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[Vanilka]

There actually is,... kind of. Your Inquisition troops are getting their a*ses kicked by the Nightmares demon army outside the fade and are in danger of getting massacred for as long as you don't close the Rift.

 

Okay, you've got a point. But I don't see how getting around is so much more time consuming than having a talk about it and then sacrificing Hawke and then getting around anyway. When we see Hawke or whoever gets left behind engage the thing, it's not even doing anything.

 

I don't see how they can survive in the domain of the nightmare and it's minions.
From what i remember there are some codex that celebrate those who were left in the fade which means probably that they are dead.

 

There were no minions left and we don't see the thing call any. And I already said they wouldn't have to kill the demon. In fact, I see no reason to do so when you can just leave the Fade and lock the door behind you, so to speak.

 

And most people in the game talk about the "sacrifice" and they suppose that the one left in the Fade might be dead but there's never any confirmation. (Sera, for example, also says she's not sure.) People in the world are always only unreliable narrators. So I take the writers' word over that. We never see the one left in the Fade die and, frankly, off-screen deaths are lame, so ambiguous fate open to people's imagination seems better anyway. Regardless of whether the person dies or not, it's still a heroic sacrifice.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

There actually is,... kind of. Your Inquisition troops are getting their a*ses kicked by the Nightmares demon army outside the fade and are in danger of getting massacred for as long as you don't close the Rift.

Actually, if the demons are coming through the same rift you come through, that means staying there longer won't make a difference. The fade-side part of it is right next to you and there are no demons anywhere around, besides the Nightmare, who can't fit. Or at least it won't make a difference in terms of more demons coming through. Quizzy does annihilate some demons with the Mark upon return.

[Vanilka]

Anyway, I apologise for the digression. I didn't expect a small comment to quite develop in this manner.

 

To get back on topic, if we were forced to choose exactly like we have to in this game, that means it's either Hawke or the Warden who must stay behind, let's say I would have quite a dilemma. Because the Warden is my character. And Hawke is also my character. I absolutely expect my characters to take one for the team when necessary, always. So you can imagine what kind of position that puts me in.

 

Talking roleplay, I'd have to decide between a woman that swore an oath that she takes very seriously and that gives a hell of a damn about what happens to the world, and another that feels responsible for releasing Corypheus and all the death and destruction he has caused and would do anything to undo it and to protect her closest. Considering my characters' stories and personalities, I think I wouldn't change what I've already done. That is, my Hawke would stay behind because Corypheus is her responsibility and she needs to help put it right somehow, and because her magic might give her an edge is this particular situation. Moreover, my Warden's job, which is largely focused on annihilating as many darkspawn as possible, is far from done. Her job would be keeping on trying to stab Corypheus and every other darkspawn in the eye and for that she must live.

 

Another matter entirely is that I just like the Warden better. Hawke is okay, I guess, but when I think about it, the only reason why I care whether she lives or dies is because I don't want Fenris to be alone yet again and because Varric cares so damn much.

 

Either way, I can't say I'm a big fan of the decision in the game, for the reasons I have already stated in my previous posts, but otherwise I don't have as huge of a problem with it as it might seem, and I suppose that if it came to making such a decision, sacrificing Hawke again is the way I'd be forced to go.

[fhs33721]

Actually, if the demons are coming through the same rift you come through, that means staying there longer won't make a difference. The fade-side part of it is right next to you and there are no demons anywhere around, besides the Nightmare, who can't fit. Or at least it won't make a difference in terms of more demons coming through. Quizzy does annihilate some demons with the Mark upon return.

They aren't coming through the same Rift (at least not all of them). They were summoned by the mind controlled Grey Wardens. Closing the Rift disrupts the Nighmares control over the Grey warden mages and (somehow) banishes all the demons.

[German Soldier]

 

 

There were no minions left and we don't see the thing call any. And I already said they wouldn't have to kill the demon. In fact, I see no reason to do so when you can just leave the Fade and lock the door behind you, so to speak.

 

And most people in the game talk about the "sacrifice" and they suppose that the one left in the Fade might be dead but there's never any confirmation. (Sera, for example, also says she's not sure.) People in the world are always only unreliable narrators. So I take the writers' word over that. We never see the one left in the Fade die and, frankly, off-screen deaths are lame, so ambiguous fate open to people's imagination seems better anyway. Regardless of whether the person dies or not, it's still a heroic sacrifice.

The inquisitor can't leave the fade without a bait because the demon is guarding the exit.

I didn't argued whether is heroic or not but just that is far more probable that they are dead since from what i saw two years later there are no report of the one left in the fade wich dramatically decrease  chances of their survival, if they escaped from the fade they would have contacted the Inquisitor eventually.

[Vanilka]

 

The inquisitor can't leave the fade without a bait because the demon is guarding the exit.

I didn't argued whether is heroic or not but just that is far more probable that they are dead since from what i saw two years later there are no report of the one left in the fade wich dramatically decrease  chances of their survival, if they escaped from the fade they would have contacted the Inquisitor eventually.

 

 

I've already explained why I disagree and given my opinions of the alternatives. I don't think there's any point in having the same discussion again. Especially since we're kind of derailing the thread from its original purpose.

 

As for the one left in the Fade, the fact is we don't know what happened or didn't happen there or what kind of things to worry about would a survivor have in case they did get lucky. (Contacting the close ones, recovering, etc.) I've never said it's not unlikely, either. It's always been unlikely. (Even the dialogue wheel says the person "will likely die". Not "totally", not "absolutely", not "will die", but "will likely die". I think it is deliberate.) But unlikely doesn't mean absolutely impossible. The absence of proof isn't any proof. It's nice to have a theory about it or a headcanon, I enjoy doing that, but there's no confirmation one way or another whatsoever. That's why I'm not going to claim one way or another, because we have no proof at all.

[Pavan]

I would save the Warden each and every time - no question, he is the best.

 

Hawke is actually my least favourite out of all 3 heroes so I would sacrifice him every time.

 

 

However - if it was up to my Warden to decide, he would definitely try to sacrifice himself (Morrigan would probably stop him though and be furious with him ) death in battle is the way he has always wanted to go - like a savage monster taking on a crap load of enemies.

[Qun00]

"I left Alistair in the Fade". Said no one ever.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 You mean the Warden, Hawke, and Inquisitor (& party) couldn't take him??

[Secret Rare]

 You mean the Warden, Hawke, and Inquisitor (& party) couldn't take him??

The Nightmare? 

No he is too powerful,fat,big and evil

[fhs33721]

"I left Alistair in the Fade". Said no one ever.

I left Alistair in the Fade.

There I just said it.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

"I left Alistair in the Fade". Said no one ever.

 

Because no one was stupid enough to let him live beyond DA:O.

[mrs_anomaly]

This was an agonizing decision for me.   I did everything I could to ensure Alistair lived through DAO- including killing myself. The play throughs of DAO where I decided to survive- I had him remain a warden so he could still be in a relationship with my Warden. 

 

I had to choose a generic Hawke instead of mine for my Keep world state so I could throw him on the pyre. He was my sacrifice but it still felt like I was killing myself anyway because I loved my Hawke's. And I feel like he/she got a raw deal and I hate to let down their lovers and Varric. 

 

But I do it because my Warden is trying to find the anti corruption pills and Alistair and she are still in love.   but I feel guilty. 

 

I'm a sap basically. 

[TagiDoll]

 

"I left Alistair in the Fade". Said no one ever.

 

In both of my Origins play throughs Alistair is either on the throne or a drunk which is lucky for him because I would leave him behind in the fade too.

[SkinVision]

"I left Alistair in the Fade". Said no one ever.

 

I'm about to leave Alistair in the fade and I'm looking forward to it Much easier decision then on my first play through with a different world state (had to leave the mustache behind).

[Dabrikishaw]

The Warden would be saved everytime.

 

Hawke dies in a fire whenever I get to this choice anyway.

[KotorEffect3]

I would still save Hawke.  The Warden at most has maybe 20 years left if he is lucky.  Hawke on the other hand has more time on his hand and being untainted he can do more good for Thedas in the long run without worrying about blighted blood messing with him.

[ModernAcademic]

Why can't we leave one of our companions behind rather than Warden or Hawke?

 

There are one or two in mind I'd definitely leave behind...

[themikefest]

Save both and leave one of the companions behind. hahahahaha

[BansheeOwnage]

Why can't we leave one of our companions behind rather than Warden or Hawke?

 

There are one or two in mind I'd definitely leave behind...

 

Save both and leave one of the companions behind. hahahahaha

Yes! I would do it in a heartbeat!

[GoldenGail3]

Why can't we leave one of our companions behind rather than Warden or Hawke?
 
There are one or two in mind I'd definitely leave behind...

I'd leave Blackwall behind with all haste.

[Absafraginlootly]

Hmm this is rather trickier than the actual choice, where I just have to go 'what would my hawke do?' and be done with it (I never leave the decision up to the inquisitor or worry about whether the warden is alistair, loghain or stroud), but let's see..

 

 

Ilsa Tabris and Katriana Hawke would get into an argument about it, as they are both the type to sacrifice themselves for their friends, but Ilsa would ultimately silence the issue by pointing out that she only has a few years of life left (being a warden joined during a blight).

 

Myvana Hawke would be perfectly willing to let the Warden go hold it off as its the wardens who created this bugger up, but Mysa Amell performed the Ultimate Sacrifice and therefore isn't around to make this one. Myvana would do it if there were no one else willing and able, in order to get the person most needed out of there.

 

Elijah Hawke would end up staying behind, as Joseph Cousland would never offer (though frankly Thedas would probably be better off if Joseph kicked the bucket instead).

 

Garret Hawke is mister do gooder and would want to stay, but Jheira Mahariel wouldn't trust him to get the job done, she'd Sleep him and turn to face the thing without so much of a by your leave.

 

Maeza Aeducan and Lisette Hawke are both pretty ambitious with agendas of their own, but Lisette has heavy guilt about Corypheus that would drive her seek redemption with this, whereas Maeza has more to live for.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

My warden is a living undead in Revenant form.
He would probably help the Nightmare in killing the Inquisitor and Hawke.
He does not protect the sinners of Thedas anymore he just want Thedas dead.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'd leave Blackwall behind with all haste.

Me too. Plus, he'd get some redemption I'd also easily leave The Iron Bull, Sera, and Vivienne. And Leliana if possible. I like Solas well enough, but I suppose leaving him there could solve some problems Or maybe he'd screw things up even more from the fade.

 

I just realized I'd easily leave 4/9 companions and 1/3 advisors there. Wow. Hopefully I like more of them in DA4.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Me too. Plus, he'd get some redemption I'd also easily leave The Iron Bull, Sera, and Vivienne. I'd also leave Leliana. I like Solas well enough, but I suppose leaving him there could solve some problems Or maybe he'd screw things up even more from the fade.

 

I just realized I'd easily leave 4/9 companions and 1/3 advisors there. Wow. Hopefully I like more of them in DA4.

You like more than me. I'd leave Dorian, Hissrad, Rainier, Sera, Solas, Varric, and Vivienne. Of the companions only Cassandra and Cole are the ones I wouldn't leave. That's 7/9 I'd leave.