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[Xerrai]

I usually choose to leave Hawke. I always get bit uneased when I think of leaving a tainted creature in the fade.

 

Especially given the revelation that things like lyrium can are alive in some manner and thus can be tainted. If things like lyrium can be considered alive, who is say that the Fade is not the same? Even Solas once described it like a "state of nature". Then there's the fact that Corypheaus supposedly 'discovered' the taint in the black city, which in turn implies that the taint was somehow thriving in the city prior to his arrival even though it was locked tight.

[Pokemario]

I'd leave The Warden behind.

[ModernAcademic]

Solas is one of the greatest philanthropist and saints Thedas ever had.

 

You don't even know his real history and you're making deductions about his character. You think you know the character because of a short-lived relationship in Inquisition, but you don't know jack about him.

 

What happened in Arlathan? Did you actually see any game cutscene that gave you an accurate depiction of what Solas was doing back then? Or do you hang on his word to have any knowledge about the truth?

 

Perhaps you are you speculating based on the heartwarming story he tells you by the end of Trespasser, of how he tried to defend the poor elven slaves from the evil tyrant rulers and on the few bits of info you see at HIS temple - HIS temple, therefore a place that tells a version of history that favors his image and conveniently forgets the wrong things he's done - that obviously paint him as a liberator and hero.

 

All you DO know is that he was involved with Flemeth somehow - you don't even know what happened between them; were they lovers? master and servant? family? - and that he freed those slaves for some reason. You don't even know who or what the Evanuris were, or if they even deserved the fate Solas gave them.

 

 

What if he freed those slaves because he thought he could be a better ruler? What if his goal was to rule Arlathan alone? What if he sought Flemeth to help him accomplish this goal, since she seemed to oppose the rule of the Evanuris and was cunning and poweful enough to face them, sparing him the trouble of openly antagonizing them?

 

Suppose that is the truth. He wasn't a benevolent soul and a philantropist, then. He was an opportunist who cleverly built an army composed of the same people who once served his enemies and turned them against the kings and queens that would crush him should he fight them on his own.

 

WE, the players, know nothing of Solas' true past and his intentions. All we know is that he's willing to overlook GRAVE consequences to MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS, people who don't deserve IN ANY WAY what's coming to them, in order to satisfy a selfish want: bring back Arlathan, the elven empire based on slavery and blood sacrifices for rulers like Falon'Din.

 

Is that a better reality than what Thedas is now? Or is Solas merely going to reboot the world and cause civilisation to devolve thousands of years?

 

 

 

 

Addendum: His alias is Dread Wolf, the Trickster, who walked among Gods and Forgotten Ones alike. For someone to become known as a deceiver of Gods and "Demons" is quite an accomplishment.

 

But then again, he DID fool your Inquisitor all along and made it look as though he was helping you when all he cared about was recovering the elven orb.

 

Should he have succeeded, the world would've been immediately destroyed as he lifted the Veil. And your Inquisitor would be dead seconds after defeating Corypheus and doing HIS dirty work for him. 

 

 

And yet people like you readily jump to his defense... are you sure you're seeing his real face? Not the façade he so cleverly wears?

[dsl08002]

Easy choice

I save the warden

[Rawgrim]

I'd leave Hawke. The warden felt like my own character. Hawke felt like a character someone else had made for me.

[TagiDoll]

I usually choose to leave Hawke. I always get bit uneased when I think of leaving a tainted creature in the fade.

 

 

You know, true. I never thought of that it's a good RP reason to sacrifice Hawke for sure.

[GoldenGail3]

Agreed. It's actually the part that reveals he should be given a swift kick of justice right in the face. 

It didn't help how utterly boring i found Blackwall... Either... His story did nothing to help with dat...

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Easy choice

I save the warden

For what reason?

Ah they aren't so powerful afterall like their fans claim them to be..... they  need to run away from the Nightmare like rabbits.

 

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Solas is the saint who saved the world from those megalomaniacs( there are no testimony however aside from Abelas)and that now want to restore the elven world.

Innocents?Most people of Thedas are not innocent,true innocence is a privilege of few persons.

[German Soldier]

See in Fable3 how many players sacrificed 10 people to save their LI.

You dismissed context here.

First for what remember it were not 10 peoples maybe 4,second Logan forced a decision to kill those who rebelled against him who most likely knew the dangers of their own actions and that blameless Elise/Eliot which was also the LI of the PC who even want to sacrifice themselves were not invovled in any of these actions.

[Dean_the_Young]

You know, it's funny, but when I first came to the Warden/Hawke decision... I left Hawke behind, because I really didn't believe he'd die. Still don't, either.

 

I mean, my Angry Hawke was such a determinator- angry will and just not dying- that I wouldn't bet against him. Still wouldn't, even before the ambiguous cut scene. He just always survived- so much so that in my headcanon, he's still alive. He's not trapped in the Fade- the Fade is trapped with him.

 

DA4 will come about, and Solas will lower the Veil briefly, and... pop. Out will come my Hawke, battered but alive and angry as always, with a quip to go along with it.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

 

DA4 will come about, and Solas will lower the Veil briefly, and... pop. Out will come my Hawke....in  several pieces like a puzzle after being milkshake by the demons

fixed!

[Lord Raijin]

Lets see.... My Inquisitors girlfriend- soon-to-be wife (Cassandra) Is in love with Varrics writings.. loves his work.. Varric is best friends with Hawke and if Hawke was left behind to die in the fade.... Varric will become severely depressed over the loss of his best friend. It could very well impact the quality of his future books (Instead of being entertainment and fun.... it becomes sad and depressing after losing his best friend).

 

Casandra would not like my Inquisitor if Varric becomes this emo Dwarf who use to write great books now writing emo stories about Hawke.

 

Sorry Stroud, and all of his fans here, but I never got the time to create bond with this character to even care if he dies or lives. In fact I got kinda annoyed that he refused help my Hawke to fight the Qunari during the Qunari invasion in Kirkwall.  He gave me this excuse about the wardens not getting involved in the political fight and all of that other BS. All that this man gave me was junk to wear. So yeah. Let that monster demon eat him up alive.

 

I don't give a crap about Stroud.

[BansheeOwnage]

Lets see.... My Inquisitors girlfriend- soon-to-be wife (Cassandra) Is in love with Varrics writings.. loves his work.. Varric is best friends with Hawke and if Hawke was left behind to die in the fade.... Varric will become severely depressed over the loss of his best friend. It could very well impact the quality of his future books (Instead of being entertainment and fun.... it becomes sad and depressing after losing his best friend).

 

Casandra would not like my Inquisitor if Varric becomes this emo Dwarf who use to write great books now writing emo stories about Hawke.

 

Sorry Stroud, and all of his fans here, but I never got the time to create bond with this character to even care if he dies or lives. In fact I got kinda annoyed that he refused help my Hawke to fight the Qunari during the Qunari invasion in Kirkwall. All he gave me was junk to wear. So yeah. Let that monster demon eat him up alive.

We're not talking about Stroud/Alistair/Loghain, we're talking about Hawke vs. the Hero of Ferelden.

[Lord Raijin]

We're not talking about Stroud/Alistair/Loghain, we're talking about Hawke vs. the Hero of Ferelden.

 

I'm confused. The topic says Here Lies The Abyss. The Warden vs Hawke, who would you pick? in the Dragon Age: Inquisition category.

 

The Hero of Ferelden had no part of  Dragon Age inquisition.

 

Edited: I think the OP mistakenly posted this in the wrong category. I would recommend using this part of the forum the next time: http://forum.bioware...ck-suggestions/

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 21 avril 2016 - 04:13 .

[KaiserShep]

You know, it's funny, but when I first came to the Warden/Hawke decision... I left Hawke behind, because I really didn't believe he'd die. Still don't, either.

 

I mean, my Angry Hawke was such a determinator- angry will and just not dying- that I wouldn't bet against him. Still wouldn't, even before the ambiguous cut scene. He just always survived- so much so that in my headcanon, he's still alive. He's not trapped in the Fade- the Fade is trapped with him.

 

DA4 will come about, and Solas will lower the Veil briefly, and... pop. Out will come my Hawke, battered but alive and angry as always, with a quip to go along with it.

 

 

Relevant:

 

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm confused. The topic says Here Lies The Abyss. The Warden vs Hawke, who would you pick? in the Dragon Age: Inquisition category.

 

The Hero of Ferelden had no part of  Dragon Age inquisition.

 

Edited: I think the OP mistakenly posted this in the wrong category. I would recommend using this part of the forum the next time: http://forum.bioware...ck-suggestions/

Well, generally reading the OP helps... This isn't a suggestion though, it's a hypothetical question. So it's fine where it is.

[GoldenGail3]

Relevant:

 

This almost sounds like what my Canon Hawke would be like if i left him in the fade.... Mister Mage Hawke would be just fine.... 

[Lord Raijin]

Well, generally reading the OP helps... This isn't a suggestion though, it's a hypothetical question. So it's fine where it is.

 

Is more like feedback if anything else.

[GoldenGail3]

Is more like feedback if anything else

It's not like their asking for the HOF to comeback or anything... 

[Nixou]

If in Here lies the Abyss the chocie was between your Warden and Hawke who would you pick to stay behind?

 

 

In the actual game I ended up selecting Stroud because of how ridiculous a mage Hawke looks trying to bludgeon the spider's mandibles with his staff.

My worldstate's Warden is also a mage, but given that she took the arcane Warrior specialization and seldom used a staff anymore, I'd probably select her.

 

Now, if it had been up to my Inquisitor alone, he'd have picked Hawke to stay behind: the Grey Wardens were in shamble, but my Quizzy already intended to enlist the survivors to his cause, and keeping the famous Archdemon-slayer on his team was the most profitable move.

 

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Alternatively, if the chocie wasn't the Inquisitor's but of your Warden and Hawke, what would they do? And Why?

 

 

My worldstate's snarky Hawke is a reluctant fighter who enjoys spending his evenings drinking and playing cards way more than slinging spells; while my Warden is an aggressive bully who loves nothing more than proving that she's the strongest killer in the room. So there wouldn't have been any debate: the Warden would have rushed against the giant spider before any dialogue-wheel choice appeared (only to be mercilessly squished when the Nightmare proved to be much stronger than the petty demons she'd had vanquished in the past)

 

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I suspect that this - a choice between Hawke and whoever survived DAO, meaning the Warden, Alistair or Loghain in that order of priority - was the original plan but they changed it after people's reaction to ME3's ending

 

 

Also because finding the HoF hiding alone in a cave in the Coastlands, close to the seat of their power, in a country where they're idolized would have made no sense at all (that's why they should have used Nevarra instead of Ferelden as the map's first half)

 

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I disagree. For the demon to appear in the last five seconds just to block the exit already feels cheap. The fact they go straight to sacrificing somebody as their first choice and have enough time to stand around and argue about it instead of developing a quick plan or strategy how to get out of there alive together is kind of ridiculous

 

 

Actually, I would have liked if Bioware had given players the option to fight it: make it a boss with a large amount of HP, and "reward" the players you successfully empty his life-bar with a cutscene showing the spider instantaneously healing all damage done then devouring all three characters in non-standard game over.

[Ghost Gal]

My answer's easy: kill the Hawke, spare the Warden.

[Alaric]

I feel like the Hero of Fereldan would do a hell of a lot better than Hawke; what with the whole ending the Blight thing.



 

[Dean_the_Young]

This almost sounds like what my Canon Hawke would be like if i left him in the fade.... Mister Mage Hawke would be just fine.... 

 

That's amusing.

 

Great minds think alike?

[ModernAcademic]

"Dying from Tevinter BS."

 

 

 

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[ThePhoenixKing]

Here's a crazy idea; instead of the Inquisitor soiling his drawers and leaving someone behind as a tethered goat for the Nightmare to munch on before launching into a rousing chorus of "Brave Sir Robin Ran Away", how about they just kill the damn thing?

 

Seriously, you have the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor all working together. What the hell are you waiting for, a Titan Legion? The three of them should be more than capable of putting the Nightmare down, once and for all. Hell, the Warden could probably do it by himself. And before anyone says that the Nightmare is too powerful, remember that this is a franchise that's had the heroes killing seemingly unstoppable giant monsters since day one. As a matter of fact, that's how most RPGs (or video games in general) work, really. Being big and tough didn't stop the heroes from beating Lavos or Eredin or Alduin the World-Eater or the Master or the Prime Evils or Legate Lanius, so why in the world should it stop them here?