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[sim-ran]

1 ) Is it ever explained why Corypheus doesn't have darkspawn forces? He casts a wide net to get as many as he can (Wardens, demons, mages, templars) but he doesn't go for what one would expect is the easiest to acquire and possibly the most numerous. Is it that he can't control the darkspawn? If not, why not?

2 ) Is it ever explained what the purpose and use of the well of sorrows is originally? To use it's knowledge we have to drink from it, which appears to consume it entirely. Did the Ancient elves have a way of using its knowledge without using the whole thing up? If not then what was the point of it?

[Akiza]

Some people argued that it's due to his prideful nature if he dissociated himself from the darkspawns since he wanted to be worshipped as a god by real people.

Honestly i don't know what to make of it to me is just a case of a villain being stupid and not properly use his own powers since he could have used darkspawns  as minions for his army and as respawn points to be virtually immortal.

 

 

The well of sorrow was a little bit forced onto the plot since it was part or it should have been part of the exalted march Dlc.

In DAI it is used as a form of tool to defeat Corypheus but in truth the whole thing doesn't make much sense from a narrative point of view.

I think that the artifact(which is a boon of Mythal) restore itself with more knowledge every time the previous owner die.

[Big I]

It's never explained why he doesn't use darkspawn. It's very possible that he simply couldn't control them. If, as is currently suspected, the Architect is also an ancient magister it would support that theory. The Architect had no innate ability to control darkspawn, it's why he was at war with the Mother and her army in the first place.

 

The Well of Sorrows is never explained. My guess is that giving their knowledge to the Well was a religious ceremony Mythal's servants undertook when they were dying/retiring/entering uthenara, and that over time this created the powerful artifact that was the Well.

[Andromelek]

1-It's either one of the posted above or the fact that he wanted to rule the world, rather than destroy it, as Darkspawn, even the clever ones, still being unhealthy for people merely due their presence.

2-The Well of Sorrows seemingly has the same purpose that the Graveminds and the Dominion from Halo or the Spirit Trees from Avatar, a giant library of knowledge that can be consulted with the mind.

[Reznore57]

We don't know how many darkspawn someone like Cory can use .He can't go all archdemons like , and judging by Legacy he seemed way better at using people who were recently blighted and not gone off the deep end in darkspawn territory.

He manipulated wardens and Carta dwarves who were given tainted blood if I remember correctly , but I don't remember him sending darkspawn to the surface for example .

 

About the Well of Sorrows , if I remember correctly , it was followers of Mythal giving themselves away when they were about to die , or well for "immortal" elves tired of living.Instead of going In Uthenera and frolicking in the fade , they would somehow end up in that well.

 

For dramatic effect , the well is destroyed in DAI but you mostly destroy it because Cory is after it and want to take a sip too.

So the Morrigan/Inquisitor drinking and the well imploding seems like nonsense to me.

A visual shortcut so you didn't need a scene where someone is drinking and then someone destroy the well.

 

Anyway I'm pretty sure priest of Mythal would drink from the well once they were chosen , and that's why Abelas says "you will be bound like we are bound".So the priests would get the knowledge of ancient priests and were forever forced to do as Mythal pleased.

[thats1evildude]

Besides the issues with controlling large numbers of darkspawn - the Architect certainly had difficulty leading them - the darkspawn are basically useless for anything except killing and trying to destroy the world. You can't send darkspawn to search an elven ruin or infiltrate the Winter Palace. And they don't work with other groups.

[Mikoto8472]

I wondered about that too, really. How is a demon army any better than a darkspawn army? Why go to all the trouble of manipulating the Wardens when he has a link with a pre-made one in the Deep Roads. He obviously has some skill with the taint being able to switch hosts upon death similar to an Archdemon.

 

Even if Corypheus couldn't control the Darkspawn himself, his pet Nightmare Demon can issue a false calling. Why not use that false calling on the darkspawn? Instant army.

 

Needing the Venatori and red templars to search elven ruins or infiltrate the winter palace and that stuff does make sense, I just don't really see the point of needing a demon army when he could have a darkspawn army. Demons and Darkspawn, especially when used as an army, are just as destructive to the people of Thedas.

[Andromelek]

Besides the issues with controlling large numbers of darkspawn - the Architect certainly had difficulty leading them - the darkspawn are basically useless for anything except killing and trying to destroy the world. You can't send darkspawn to search an elven ruin or infiltrate the Winter Palace. And they don't work with other groups.

Though, one of the Architect's darkspawn mentioned in codex entries did successfully build a strategy to decimate Velanna's clan.

[Realmzmaster]

A false calling may not work on the darkspawn as it would the wardens. The darkspawn may be able to tell the difference and would not respond.  Also Corypheus probably did not think of himself as a darkspawn. Varric states that the term darkspawn was foreign to Corypheus. Therefore Corypheus may not identify with them because he once was human.

[German Soldier]

I think Coypheus was able to control a good number of darkspawns if he wanted,afterall both the architect and the mother can control a large group of them wihtout using the calling just their  hierachy.

He did not and i don't know why.

 

Even if Corypheus couldn't control the Darkspawn himself, his pet Nightmare Demon can issue a false calling. Why not use that false calling on the darkspawn? Instant army.

 

I don't think the Nightmare was his pet maybe Corypheus was the nightmare pet.

[Realmzmaster]

The Nightnare was no one's pet. Corypheus was bringing fear and terror to the land. The Nightmare fed off that. So it was in the Nightmare's best interest to help Corypheus so it could grow stronger. Corypheus had no control over the Nightmare. The two parties simply had a deal that benefited both parties.

[thats1evildude]

Though, one of the Architect's darkspawn mentioned in codex entries did successfully build a strategy to decimate Velanna's clan.

 

An Awakened darkspawn did that. Do you think Corypheus was going to administer the Joining ritual to darkspawn followers?

 

Basic darkspawn are only good for rape, murder, pillaging and rape.

[Face of Evil]

An Awakened darkspawn did that. Do you think Corypheus was going to administer the Joining ritual to darkspawn followers?

 

Basic darkspawn are only good for rape, murder, pillaging and rape.

 

You mentioned rape twice.

[thats1evildude]

You mentioned rape twice.

 

They really like rape.

[Reznore57]

You mentioned rape twice.

 

We're all still traumatised by what happens with Broodmother , I imagine?

[Knight of Dane]

Some guess that it's because he wants to rule and not destroy, but the world of Dorian's fake future sure did seem destroyed anyway.

[thats1evildude]

Well, that's because the Inquisitor never sealed the Breach. Corypheus didn't want to create the Breach; that's why he left it alone until the very end of the game, when he was so angered over his losses that he was willing to destroy the world if that meant destroying the Inquisitor.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We're all still traumatised by what happens with Broodmother , I imagine?

No, they are referencing a line from Blazing Saddles. 

[fhs33721]

Though, one of the Architect's darkspawn mentioned in codex entries did successfully build a strategy to decimate Velanna's clan.

Nah, they just killed them all, then killed some humans and then placed the human Weapons next to the dead elves just to f*ck with Velanna for the Lolz. And as mentioned that was an awakened Darkspawn, which posess human-level intelligence as opposed to the usual zombie-horde level of intelligence Darkspawn posess.

 

 

Some guess that it's because he wants to rule and not destroy, but the world of Dorian's fake future sure did seem destroyed anyway.

Yeah but the bad future is an unwanted outcome for Corypheus. He even tasks Alexius to go back in time and prevent the breach, but that turns out to be impossible.

[Moghedia]

I always wondered what made Corypheus believe he could succeed in becoming a god in the golden/black city if he didn't the first time...

[Reznore57]

I always wondered what made Corypheus believe he could succeed in becoming a god in the golden/black city if he didn't the first time...

 

Blight rots the brain , that's my theory anyway!

[Moghedia]

I think the main reason Cory didnt use darkspawn is because if he turned up with an army of them all the nations would have immediatley rallied against him, I belive even the mages and templars would probably have stopped fighting each other to attack him too

[fhs33721]

I always wondered what made Corypheus believe he could succeed in becoming a god in the golden/black city if he didn't the first time...

In his defense, the first time he went there, he pretty much got complete immortality out of it.

[Dai Grepher]

1. His power of control only works within a certain proximity. He wouldn't be able to control all Darkspawn. And in this case, he wouldn't want Darkspawn over Grey Wardens because they aren't as powerful. It would be a waste of time to seek out powerful Darkspawn.

2. The Well contained all knowledge of past servants of Mythal, as well as Mythal's compulsion. I think it also contained a fragment of her soul. I think the Well replenishes with water. This is shown as you run through the eluvian.

[Gervaise]

Well back in Legacy darkspawn were being automatically attracted to the area of his prison and I did wonder why that wasn't occurring in DAI, although I suppose you could argue that accounts for the breakouts of darkspawn across the south.   I would actually think that it would be easier for him to control darkspawn than summoned demons.   They were being kept under control by the enthralled Grey Wardens, so if they were killed then that would leave demons rampaging across the land out of control.  However, I suppose it is easy to reason with demons than with normal darkspawn.   There really is no reason why people would be any less likely to unite against a demon army than a darkspawn one.   I wonder if it had something to do with the information he got out of the orb.   The ancient elves seemed to have a close relationship with spirits, so may be he was just trying to reproduce that idea with demons, just as he used the trick of sharing his life with a dragon to give himself effective immortality.   He is trying to acquire something of the power than then ancient "gods" had.

 

As for the Well, I'm not clear how drinking destroys it.   Did all the priests previously only put knowledge in and not take it out?    If they did drink and this is what bound them, then clearly it doesn't destroy it.     It seemed to me that it was a bit like the old Irish legend of the salmon of truth and only the first person on the scene can benefit from the knowledge.   Really the whole explanation was a bit fuzzy.    I didn't understand why Abelas and the sentinels would spend thousands of years guarding the shrine and the Well, killing anyone who approached, only to surrender the Well quite tamely simply because you did a few simple rituals.   To my mind that gave you the right the enter the sanctuary but not to drink from the Well.   The outcome where Abelas insists on destroying it rather than let anyone else have it and Morrigan ends up killing him, actually seems to make far more sense but that only occurs if you don't agree to work with them.    So I wonder if there was some prerequisite in his service, set up by Mythal, that an ally that has proved themselves should be allowed access.    It still doesn't explain why he then left the Temple; unless Solas said a lot more than he let on, which wouldn't surprise me.