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Here Lies The Abyss. The Warden vs Hawke, who would you pick?


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#176
sjsharp2011

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That doesn't make sense because the Inquisitor shouldn't care of those pity factors of people that they don't even know.

My Inq  chose always a warden because compared to Hawke their lifespan is reduced and they are vulnerable to Cory which is the only  valid RP reason i found.

Well the Inquisuitor does know Varric and is awaer that Hawke is a dear friend of Varric' so even if the quizzy dosen't care too much for Hawke themselves. They may stilll back Hawke in order for unit cohesion and because they like Varric as well. After all the dwarven background and the Qunari one I believe your supposed to be mercenaries so in a sense your kind of in the same line of work as Varric is in that sense so appreciate what he's trying to do. It just depends on how you decide to head cannon it really. Generally I choose to leave the warden behind and save Hawke the only time I've left Hawke behind was in my Alistair playthrough. I may kleave Hawke behind again but that just depends on the quizzy I create and how I want the story to play out.



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When I red this question, my immidiate answer was - I would leave Hawke behind. Every time. I love my Aeducan Warden, she's one of my favourite characters ever and I have tons of headcanons about her and her family (which cosists of all companions from DA:O, as well as all wardens under her command).

 

But then I read through this thread and it got me thinking. I never cared about Hawke all that much, didn't feel connected to this character (possibly because of my mindset during the sole playthrough of DA2). However, I have no doubt he would volunteer, while my Warden would feel she has too much to loose to die (the same reasoning went into allowing Loghain to strike the final blow in DA:O).

 

But then... Hawke has faced many opponents: dragons, abominations, blood mages, Qunari, etc. But my Warden wouldn't trust stories, no matter how well told, without witnessing those events first-hand. And she would be reasonably certain she could hold-off the Nightmare long enough for the rest of the party to escape. She has, after all, survived the Fade twice, defeated several greater demons, Architect and the Mother, gained knowledge about possession from the Connor situation and learned more about the nature of spirits from Wynne and Justice (and then - Vengance).

 

So I changed my mind. I would leave HoF behind, becuse I believe she would be capable enough to either defeat the Nightmare, or to escape its' clutches.

 

And if the demon proved to be too tough and too fast, she would start talking, being a manipulative, sliver-toungued, diplomatic, raised-at-the-court little **** that she is. About how the Fade is only showing distorted image of the other side, and wouldn't the Nightmare want to see the whole picture? And here is an able body to carry it outside, no need to seek a dreamer to possess. It honestly would be a win-win situation for both of them, one gets to live, the other gets to leave. And no, why would anyone want to join this weakling Corypheus, who looses at every turn and can't even strike fear of a Blight into the hearts of men without help from the appropriate demon?

 

(And it truly is a better solution than to be killed by the Nightmare, provided that dwarven resistance to magic can somehow help mitigate demon's control, or provided that the Nightmare will seek out the Inquisitor. Because where's the Inquisitor, there's Solas, Leliana, Vivienne and Cullen, and sometimes even Morrigan. And they will either help her or kill the resulting abomination. It's a calculated risk).

 

To be honest, I don't know whether this tactics would have worked or resulted in a total disaster, but it is interesting (to me).



#178
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When I red this question, my immidiate answer was - I would leave Hawke behind. Every time. I love my Aeducan Warden, she's one of my favourite characters ever and I have tons of headcanons about her and her family (which cosists of all companions from DA:O, as well as all wardens under her command).

 

But then I read through this thread and it got me thinking. I never cared about Hawke all that much, didn't feel connected to this character (possibly because of my mindset during the sole playthrough of DA2). However, I have no doubt he would volunteer, while my Warden would feel she has too much to loose to die (the same reasoning went into allowing Loghain to strike the final blow in DA:O).

 

But then... Hawke has faced many opponents: dragons, abominations, blood mages, Qunari, etc. But my Warden wouldn't trust stories, no matter how well told, without witnessing those events first-hand. And she would be reasonably certain she could hold-off the Nightmare long enough for the rest of the party to escape. She has, after all, survived the Fade twice, defeated several greater demons, Architect and the Mother, gained knowledge about possession from the Connor situation and learned more about the nature of spirits from Wynne and Justice (and then - Vengance).

 

So I changed my mind. I would leave HoF behind, becuse I believe she would be capable enough to either defeat the Nightmare, or to escape its' clutches.

 

And if the demon proved to be too tough and too fast, she would start talking, being a manipulative, sliver-toungued, diplomatic, raised-at-the-court little **** that she is. About how the Fade is only showing distorted image of the other side, and wouldn't the Nightmare want to see the whole picture? And here is an able body to carry it outside, no need to seek a dreamer to possess. It honestly would be a win-win situation for both of them, one gets to live, the other gets to leave. And no, why would anyone want to join this weakling Corypheus, who looses at every turn and can't even strike fear of a Blight into the hearts of men without help from the appropriate demon?

 

(And it truly is a better solution than to be killed by the Nightmare, provided that dwarven resistance to magic can somehow help mitigate demon's control, or provided that the Nightmare will seek out the Inquisitor. Because where's the Inquisitor, there's Solas, Leliana, Vivienne and Cullen, and sometimes even Morrigan. And they will either help her or kill the resulting abomination. It's a calculated risk).

 

To be honest, I don't know whether this tactics would have worked or resulted in a total disaster, but it is interesting (to me).

 My HOF would most likely follow your example if she were left in the fade (aka, she's pefrectly capable of such behavior) 



#179
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Hawke. I don't like him very much and don't want to see him again. That's why he is left behind and Stroud survives - or in this case my Warden. Really, this is such a easy choice because no matter who the other person is Hawke would always be the one I'd left behind for the reasons already mentioned. I'll be very disappointed if he somehow survives the Nightmare demon... but I saw him die so I don't think that's going to happen. When the Inquisitor looks behind before going through the Rift you can see Hawke fall to the ground dead. The Nightmare lives. Maybe we will see it again. 



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This choice is really difficult, because I really like my HoFs, and while Hawke is BW's character, I did influence in their life as well, enough to care about them. It depends of what one of my HoFs I'll be using vs the two Hawkes I ever played (pro-mage Hawke, and pro-Templar Hawke).

 

If I have to decide between my canon HoF and Hawke, I guess I'll leave Hawke, because I've never feel connected to Hawke as a character, while I care the most for my Tabris (that was my first HoF).

 

Thankfully, she is in her quest to get a cure for the Calling, Alistair is King, and Loghain is pretty dead. So, I don't have to take this decision and Stroud will be left to die because BW forced me to chose.

 

Maybe Hawke would fare better against my Cousland...



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Well let's see...

 

Surana's dead already, so Hawke would automatically win this anyhow. Although I do rather like my street-smarty happy go lucky Hawke over my rather dull and humorless Surana.... 



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I've mostly left Stroud in the fade because he seems like a stale warden leader so I preferabaly rather have my Hawke survive despite how he/she may of done bad things in DA 2 or not. I only sacked a Hawke (kelbaton).  because I didn't want Alister to die. Also despite Varric's opinion on Logain leaving Logain behind felt like it made sense.

 

PS: I think Fenris will be mad as hell to know his man Kelbaton is dead.



#183
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My warden I guess. My wardens a mage and my hawke is a rogue. I can see my warden actually managing slow that thing down more than hawke could and possibly get away.

If they picked? Hawke lost everything, is death seeking and is an act first, think later person so she would probably just do it before my Warden could consider it. Hawke works better storywise to me because of Varric.  While in general my warden is more "heroic" than my hawke, she is not into self sacrifice unless there really is no other choice. She is also presumably still actively doing research for the wardens and could hopefully kick some sense into them. 

 

Or the third option, instead of standing there arguing about it just run to the f-kin exit and maybe sling some spells behind as you go. 



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Hawke every time since he says Cory is his problem. He wants, he gets.

 

My HoF already saved Ferelden once and saved Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine and nothing change for the Elves. Tidus in his drunken state does wonder if that redheaded wench will be ok as he throws another dart at her painting.