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[Mark (Gekrakel)]

Having completed the agent challenges for AW, keeper, and elementalist, I am left looking at the virtuoso and saarabas.  Two characters I fully expect to love, especially with more promotes now.  Been saving the best for last perhaps.

 

Having played the virtuoso the least I started with him.  I was at 8 completed missions a couple days ago, and now only 30.  So, I am a complete newbie here.

 

I did look around at a few guides, but pretty much seem to be using the following skills to provide an assortment of support and dps:

 

- Barrier (Cold Chord), with all the passive upgrades (which I admit is a bit expensive in skill point allocation)

- Movement Speed (Electric Chord)

- Battle of the Bands for attack speed bonus

- Sing-A-Long for health on hit

- Power Chord

 

My actual build is not set in stone since I am so new, but is something like this: http://da-skills.net...1,00120,1,011,0

 

As someone who has just picked up the lute, I have a couple questions:

 

1) Does the upgrade to Sing-Along (All Together Now) work ( 10% health returned for all allies for each enemy in the area that dies )

 

2) Does Tricks of the Trade stack with the same skill of other classes?  Like archer for example?

 

3) Does Battle of the Bands help me if I am solo-ing (or off by myself) and primarily using Power Chord?

 

4) There are so many great passives, and I guess I should probably be using Killer Set passive as well, but I haven't yet, especially after reading it can apply to multiple attacks if they are all cast and on the way to the enemy?  Is this right?

 

5) Do people generally use macros to decrease the number of keys pressed while playing him?  I use a controller normally, but might switch to keyboard for days when I am going to run pure Zither if it is easier. 

 

Thanks for any help!  

 

Zither is great fun to play, for sure!

 

[JiaJM98]

No just forget about all of the above, pick up all the damage passives and mana passives and then start run around just spamming power chord. Everything else is a waste of mana (and skill points) assuming you don't have a keeper teammate with you.

[Minuos]

1) I remember some issues around this, but it's been a while, so I'm not sure. I remember not taking the upgrade, though, which turned into not taking Sing-Along at all. Knight Music and their own heal on kill is usually enough, unless they melt to magic damage.

 

2) No idea. The way it applies suggests yes, but you never know, and there are better uses for an ability point anyway.

 

3) Battle of the Bands is fine for everything. You won't always need it, but attack speed means quicker animations all around, Power Chord and all, and easier mana regen from opening Opening Set since you can get more attacks off in less time. Worth noting that pride demons and high dragons don't trigger Opening Set, so aim for something else vs. demons and be prepared to run low on mana vs. the dragon.

 

4) Not sure about the multiple projectiles thing, probably never been far away enough to try it since I mostly just Power Chord my way through everything that doesn't fly. Also, Killer Set isn't reset by the dragon, meaning you can stack your songs and use basic attacks for thousands of damage per hit. Sacrifice people to dragonfire and focus on killing her quicker. They won't mind (probably).

 

5) Not necessary. Can't stand DAI with mouse and keyboard, personally, but get down a good rotation and you're golden. For me it was Fast Beat, Battle of the Bands, Mark of the Riff, Knight Music and maybe a barrier or two before deteriorating into extended bouts of Power Chording.

[Mark (Gekrakel)]

 

2) No idea. The way it applies suggests yes, but you never know, and there are better uses for an ability point anyway.

Better than 10% damage increase for the whole party?  I agree there are lots of really good passives for the virtuoso, so your final analysis may well be right.  But it is hard to sneeze at the party-wide damage increase for me.

[Mark (Gekrakel)]

 

1) I remember some issues around this, but it's been a while, so I'm not sure. I remember not taking the upgrade, though, which turned into not taking Sing-Along at all. Knight Music and their own heal on kill is usually enough, unless they melt to magic damage.

If that upgrade to give 10% health to the whole party on a kill actually worked, thuogh, it would mean even the weaker members of the party would be getting both heal on hit and extra heal on others kills.  As a team support sort of virtuoso, it seems like it would be team-wise helpful. 

 

This seems like an easy test though.. so I will try it with him once I level him back up again.

[lcneed]

I tried play Zither with autohotkey mapped with the songs.   It is still too much work so I stopped doing that LOL   

[Minuos]

Better than 10% damage increase for the whole party?

 

Doesn't it only apply to status effects?

 

This seems like an easy test though.. so I will try it with him once I level him back up again.

 

Makes sense. If you plan on using the song anyway, might as well try the upgrade at least once.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Power Cord and Encore...that is all

[Mark (Gekrakel)]

Doesn't it only apply to status effects?

 

Yeah, that is what is confusing about the text on that.  To me, it isn't clear.  I couldn't immediately find any information on that, but I will look around again.  

 

EDIT: Oh, maybe it isn't that confusing.  A careful re-read and I think I agree with you.  Good.. one less thing to waste points on for the archer, virtuoso, and hunter (I think)

[lcneed]

Power Cord and Encore...that is all

 

I thought Power Chord does not work with Encore?   I tried Cold Beat with Encore and it works.. but Cold Beat does not crit.... before I am starting to get carpal tunnels syndrome, I decided to stop playing Virtuoso  

[Mark (Gekrakel)]

... before I am starting to get carpal tunnels syndrome, I decided to stop playing Virtuoso

 

I absolutely agree.. hence the keyboard question.  Especially bad I think since you can't remap the buttons and I don't like the strum button being the right button on the controller.

[JiaJM98]

I thought Power Chord does not work with Encore?   I tried Cold Beat with Encore and it works.. but Cold Beat does not crit.... before I am starting to get carpal tunnels syndrome, I decided to stop playing Virtuoso

Power chord does not ALWAYS work with encore.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

I thought Power Chord does not work with Encore? I tried Cold Beat with Encore and it works.. but Cold Beat does not crit.... before I am starting to get carpal tunnels syndrome, I decided to stop playing Virtuoso

It works..I used to only use Power Chord and Encore was super useful with it

[Silversmurf]

Maybe the people it worked for had a Keeper in the group using .......

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Maybe the people it worked for had a Keeper in the group using .......

Or a buttload of stats
Ik I did

[Minuos]

.......

 

buttload of stats

 

Why not both?

[FMP2013]

When I play him I just spam power chord. Once in a while, little knight music for armor and battle of the bands for attack speed.
When high level, also Mark of the rift.

[Proto]

Doesn't it only apply to status effects

Tricks of the Trade is a terrible passive. Never worth taking, imo.

Virtuoso is an oddball character in my eyes. Since the release of the Saarebas he's not worth using if your team composition sees you as the main support character. Better off just playing the Saarebas with teamwide barrier. (honestly the Saarebas is just a better version of the Virt)

Amulet of Renewal is amazing on him. Use it if you don't have PI. Opening set helps a bit, but isn't as high of a priority with renewal. If you're fighting dragons, killer set makes the fight quick and worth grabbing once you have most of your songs unlocked.

I bee-line for Battle of the Bands, Knights Music and the Long Solo passive. Then Powerchord or Coolbeats and Encore. I never upgraded Knights music or Battle of the Bands.

Knights Music is really, really good. Most important team buff because it negates pretty much all non-magic damage. So important for Bolters.

If you have a Hakkon Staff and or primarily play NM, Powerchord should be your offensive spell. Make sure to upgrade for dispel. Great combo potential and really helps with Mage mines ect...But, if you're in Perilous and don't have a Hakkon. I highly recommend Coolbeats. Upgrade necessary as well. Keep in mind, Coolbeats isn't really worth using in NM with a Hakkon staff. Just pass it up.

Knights Music, Fast Beats, Battle of the Bands and Powerchord OR Coolbeats depending on situation should be your main rotation. Barrier as the save yourself or a teammate spell.

Bruh, encore rarely if ever procs encore. Do I need to redirect you to the Drasca Slaying? THUNDERDOME

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Tricks of the Trade is a terrible passive. Never worth taking, imo.

Virtuoso is an oddball character in my eyes. Since the release of the Saarebas he's not worth using if your team composition sees you as the main support character. Better off just playing the Saarebas with teamwide barrier. (honestly the Saarebas is just a better version of the Virt)

Amulet of Renewal is amazing on him. Use it if you don't have PI. Opening set helps a bit, but isn't as high of a priority with renewal. If you're fighting dragons, killer set makes the fight quick and worth grabbing once you have most of your songs unlocked.

I bee-line for Battle of the Bands, Knights Music and the Long Solo passive. Then Powerchord or Coolbeats and Encore. I never upgraded Knights music or Battle of the Bands.

Knights Music is really, really good. Most important team buff because it negates pretty much all non-magic damage. So important for Bolters.

If you have a Hakkon Staff and or primarily play NM, Powerchord should be your offensive spell. Make sure to upgrade for dispel. Great combo potential and really helps with Mage mines ect...But, if you're in Perilous and don't have a Hakkon. I highly recommend Coolbeats. Upgrade necessary as well. Keep in mind, Coolbeats isn't really worth using in NM with a Hakkon staff. Just pass it up.

Knights Music, Fast Beats, Battle of the Bands and Powerchord OR Coolbeats depending on situation should be your main rotation. Barrier as the save yourself or a teammate spell.

Bruh, encore rarely if ever procs encore. Do I need to redirect you to the Drasca Slaying? THUNDERDOME

I'm not saying it is always there right away. It shows up if you wait a second or so in between each attack. Alot are too impatient to wait for it most of the time. I will admit, I was like that alot too
But it always was there if I didn't rush into the next attack, that isn't always practical though, to wait for it.

[Drasca]

Bruh, encore rarely if ever procs encore. Do I need to redirect you to the Drasca Slaying? THUNDERDOME

 

Rofl, that only worked because of spawn camping, playing solo, and no elemental immunities in perilous (only one of which any high end players do, which is occasionally playing solo). Go ahead. Try cool beats on NM with hakkons. Go for it. No? Because you know it doesn't scale with crit damage while both HL and PC do.

 

Does anyone actually use cool beats in the field? No.

 

Hotlicks + PC ftw

[Caldyrvan]

 

Does anyone actually use cool beats in the field? No.

 

Hotlicks + PC ftw

 

I use cool beats with Belt of winter pact ... but not always. have to change from time to time, running the same build over and over ir boring

[Drasca]

Doesn't it only apply to status effects?

 

 

Yeah, that is what is confusing about the text on that.  To me, it isn't clear.  I couldn't immediately find any information on that, but I will look around again.  

 

EDIT: Oh, maybe it isn't that confusing.  A careful re-read and I think I agree with you.  Good.. one less thing to waste points on for the archer, virtuoso, and hunter (I think)

 

Minuos is correct, but ToT isn't complete ****... just mostly.

[Drasca]

I use cool beats with Belt of winter pact ... but not always. have to change from time to time, running the same build over and over ir boring

 

Rofl. Even when I upgrade CB because it is on the way to the mana damage passive, I don't use it much because enemies die before CB ever finishes a third tick. This is more true now than ever, even on heartbreaker.

[Mark (Gekrakel)]

How much armor does Knight's Music give?  Just the stated 16? That doesn't seem like much.

 

If that is such a critical song, it seems like I should be using the Drakescale more, even though it is generally just 11 extra armor.

[Minuos]

How much armor does Knight's Music give?  Just the stated 16? That doesn't seem like much.

 

The armour bonus from Knight Music is your staff's damage x 2. So 174-178 with a Hakkon staff.