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Should the concept of genetic alteration be touched on?


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It is.  But only to a limited extent, as shown in the codex:

 

Genetic Engineering 
In the 22nd century, manipulation of the human genome became commonplace.  Techniques for genetic engineering advanced to the point where the rich could custom-build fetuses that grew into stronger, smarter, and more attractive adults.  In more permissive regions, custom-designed life forms and "uplifted" animals occupied an ill-defined niche between "property" and "sapient being".

Travel to planets with unique forms of life brought an awareness that Earth's biodiversity could be lost if it spliced and hybridized to gain useful alien qualities. The Sudham-Wolcott Genetic Heritage Act was passed by the Systems Alliance Parliament in 2161.  It imposed sharp restrictions on controversial uses of genetic engineering, but provided government subsidies for beneficial applications.

 

SCREENING AND THERAPY: Most governments provide free assessments and corrective therapy for genetic diseases in prospective parents.  This has nearly eliminated everything from cystic fibrosis to nearsightedness.  The earlier screening and therapy is performed, the more comprehensive the results.  Though ideally performed on artificially fertilized zygotes in a lab, procedures are available for embryos in the womb and newborns, out of respect for personal beliefs.

 

ENHANCEMENT: Improvements of natural human abilities is legal, but adding new abilities is not.  Treatments to improve strength, reflexes, mental ability, or appearance are permitted; adding a tail or the ability to digest cellulose is not.  Some genetic enhancement is provided for free to Alliance military recruits, but the average citizen must pay for the privilege.  The process can take years to reach fruition in an adult.

 

ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal.  Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medical applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council.

Interesting but it not shown in game much. Only in mass effect 2 people discussing should unborn child get genetic treatment because it have some risks, Miranda is just perfect and no one care much, only jack and genetic engineering is not even problem it's because she is Cerberus cheerleader. And we have Grunt krogans don't like it, but he just kill sum stuff and everyone love him, ahh klingons krogans.



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She had no problems with being genetically engineered, opposite - longer life spawn, probably health in general, biotic, smarts, looks. She had problems with her dad being a dick, and having no mother.


She's constantly talking about her genetic engineering and how she's uncomfortable with it.
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She's constantly talking about her genetic engineering and how she's uncomfortable with it.

 

She's more about her particular circumstances, and how her father treated her and her sister, than about the concept of genetic alterations in itself.

(someone mentioned SSV Daddy Issues?...)


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She's constantly talking about her genetic engineering and how she's uncomfortable with it.

She talking about how her dad genetically engineered her she don't have problems with process opposite she know she better than other and have no problem with it. It's problem of daddy issues this is why her quests focus on it and saving her sister from life she had, the fact she is genetically engineered doesn't really matter in her story. More important is bad childhood. Pretty much similar as Jack, 



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While her childhood and sister are the bigger part of it, as far as I can remember, she does bring up a conflict she has with herself in that she attributes her accomplishments and aspects of herself such as her intelligence and biotics to her genetic engineering, something she has issues with, I think.

 

I think I found that an interesting conflict because I could relate to that albeit in a different way and for a different reason.



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^See, that's all interesting stuff that should actually be in a game instead of just text buried in a codex.

Indeed it should I guess ignoring it is part of a strategy of avoiding anything convtroversial. Which things like that shouldn't be, IMO.

 

As for Miranda, she was conflicted because she sometimes felt her achievements were not her own but her father's, which would make everyone uncomfortable with a father like hers. It is, however, not exactly rational. There is quite a big difference between having the abilities to do something and actually doing it. In the present, most people never reach the limits imposed by their genes in anything. She could still sit in her father's house, lamenting her fate. Instead, she took her fate into her own hands, stepped out from under his shadow, and achieved great things. Nobody programmed her to do that. Miranda's achievements are her own.

 

If I were genetically engineered for enhanced abilities, I'd be glad my parents did it (well, maybe not with a father like Henry Lawson, but as a rule). As I see it, it's only wrong when your modifications impose more limits than you'd naturally have.


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Humans in the ME universe don't seem so concerned with genetic alteration. Look how much they prize human biotics and how quickly they rise in the ranks of the Alliance. Who knows how many crimes Jack has actually commited, but because she was a powerful biotic she got a pass and became a teacher in the Alliance lol.



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Humans in the ME universe don't seem so concerned with genetic alteration. Look how much they prize human biotics and how quickly they rise in the ranks of the Alliance. Who knows how many crimes Jack has actually commited, but because she was a powerful biotic she got a pass and became a teacher in the Alliance lol.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that had more to do with saving the human race than being a biotic.

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True, but we are in a new galaxy and who is to say everyone would want to follow the rules from the Milky Way and the council there. The Ark might have some kind of council type group as leadership but still who says we could not try and justify more rogue decisions to colonize better. 

It has less to do with rules and more to do with it being expensive and time consuming. Did you read the post you quoted?



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She talking about how her dad genetically engineered her she don't have problems with process opposite she know she better than other and have no problem with it. It's problem of daddy issues this is why her quests focus on it and saving her sister from life she had, the fact she is genetically engineered doesn't really matter in her story. More important is bad childhood. Pretty much similar as Jack, 

A major part of Miranda's arc involves her getting over her inferiority complex to Shepard because Shepard has had no such alterations, yet s/he accomplishes all the same things Miranda does. She feels like she doesn't deserve her accomplishments because of her gifts, like she didn't earn them. Miranda's genetic enhancements tie into her story very deeply. I'm surprised there are people who managed to miss this, it's about as obvious as the sky being blue.



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I have often lamented to my wife, a non-gamer, that Mass Effect's genetic medical tech is not available to us. We both have the same painful, debilitating, but non-life threatening genetic condition. (Odds of that happening are about 1:10,000, by the way.) Miranda has hit the genetic lottery. You have superhuman health and longevity, and are sterile? Sign me up! ;)

In all seriousness, this could be an interesting "sidebar" theme/discussion in the game. I felt like the first game did better with this sort of thing, but a lot of the interesting lore and "side discussion" went away after 1) we joined Cerberus and 2) fought a galactic war. The first game was also a bit more devoted to the scifi elements of the setting, in my opinion. (Just look at the beautiful visual and gravitic effects of biotics in ME1. Those could've remained even as the powers were brought into proper game balance.)

I suspect the pacing will be favorable for lots of interesting lore and scifi discussion in MEA. This topic would definitely be a cool one.
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Humans in the ME universe don't seem so concerned with genetic alteration. Look how much they prize human biotics and how quickly they rise in the ranks of the Alliance. Who knows how many crimes Jack has actually commited, but because she was a powerful biotic she got a pass and became a teacher in the Alliance lol.

Alliance military seems to be the only aspect of human society that values biotics:

 

Biotics: Life as a Biotic:
Biotics possess extraordinary abilities, but they must live with minor inconveniences.  The most obvious issue is getting adequate nutrition.  Creating biotic mass effects takes such a toll on metabolism that active biotics develop ravenous appetites.  The standard Alliance combat ration for a soldier is 3000 calories per day; biotics are given 4500, as well as a canteen of potent energy drink for quick refreshment after hard combat.

Another issue is electric charge.  Electricity accumulated in starship drive cores must be discharged, and so must the electricity in a biotic user.  Biotics are prone to small static discharges when they touch metal.

Unfortunately, human biotics also face suspicion and persecution, beginning with the popular misconception that they can read and control minds.  Biotics symbolize the dehumanization of mankind to people philosophically or religiously opposed to gene modification and cybernetics.  Militaries are the only organizations that always welcome biotics, offering them huge recruitment incentives.


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The only thing coming remotely close to what you're talking about is choosing the gender of the baby, and that's not even a flawless process yet. You saw some sensationalist "news" piece on HBO and are confusing things they said are possibilities down the line with things they said they're currently doing.

Vice is pretty informative.