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[Mikoto8472]

Neither.

 

Because the combination of Elizia Surana, Sophie Hawke, Natasha Trevelyan, plus Varric, Cassandra and Iron Bull is enough to kill any demon.

[Jedi Comedian]

I would leave both of them.

There can only be one badass MC.

[Sah291]

Well, my Hawke is the only one left with an LI who would actually care if he died... Out of the 3 protagonists, I don't really want any of them to die exactly...but I'm okay with The Warden or Inquisitor dying, and it wouldn't be too surprising given their story arcs. But probably not in that situation. My Warden is on borrowed time and will probably die for this cure she is working on. And the Inquisitor is the idealistic type, so she will probably get herself killed or martyred somehow eventually.

[Vanilka]

Neither. My Inquisitor would call the 3 companions back to help fight the ugly thing along with Hawke and Warden. Excellent

 

This is what I think every time I get to that part. Instead of bickering who the hell's more responsible, we could, I don't know, DO SOMETHING about the situation at hand.

[Lezio]

Eh, if demons draw strength from the living, i'd say that killing a demon of fear would be quite freaking hard since even the most brainwashed Qunari fears something

A fascinating concept, really, i hope we see it again in DA4

[Knight of Dane]

Hawke almost always, since it wouldn't actually be my Warden. It would be Bioware's poor attempt to model him/her which they could never fairly succeed in, so no feelings there.

[German Soldier]

Neither. My Inquisitor would call the 3 companions back to help fight the ugly thing along with Hawke and Warden. Excellent

In doing so the demon would likely kill the 3 of them togheter.

[German Soldier]

This is what I think every time I get to that part. Instead of bickering who the hell's more responsible, we could, I don't know, DO SOMETHING about the situation at hand.

There is nothing that can be done other than escape and in order to escape 1 sacrifice is a must.

[MCG]

Hmm, this is interesting. I feel like Hawke would have been the one to stay behind like he did in my canon tale, it fitting him as a character to sacrifice himself for the greater good. He spent his whole life protecting his sister and the eventually the citizens of Kirkwall so dying to enable the Grey Warden and Inquisitor to survive suits. As badass as my Grey Warden is, he wouldn't die so another could live so willingly, especially seeing as he has Morrigan and his son to live for and protect whilst being alive unlike Hawke who in my mind saw the greater picture.

[themikefest]

In doing so the demon would likely kill the 3 of them togheter.

You mean Warden, Hawke and Inquisitorr? Why those three? Couldn't the 3 companions be killed instead?

 

As far as anyone being killed. There's no way to know for sure, if all 6 are fighting the thing.

[Vanilka]

There is nothing that can be done other than escape and in order to escape 1 sacrifice is a must.

 

I disagree. For the demon to appear in the last five seconds just to block the exit already feels cheap. The fact they go straight to sacrificing somebody as their first choice and have enough time to stand around and argue about it instead of developing a quick plan or strategy how to get out of there alive together is kind of ridiculous. Nobody says they have to kill the demon. Working together on distracting it and getting around it would be enough. It's not like there's time limit on it. The tear in the Veil is too small for the demon to get out anyway.

 

But I don't have a problem with it if you think so. We all have our opinion and that is fine. And it's not like we can go back and test it. But I, personally, definitely don't see it as a must, aside from the fact the game forces me to choose, and I think that some of the best and brightest in Thedas can do better than just throw one of theirs to the wolves just because a single enemy's blocking the exit. They didn't even try doing anything else before making that sort of decision. There was no trying and failing. Let's just say I believe in trying.

[Forsythia77]

I don't think I'd leave my Amell Miss Hills (Hillary) in the fade.  I'd leave Ariana Cousland in the fade though.  She was tough enough to lop off a lot of spider legs and survive most likely.  I'm loath to leave Hawke in the fade.  Poor girl has been through enough. 

[German Soldier]

You mean Warden, Hawke and Inquisitorr? Why those three? Couldn't the 3 companions be killed instead?

 

As far as anyone being killed. There's no way to know for sure, if all 6 are fighting the thing.

Someone has to die because is a bait, if all together are fighting the thing with the purpose of defeating it then they will be all killed since the nightmare is a spirit who grow with the power of 5 blights and of Corypheus,in its domain is virtually invincible.

 

I disagree. For the demon to appear in the last five seconds just to block the exit already feels cheap. The fact they go straight to sacrificing somebody as their first choice and have enough time to stand around and argue about it instead of developing a quick plan or strategy how to get out of there alive together is kind of ridiculous. Nobody says they have to kill the demon. Working together on distracting it and getting around it would be enough. It's not like there's time limit on it. The tear in the Veil is too small for the demon to get out anyway.

 

 

The spirit always focalized its attention to the group,that Hawke and the other warden were arguing doesn't change anything since up to that point they were not attempting to escape,the spirit could have used that fragment of time to attack them but that's all.

The exit was guarded and someone had to remain and occupy the spirit as a bait because otherwise the thing would have killed even more persons.

[BansheeOwnage]

Neither. My Inquisitor would call the 3 companions back to help fight the ugly thing along with Hawke and Warden. Excellent

With all the stuff they've defeated, I can't imagine the Nightmare being able to beat 3 protagonists and a few companions. It is of course entirely arbitrary, since if they changed the story so you have to kill the Nightmare to exit the fade, we would have beaten it.

[CrimsonN7]

Sorry, Hawke. You're nightmare food again.

This but I'm not sorry about it.

[themikefest]

With all the stuff they've defeated, I can't imagine the Nightmare being able to beat 3 protagonists and a few companions. It is of course entirely arbitrary, since if they changed the story so you have to kill the Nightmare to exit the fade, we would have beaten it.

I just find that leaving one of them in the fade was lame. If both survive, have the Warden head to Weisshaupt and Hawke stay at Skyhold or sent on a quest from the war table.  Hawke can have a few lines of dialogue when activated, if staying at Skyhold. Hawke could even help fight Corypheus in a support role like she/he did during Adamant and in the fade.

[BansheeOwnage]

I disagree. For the demon to appear in the last five seconds just to block the exit already feels cheap. The fact they go straight to sacrificing somebody as their first choice and have enough time to stand around and argue about it instead of developing a quick plan or strategy how to get out of there alive together is kind of ridiculous. Nobody says they have to kill the demon. Working together on distracting it and getting around it would be enough. It's not like there's time limit on it. The tear in the Veil is too small for the demon to get out anyway.

 

But I don't have a problem with it if you think so. We all have our opinion and that is fine. And it's not like we can go back and test it. But I, personally, definitely don't see it as a must, aside from the fact the game forces me to choose, and I think that some of the best and brightest in Thedas can do better than just throw one of theirs to the wolves just because a single enemy's blocking the exit. They didn't even try doing anything else before making that sort of decision. There was no trying and failing. Let's just say I believe in trying.

I agree that it feels cheap. It's also totally arbitrary that you, Hawke, and the warden contact are behind your companions instead of in the same group, allowing you to get cut off. These kinds of choices can work, but they need to be airtight and not feel forced just to have an "important decision".

 

Anyway, to answer the question. Do I leave my Warden or my Hawke?

 

Hmm... Maybe the Inquisitor?

[Vanilka]

The spirit always focalized its attention to the group,that Hawke and the other warden were arguing doesn't change anything since up to that point they were not attempting to escape,the spirit could have used that fragment of time to attack them but that's all.

The exit was guarded and someone had to remain and occupy the spirit because otherwise the thing would have killed even more persons.

 

 

By arguing they waste time instead of doing something that might have helped.

 

The spirit that accompanied the group distracted the spider for the entire boss fight, but it conveniently only lasted until the group needed to leave.

 

It's all just your speculation because we're not able to see the consequences of doing otherwise. And your speculation is as good as mine.

 

You might also speculate that the one left in the Fade could get squished in 3 seconds and the demon would eat the rest of the group anyway. Because if the entire group shouldn't stand a chance, how long could one person hope to last while distracting the thing?

[German Soldier]

I agree that it feels cheap. It's also totally arbitrary that you, Hawke, and the warden contact are behind your companions instead of in the same group, allowing you to get cut off. These kinds of choices can work, but they need to be airtight and not feel forced just to have an "important decision".

Anyway, to answer the question. Do I leave my Warden or my Hawke?

Hmm... Maybe the Inquisitor?

The scene was not properly done, the companions should have been there with the Inquisitor and escape at the same moment.

[German Soldier]

It's all just your speculation because we're not able to see the consequences of doing otherwise. And your speculation is as good as mine.

You might also speculate that the one left in the Fade could get squished in 3 seconds and the demon would eat the rest of the group anyway. Because if the entire group shouldn't stand a chance, how long could one person hope to last while distracting the thing?

I'm just reporting what we saw in game that is hardly a form of speculation and that the Inquisitor was not able to see any other viable solution.
The person left in the fade is killed in few seconds but at that point there is nothing to do for the spirit of nightmare since the others guests are gone through the breach.

[Joseph Warrick]

Hawke, the Warden is important to things. And if Hawke refused, the Warden would probably use blood magic / mind control on Hawke to get that sorted.

[Vanilka]

I'm just reporting what we saw in game that is hardly a form of speculation and that the Inquisitor was not able to see any other viable solution.
The person left in the fade is killed in few seconds but at that point there is nothing to do for the spirit of nightmare since the others guests are gone through the breach.

 

Just because something happened in the game doesn't mean it's the only viable solution. It's just the only solution the game developers provided us with.

 

Also, we never see the person left in the Fade die and, as far as I know, BW confirmed that their fate is ambiguous. They were left in the Fade and their fate is open to interpretation now.

 

If you want to believe something can't be done, please, do so. I'm not going to stop you. I see no reason I should want to, either. But I am just not of the same opinion. I'm not satisfied with not even trying anything else first. If somebody died in the attempt, that's the risk I would be willing to take. I'd still rather do that than give up before we even started. If you don't feel the same, that's fine.

[fhs33721]

With all the stuff they've defeated, I can't imagine the Nightmare being able to beat 3 protagonists and a few companions. It is of course entirely arbitrary, since if they changed the story so you have to kill the Nightmare to exit the fade, we would have beaten it.

Well to be fair the Nightmare, most likely is the single most powerful entity to ever appear in the series. I mean it takes two protagonists, 3 companions (possibly including an elven god) and Alistair/Loghain/Stroud to defeat a mere aspect of it.

And yeah of course if it was writen so you kill the Nghtmare, you would've beaten it. But it wasn't written like that. Instead in the story as it was delivered in the final game the Nightmare is just too powerful to defeat so you have to retreat.

 

 

I disagree. For the demon to appear in the last five seconds just to block the exit already feels cheap. The fact they go straight to sacrificing somebody as their first choice and have enough time to stand around and argue about it instead of developing a quick plan or strategy how to get out of there alive together is kind of ridiculous. Nobody says they have to kill the demon. Working together on distracting it and getting around it would be enough. It's not like there's time limit on it. The tear in the Veil is too small for the demon to get out anyway.

There actually is,... kind of. Your Inquisition troops are getting their a*ses kicked by the Nightmares demon army outside the fade and are in danger of getting massacred for as long as you don't close the Rift.

 

As for the OP. I'd probably choose Hawke to live most of the time, because most my Inquisitors are friends with Varric and wouldn't want him to loose his best friend. Unless of course it's a Warden that romanced Leliana. In that case save the Warden, since my Inquisitor would not want for Leliana to loose her girl/boyfriend (Sorry Varric).

[German Soldier]

Also, we never see the person left in the Fade die and, as far as I know, BW confirmed that their fate is ambiguous. They were left in the Fade and their fate is open to interpretation now.

I don't see how they can survive in the domain of the nightmare and it's minions.
From what i remember there are some codex that celebrate those who were left in the fade which means probably that they are dead.

[Aren]

Unless of course it's a Warden that romanced Leliana. In that case save the Warden, since my Inquisitor would not want for Leliana to loose her girl/boyfriend (Sorry Varric).

Leliana always have priorty!
Actually in this fictional scenario it make sense for the Inquisitor to be influenced by Leliana .