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[The Ascendant]

Yeah, I was always felt abit disappointed that we never really got to see much of the MW outside of the Council space/reaper influenced parts of the MW. I always wondered what else might be lurking in our own galaxy ingame.

 

It does leave the door wide open in terms of the circumstances behind the exodus of the expedition. It could be that the expedition was launched before the ending of the trilogy, but it could just as easily be post victory/defeat of the reapers, the event of which awakened or drew the attention of, something else. The possibilities are quite exciting either way.

 

OT: I really do hope we get to make the choice between colonisers and conquerors. Would be fun to have that done and done well.

Considering that we are the 'aliens', this time it could set up interesting situations. What happens if you encounter a primitive or non space faring species? You are their first encounter with an extraterrestrial. How do you proceed? Do you act as the Protheans or Salarians? Or just leave them alone? Or encounter more advanced races? Do you offer an olive branch or a point a gun? 

[Wulfram]

I'd like to see a story about conquest, but knowing BioWare, it's probably going to be an allegory of the European refugee crisis, with the humans being the refugees of course, cause we're totally always the good guys.

Hard to do that and also have us shoot lots of guys

Also the implied moral of Trespasser was basically "don't hire oppressed minorities, they're probably terrorists or planning to destroy the world", so I wouldn't count on a "progressive" message

[KaiAdamori]

Considering that we are the 'aliens', this time it could set up interesting situations. What happens if you encounter a primitive or non space faring species? You are their first encounter with an extraterrestrial. How do you proceed? Do you act as the Protheans or Salarians? Or just leave them alone? Or encounter more advanced races? Do you offer an olive branch or a point a gun? 

 

With the primitive example, I personally would go the "Leave em the F alone!" route but that may be my memory of star trek handling it that way when I watched it as a young'un. It would be a great way of engagin us as players on the subject (especially if they happen to be sitting on something we need!) We get to do alot of backseat driving, in ME trilogy, in regards to Salarian uplifting of Krogans. Being the ones having to make that choice and face possible outcomes further down the road would really engage me to be honest.

 

Same with advanced race scenario. Only it feels alittle bit more clear cut in my mind. Poke a bear with a stick and expect to be mauled!

 

BW would have to be thinking about current world affairs and approaching the premise with some sensitivity, if they get it just slightly wrong the backlash could be scary. Which is a pity, but people really do get riled up something fierce pretty easily these days.

 

Still hoping for imperialist action and consequences though.

[EpicNewb]

Conquest

 

Ruling over foreign galaxy aliens and making them tools to achieve our vision is different and exciting.

 

In the trilogy we were taught to hate Cerberus because they were supremacist.

 

Imperialism is seen as taboo in our soft azz politically correct society.

 

Humans are innocent and simply fighting off invading aliens is an overdone cliche theme.  I much rather be apart of another Contact War where we genocide the foreign alien race.

 

Arrival, where we wrongfully sacrificed an alien race to protect ours, was much more interesting than the majority of missions in the trilogy.

 

Simply put exploration and seizing discovered resources is American.

[Silvery]

I would imagine that Bioware would try to balance these two things. If the whole game was cooperation then that defeats a lot of the friction of being in a new galaxy and dealing with the natives. I do not think I have to explain why going all in on the conquest scenario would be bad. I would imagine that Bioware would make some of the Andromeda species peaceful who want to co-exist, others who want all out war and then some who would be in between. I would imagine it would also be impacted by if they have any kind of 'council' type deal or if everyone is independent of each other.  Also what each species individual tech level and progress of civilization would be.

[Panda]

I'd like if there was possibility for both in the game. You don't always want to play the good guy- maybe you can't be a villain, but it'd be nice to be at least anti-heroic character like renegade Shepard.

 

And some grey areas would be nice like maybe our crew is dying in hunger and planet of aliens completely refuses to cooperate so you have to choice of losing some of the crew or attack them and steal their resources.

[Laughing_Man]

Arrival, where we wrongfully sacrificed an alien race to protect ours, was much more interesting than the majority of missions in the trilogy.

 

There was nothing wrong about that, it was a difficult decision and a difficult position, and railroading by the writers prevented you from trying to save anyone on the planet, but the simple truth is, that in order to stop a galactic threat like the Reapers (even just delay them in a year), the lives on one planet are an acceptable cost.

 

Hell, a realistic scenario would have seen the alliance and the citadel races blowing up more relays in systems where there was a large concentration of Reapers both in order to destroy as many of them as possible and in order to delay them further.

[Halfdan The Menace]

A combination of both perhaps. Empires were built on blood, sweat and tears of those who involved. Mainly exploitation, which is not limited to slavery, but of course can include it. Take it from Rome, started as a Republic before it was a powerful Empire. Rome controlled over two million square miles stretching from Britannia all the way to Asia Minor.

[Boost32]

Vote Trump.

I'm not American.

And what Trump has to do with conquering aliens?

[Quarian Master Race]

Pretty sure Bioware isn't going to set out to make "Ethnic Cleasing: the Game". I'm actually quite curious to see how Bioware will pull this off without having the whole thing descend into a moral parable about the evils of imperialism or just be rife with unfortunate implications. 

My prediction is that they're going the simple route to sidestep this issue, making the Andromedan aliens (Khet?) a bunch of violent xenophobes who unprovokedly attack us on site for whatever dumb reasons, and thereby justify us defending ourselves. That one leak that described their appearance as a cross between vorcha and collectors (which would fit with the silhouettes we saw in the E3 trailer) makes me think any sympathy for them isn't the idea here.

But yeah, people expecting to play an aggressively racist space conquistador are almost certainly going to be disappointed. That's not Biower's schtick, it's the white knight paladin/hero/messiah character.

[The Real Pearl #2]

I want to exterminate an entire species like we did in ME3 with the quarians.

[Laughing_Man]

I want to exterminate an entire species like we did in ME3 with the quarians.

 

You reminded me of that hippy Robot from Fallout 4 - Professor Goodfeels, if you put him to guard mode, he goes: "Exterminate!... Exterminate!..."

With a voice that sounds high on... something...

[Giantdeathrobot]

My prediction is that they're going the simple route to sidestep this issue, making the Andromedan aliens (Khet?) a bunch of violent xenophobes who unprovokedly attack us on site for whatever dumb reasons, and thereby justify us defending ourselves. That one leak that described their appearance as a cross between vorcha and collectors (which would fit with the silhouettes we saw in the E3 trailer) makes me think any sympathy for them isn't the idea here.

But yeah, people expecting to play an aggressively racist space conquistador are almost certainly going to be disappointed. That's not Biower's schtick, it's the white knight paladin/hero/messiah character.

 

Given that we could genocide entire species in Mass Effect, I'm not sure that's a line they're not willing to cross.

[The Real Pearl #2]

You reminded me of that hippy Robot from Fallout 4 - Professor Goodfeels, if you put him to guard mode, he goes: "Exterminate!... Exterminate!..."

With a voice that sounds high on... something...

it's a reference to doctor who

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[The_Nightman_Cometh]

damn it pearl.... I am out of Likes for today ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just saw that episode 2 nights ago for the 1st time.  

 

What are you people talking about?   What exactly do you expect from the information that has already been confirmed?.... The milky way is trashed... we need a new home.. andromeda fits our criteria..... we go there.....something obviously happens... we then proceed to systematically  wipe out all indigenous populations so we can then claim their native planets as our new homes.....while also at the same time...maintaining the fact that we are the good guys in this situation. I don't see a problem here.

[ZipZap2000]

I want to exterminate an entire species like we did in ME3 with the quarians.

Vote Trump.

[von uber]

The following data log was found by L'tkzhzs v'h'hjk of the 7th Inner Circle. I, T'Pal v'tyuuu of the Enlightened have translated it. Glory to the Emperor.

Cycle 1. Successful landing on L-P54. No sign of sentient life. Have begun off loading vital material ... some.. off to the far side of the rim.
Cycle 12. Scouts returned today reporting evidence of... ffbcfd... sent Cmdr Reeder with 6 men.. ffj. Dd...
Cycle .?. Main fabricaton units are online. A peaceful delegation from the primitive.. .. ffzzzzz.. begun to fraternise.. Cmdr Ryydder has been seen.. .c.f.daaaaaa.. asari with large... qqoqooq..... over backwards.
Cycle 56. 4 more reported sick today. We are running out of beds in the sick bay, have.. hh... but no time. Cmdr Re.. exterminate. .. dsass. .. buried under Hill 31.
Cycle 80. Half the colony is dead or dtbfgggg. The remaining healthy are to.. oooszz... .. ffwwewe. Horrible death, we have no... ffdfddd.
Cycle 82. The end.. dssss. ... .... ordered remaining bodies burnt. Only 3 active are reminaaaaaaing on duty for. . Ddd.. starchild. . Fgg.
Cycle 90. Marie. Don't forget me.

We have traced their route back to their origin. Given their susceptibility to the Vraaaan virus we anticipate 6 K'orrc cruisers can deliver an effective payload to achieve a 95% casualty rate in 3 months. Glory to the Emperor! Cleanse the heathen! Purge the heretic!

[goofyomnivore]

Grunt said it best.. offer one hand and arm the other..

[SKAR]

I'm from buenos aires and i say kill them all!

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nice!

[SKAR]

I believe the MW races are way more civilized than those euros.

[ArabianIGoggles]

it's a reference to doctor who

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I wondered what the point of that thing was.  Set it to "exterminate" and never go back to that crappy settlement.

[Eelectrica]

Probably be like a bunch of people moving into a new area looking to buy a house... or planet in this case and earn our keep. At the start anyway. Then big bad will come in and try to blow the natives house down. We'll save the day and be heroes the rest of the way.

Bonus points if their is a prophecy teĺling of strangers who come from a far away land fleeing a great evil who come to save the day.

[Sartoz]

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There will be  enough habitable planets with no indigenous populations to colonize.

 

My take, from a plot perspective, is that  once we arrive in the cluster, colonizing a planet becomes an imperative priority. With internal food and water resources rapidly dwindling, exploration to find a suitable planet(s) is key to survival. Reading the leaked info, suggests that our early decisions affect our status later on in the game. This alone tells me that  colonizing a habitable and rich resource world will allow us to grow both our population and industry to meet potential new threats in the cluster.

 

Making allies and co-operation with indigenous populations makes us stronger when we do meet the Khet.
 

[GDICanuck]

There are times when the annihilation of aliens is acceptable.

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[Sylvius the Mad]

Pretty sure Bioware isn't going to set out to make "Ethnic Cleasing: the Game". I'm actually quite curious to see how Bioware will pull this off without having the whole thing descend into a moral parable about the evils of imperialism or just be rife with unfortunate implications.

It could be that we simply won't be in a position where we get to make that decision.