Exalted Marches."

 

Otherwise, yeah, base curse words like sh-t and f-ck and whatnot are Old and Middle English words that were actually used in medieval times.

 

I think these two examples are likely something that the devs just didn't consider, since those are common words today. I didn't know that "jeez" was a corruption of Jesus. "Crusading" is a bit more iffy, but I still think that this applies.

 

I try to be aware of this myself when writing fanfic. For example, you would not call the physical feature an "Adam's apple" because Adam did not exist in Thedas, or reference the "Cupid's bow" of the upper lip, or say that something is one's "cross to bear." I also never use a more modern sounding word like "girl/boyfriend" unless I've heard it in the actual game.

[CoM Solaufein]

Fooking shite I tell ya.

[straykat]

I don't mind it. But I think alternatives are just as cool..maybe even better.. Like dwarves saying "sod".

[Ms. Sarsaparilla]

As the others have said, these words are not as out-of-place as they may appear.

 

"Nug-humper," however, will always be my favorite curse word.

[BansheeOwnage]

I think these two examples are likely something that the devs just didn't consider, since those are common words today. I didn't know that "jeez" was a corruption of Jesus. "Crusading" is a bit more iffy, but I still think that this applies.

 

I try to be aware of this myself when writing fanfic. For example, you would not call the physical feature an "Adam's apple" because Adam did not exist in Thedas, or reference the "Cupid's bow" of the upper lip, or say that something is one's "cross to bear." I also never use a more modern sounding word like "girl/boyfriend" unless I've heard it in the actual game.

I think of these things too, but then when I do it far enough I just realize that tons of it doesn't work because it's based on Latin words that never existed in Thedas to begin with. So even though some things are obviously ill-fitting, most things are less-obviously ill-fitting anyway. You can't really have a real language in a fictional universe and have it make 100% sense.

 

Anyway, for the topic, I don't mind it as long as it's used sparingly for emotional moments, otherwise it feels cheap and comes off as making the game Darker and Edgier because it's Rated M for Money (this happened in ME and DA to some extent). Dorian's use was fine, though most of Bull's and Blackwall's just made me roll my eyes. I similarly hope it's used extremely sparingly for the protagonist, as it's one of the things that gives me huge disconnects with my characters when it happens.

[lynroy]

Anyway, for the topic, I don't mind it as long as it's used sparingly for emotional moments, otherwise it feels cheap and comes off as making the game Darker and Edgier because it's Rated M for Money (this happened in ME and DA to some extent). Dorian's use was fine, though most of Bull's and Blackwall's just made me roll my eyes. I similarly hope it's used extremely sparingly for the protagonist, as it's one of the things that gives me huge disconnects with my characters when it happens.

This. So much this.

[nightscrawl]

I think of these things too, but then when I do it far enough I just realize that tons of it doesn't work because it's based on Latin words that never existed in Thedas to begin with. So even though some things are obviously ill-fitting, most things are less-obviously ill-fitting anyway. You can't really have a real language in a fictional universe and have it make 100% sense.
 
Anyway, for the topic, I don't mind it as long as it's used sparingly for emotional moments, otherwise it feels cheap and comes off as making the game Darker and Edgier because it's Rated M for Money (this happened in ME and DA to some extent). Dorian's use was fine, though most of Bull's and Blackwall's just made me roll my eyes. I similarly hope it's used extremely sparingly for the protagonist, as it's one of the things that gives me huge disconnects with my characters when it happens.

 
Well, that's why I used the examples I gave, since there are well-known names in there. I wasn't necessarily referring to all etymology for everything. For something like the Cupid's bow, I simply use "archer's bow" instead, since the point is the bow shape.

I thought Dorian's use of "the f word" was the most fitting and it was quite powerful in the scene. I liked Blackwall's first use in referring to the Warden and the Blight, but perhaps that was because it was so referential to events my own PC experienced. Those are actually the only two I'm familiar with as I don't take Iron Bull anywhere (on those plays I actually recruit him). However, I have to at least thank Bull for being able to use "boyfriend," since he uses "girlfriend" in a banter with Varric in referring to Bianca.

There are some words I've thought were more modern, like "sweetheart" and "hi," that I've been surprised to learn were centuries old. I did use "hangover" on one occasion, and that is pretty new (1890s Americanism), but I fudged it because I couldn't think of anything similar. If I knew the British English phrase for that I probably would have used that instead.

[straykat]

 There are some words I've thought were more modern, like "sweetheart" and "hi," that I've been surprised to learn were centuries old. I did use "hangover" on one occasion, and that is pretty new (1890s Americanism), but I fudged it because I couldn't think of anything similar. If I knew the British English phrase for that I probably would have used that instead.

 

I can't, for the life of me, find other words for it. But it's been a reality since time began, of course. Might as well use it.

[KaiserShep]

Anyway, for the topic, I don't mind it as long as it's used sparingly for emotional moments, otherwise it feels cheap and comes off as making the game Darker and Edgier because it's Rated M for Money (this happened in ME and DA to some extent). Dorian's use was fine, though most of Bull's and Blackwall's just made me roll my eyes. I similarly hope it's used extremely sparingly for the protagonist, as it's one of the things that gives me huge disconnects with my characters when it happens.

 

 

I did very much enjoy all the times the Inquisitor can say "Well, sh*t", like during Vivienne and Solas' personal quests. I feel it's the only line worthy of saying there XD. It's almost as much the Inquisitor's phrase as it is Varric's at that point. 

[BansheeOwnage]

 
Well, that's why I used the examples I gave, since there are well-known names in there. I wasn't necessarily referring to all etymology for everything. For something like the

For some reason your quote is all messed up, but:

 

I hope I wasn't coming off as though you shouldn't be mindful of the origins of the words you use, in fact, I applaud it. I was mostly just thinking outloud about what happens if you go into it too much

 

I did very much enjoy all the times the Inquisitor can say "Well, sh*t", like during Vivienne and Solas' personal quests. I feel it's the only line worthy of saying there XD. It's almost as much the Inquisitor's phrase as it is Varric's at that point. 

This is another case of "Inaccurate paraphrasing strikes again!" unfortunately. I ended up picking this line by accident in the fade in my first playthrough, since the paraphrase was "Oh crap."

 

I think it's important to expressly label a paraphrase where your character will curse accurately, lest these things happen. Fortunately, the one in Trespasser was blatantly obvious, so hopefully that will keep happening.

 

Also, paraphrasing in general needs to be better, but the problem could be solved completely if they gave us the ability to preview the entire line if we hover over the paraphrase for long enough. I liked that I'd know exactly what my Warden would say ahead of time.

[Ghost Gal]

I think these two examples are likely something that the devs just didn't consider, since those are common words today. I didn't know that "jeez" was a corruption of Jesus. "Crusading" is a bit more iffy, but I still think that this applies.

 

I try to be aware of this myself when writing fanfic. For example, you would not call the physical feature an "Adam's apple" because Adam did not exist in Thedas, or reference the "Cupid's bow" of the upper lip, or say that something is one's "cross to bear." I also never use a more modern sounding word like "girl/boyfriend" unless I've heard it in the actual game.

 

This amateur linguist and Middle English scholar approves! ^^

 

I don't mind it. But I think alternatives are just as cool..maybe even better.. Like dwarves saying "sod".

 

I think some alternatives are cool (like the aforementioned "sod") but others aren't.

 

Especially "Maker," "Andraste," and all epithets that incorporate those words. To me, those words sound really clunky and awkward. The words "God" and "Jesus" are really short and quick and roll off the tongue, and using them in epithets like "Oh God!" or "Sweet Jesus!" kind of flow off the tongue and comes out like a quick puff of air.

 

Exclamations like: "Oh G-d!"  "Oh Sweet Jesus!"  "By G-d!"  "G-d@mmit!"  "Jesus Christ!" or "Oh, for G-d's sake!" etc are short and quick.

 

Exclamations like, "Oh Maker!"  "Sweet Andraste!"  "By the Maker!"  "Maker-d*mmit!" "By Andraste's flaming sword / left butt-cheek" (although that one is pretty funny) or "For the Maker's sake!" just doesn't flow nicely.

 

The vowels and consonants sound clunky and awkward, and to be honest the same exclamations that are supposed to let one release some tension and frustration with words (some linguists say "f*ck" is a popular curse word because the "fffff" sound lets you force air through your upper teeth over your lower lip, and the "uuuhck" sound let you quickly empty your lungs, which lets off some tension) doesn't work. These words and exclamations are actually so long and awkwardly structured that I actually get more frustrated exclaiming things like, "Maker-d*mn it" than if I'd just said "G-d d*mn it!"

 

Even positive expressions like "Thank G-d!" or "Oh, thank Jesus!" or "God wills it," doesn't sound quite as good when it's "Thank the Maker!" or "Thank the Creators!" or "Thank Andraste!" or "The Maker wills it" or "The Creators will it."

 

Just... not for me. I really find it awkward and dissatisfying.

[BansheeOwnage]

Well, some like simply exclaiming "Maker!" as Cullen does work fine. Although whenever I hear "Thank the Maker!" I sometimes think of C-3PO, and when Threepio says it in Star Wars I always think of Dragon Age