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[Inkvisiittori]

Marric was too similar to Alistair, in my opinion. My favorite character was Katriel. When Marric killed her I had to force myself to read the last 100 pages. Gave me good reason to hate Loghain... Actually I hated all three of them - Loghain & Rowan for manipulating Marric and basically orchestrating Katriel's demise, and Marric for killing her. That's why it was difficult to read the rest of the book when I loathed all three main characters. 

[Beerfish]

Marric was too similar to Alistair, in my opinion. My favorite character was Katriel. When Marric killed her I had to force myself to read the last 100 pages. Gave me good reason to hate Loghain... Actually I hated all three of them - Loghain & Rowan for manipulating Marric and basically orchestrating Katriel's demise, and Marric for killing her. That's why it was difficult to read the rest of the book when I loathed all three main characters. 

A recurring theme for me in most BioWare books.  I can't stand most of the protags and can relate to the 'villains'  This is especially the case in Asunder.  Rhys, Evangeline, Cole (Gets out his three bladed murder knife)

[Illegitimus]

Much is said that Loghain can be excused for his ignorance of why Wardens are needed because the Wardens are sooo  secretive; But there have been 4 earlier Blights well recorded by Thedosian Historians and the Wardens were instrumental in each one. If you go by Loghains logic of I don't know thats true because I haven't experienced it, so next time someone tells him don't touch that its hot he has to pick it up to experience it for himself. To discount 4 prior Blights as evidence the GW are vital to defeating an Arch Demon is incredibly arrogant.

 

It doesn't matter because he doesn't believe there is an Archdemon.  He thinks it's a put on.  

[Inkvisiittori]

A recurring theme for me in most BioWare books.  I can't stand most of the protags and can relate to the 'villains'  This is especially the case in Asunder.  Rhys, Evangeline, Cole (Gets out his three bladed murder knife)

 

Yup. I too hated Rhys and never liked his mother either. Cole was okay. Evangeline just reminded me of Cassandra. 

 

In TME I couldn't stand Celene and Michel De Chevin, but liked Briala and Felassan. The most annoying thing for me was how the dalish were treated. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Briala's entitled attitude and arrogance towards the dalish was one thing I did not like about the character. 

 

The Calling is actually the only book so far where I liked most of the characters (except Marric, of course).

[Ghost Gal]

It doesn't matter because he doesn't believe there is an Archdemon.  He thinks it's a put on.  

 

Which he continues to believe even after half of Ferelden has fallen to the darkspawn.

 

There's willful ignorance, and then there's complete willful stupidity.

[Melbella]

Wow, I really don't understand the Katriel love here. What is there for her to explain? She was a spy for Orlais and got a large part of the rebel forces killed all by herself. Oh, but then she fell in love with the king so that wipes the slate clean? No, it really doesn't. Why feel bad when she gets what's coming to her? You think Maric shouldn't have executed her? Better Loghain told him than kill her himself; Maric would have never forgiven him for that.

[Deadly dwarf]

Wow, I really don't understand the Katriel love here. What is there for her to explain? She was a spy for Orlais and got a large part of the rebel forces killed all by herself. Oh, but then she fell in love with the king so that wipes the slate clean? No, it really doesn't. Why feel bad when she gets what's coming to her? You think Maric shouldn't have executed her? Better Loghain told him than kill her himself; Maric would have never forgiven him for that.

 

What can you say?!  Gotta love soap opera plots!  In Katriel's case, the circumstances behind her death are what build sympathy for her.  After fooling Maric and crew into an ambush, she has a change of heart and rescues him from Meghren's forces.  Her conversion is sincere and at the time of her death, she had turned on her former employers.  While one can argue she should be punished for the loss of so many of Maric's followers -- including Rowan's father -- it seems rather cruel of Loghain to orchestrate her death at the hands of Maric without letting him know the full truth.  It's a bit convoluted, but no more than what you find elsewhere in legend and literature.

[Qun00]

Also - they don't get sick and die from the taint like non-GW can. Remember all the people and mabari suffering and dying from taint sickness at Ostagar? If you played DA2, you might also remember Ser Wesley, Aveline's husband.

I often use that fact in RPing my Warden, taking only ranged attackers (the mages and Leliana w/ bow) and Alistair to darkspawn-infested areas.

RE Duncan's various weaponry, keep in mind this is DAO, where a warrior could use any weaponry except a mage staff - even rogues could use shields. The dual-wield warrior was quite a popular build, and with high enough strength, a warrior could dual-wield swords. I typically went for the S/S tank, but always carried a crossbow as well. DAO mechanics also allowed primary and secondary weapon sets.

That was changed in DA2, with the apparent desire to make classes more unique.


I wondered about that, too, and ended up deciding that not all of Loghain's troops were positioned in the same area. They may have been divided to flank the darkspawn from both sides, and other groups would be looking for the tower beacon as their signal. Shrug.

And how does your Warden know it is a darkspawn infested area before going anywhere near the place?

Their presence cannot be felt from several miles away.

[Melbella]

And how does your Warden know it is a darkspawn infested area before going anywhere near the place?

Their presence cannot be felt from several miles away.

I think the Deep Roads would be a pretty sure thing.  On the surface, there's no way to know for sure except for those instances you get warning, like the Chantry board quests where darkspawn attacks are reported. Also, since it's a Blight, you could just assume you will always run into darkspawn wherever you go. Which we basically do..

[Illegitimus]

Which he continues to believe even after half of Ferelden has fallen to the darkspawn.

 

There's willful ignorance, and then there's complete willful stupidity.

 

Admitting he was wrong means admitting that he probably doomed Ferelden by abandoning the Wardens and keeping out the Warden reinforcements.  So he can't do that.  

[Ghost Gal]

Admitting he was wrong means admitting that he probably doomed Ferelden by abandoning the Wardens and keeping out the Warden reinforcements.  So he can't do that.  

 

He can, and he should.

 

It's called "doing what's right for your country over doing what's right for yourself." Obviously not something Loghain cares much for.

 

This is exactly why I hate his guts. All throughout the game Loghain is more interested in saving his own pride than helping his own country. He let the South fall to darkspawn and would have let the rest of the country fall too if he'd had his way, because he was too stubborn and proud to admit he was wrong, or wasn't the be all, end all, only hope for Ferelden he saw himself as. He would literally rather feed his own people to darkspawn and sell his elves into slavery than admit he was wrong.

 

And The Stolen Throne doesn't change my mind about him, because he's just as detestable in that book as in that game. If anything, it proves he was always a lying, envious snake in the grass, rather than the honest, humble, honorable man who was driven to madness and paranoia the way the game tries to present him as. He was always a spiteful liar, so I have no reason to like him.

[Deadly dwarf]

He can, and he should.

 

It's called "doing what's right for your country over doing what's right for yourself." Obviously not something Loghain cares much for.

 

This is exactly why I hate his guts. All throughout the game Loghain is more interested in saving his own pride than helping his own country. He let the South fall to darkspawn and would have let the rest of the country fall too if he'd had his way, because he was too stubborn and proud to admit he was wrong, or wasn't the be all, end all, only hope for Ferelden he saw himself as. He would literally rather feed his own people to darkspawn and sell his elves into slavery than admit he was wrong.

 

And The Stolen Throne doesn't change my mind about him, because he's just as detestable in that book as in that game. If anything, it proves he was always a lying, envious snake in the grass, rather than the honest, humble, honorable man who was driven to madness and paranoia the way the game tries to present him as. He was always a spiteful liar, so I have no reason to like him.

 

A little too harsh of an assessment.  (Again, I've never actually spared him myself...)  My take is that he simply doesn't know why GWs are essential in killing the AD.  (One would think that there would be witnesses to final battle with AD in previous Blights and that those witnesses would be able to record that "...after GWs killed the AD, the GW who gave the killing blow died."  )  ST doesn't make him out to be a saint; he comes across as a tough warrior who's loyal to Maric and the cause of freedom, but who has his dark side.  Understanding his role in the war against Orlais helps you understand why so many people stayed loyal to him after Ostagar and accepted his version of events.

[Pasquale1234]

And how does your Warden know it is a darkspawn infested area before going anywhere near the place?

Their presence cannot be felt from several miles away.

The Deep Roads are known to be full of darkspawn.

I wouldn't expect to encounter them in the Mage Tower, or Redcliffe during the zombie runs, though the Brecilian Forest might harbor some. Travel to and from any area must also be considered.

Did the game specify a distance from which they could be detected? Individually, small groups, or larger hordes?

[Qun00]

True, but the Warden didn't know he would have to go there. Ideally, he would only have to speak to Orzammar's king and use the treaties to ask for aid.

Well... there is this moment in DA2 where Anders mistakes a group of darkspawn for the Grey Wardens he is trying to find in order to save Hawke's sibling.

Thing is, Anders only announces that he's sensed them when they're nearby.

[Pasquale1234]

Assuming the Warden had never been to Orzammar, the Warden might not know that s/he can directly enter the thaig from the surface without having to first travel in the Deep Roads. Also considering that the Warden may have already found other treaty partners to have needed help before they could render aid, s/he might have anticipated the possibility of some Deep Roads action. Regardless, the Warden could have selected a different team before entering the Deep Roads.

I suspect the answer to the distance question is, "it depends". It might vary between individuals (just as the lifespan post-joining does), might depend on wind, airflow, size of group and type of darkspawn present. Dunno.