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[Terodil]

Makes sense. Note that this makes DAI's ending look better than DA:O's, not worse.

According to what criteria? The degree of surprise involved?

TBH I was more involved with Morrigan and my countless questions at the end of DA:O than with the Solas cliffhanger. May just be me, but I cared for the HoF, for Morrigan, and the others too. I cannot say the same about DA:I which generally failed to incite emotional investment in anything.

[Kabraxal]

But I never said I was against DLC that continues the story, I am against the business practice of selling a better ending.
For me, and a lot of other gamers I know, an ending is more than the cutscene after you've defeated the boss, the ending starts when the end*game* run kicks in - Like the gates at Denerim, the *cough* romance scenes in ME, or The Last Straw in DA:II, and ends when the end-credits come up.
And again, for me, the whole fight with Corypheus was just tedious, and even though I *get* the Solas cliffhanger, post-orb, it was DLC bait from the get-go and while I think Bioware are free to do whatever the hell they want with their DLC, I do think it's morally wrong to withold a good ending in favour of selling a better one.
So that means that if you didnt like an intentionally bad ending, you can buy a better one.
Can of worms.

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You do realise the Solas reveal was a sequel hook and not DLC bait don't you? It's the credit sting like Marvel has done in their movies.

[Lezio]

You do realise the Solas reveal was a sequel hook and not DLC bait don't you? It's the credit sting like Marvel has done in their movies.

 

Dunno about that.

ME2 does a similiar thing with a shot of The Reapers after the suicide mission, but it has no context and doesn't actually need Arrival to make sense. Basically Arrival is a good entry to the sequel, which they screwed up in ME3, but, regardless, it's not actually needed. Talking about Dragon Age, same can be said for Witch Hunt or Awakening (Legacy is trickier)

 

Trespasser is just as good as Arrival, but i would argue that it's needed to make sense of Solas (and of his motivations come DA4). Also, it doesn't help that Inquisition's ending is lackluster compared to Tresspasser's

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Trespasser is just as good as Arrival, but i would argue that it's needed to make sense of Solas and his motivations in DA4. Also, it doesn't help that Inquisition's ending is lackluster compared to Tresspasser's

Inquisition's base ending is better than Trespasser's in every way, shape, and form. Trespasser was the worst thing to happen to DAI. 

[Lezio]

Inquisition's base ending is better than Trespasser's in every way, shape, and form. Trespasser was the worst thing to happen to DAI. 

 

We never agree on anything, do we?

[AlanC9]

But I never said I was against DLC that continues the story, I am against the business practice of selling a better ending.

So you're against something that Bio's... never done? Unless Trespasser counts as selling a better ending, but then what's the difference between a DLC which continues the story and selling a better ending?

For me, and a lot of other gamers I know, an ending is more than the cutscene after you've defeated the boss, the ending starts when the end*game* run kicks in - Like the gates at Denerim, the *cough* romance scenes in ME, or The Last Straw in DA:II, and ends when the end-credits come up.

But all the way back to the Dark Ritual? If that's part of the end game, then the sequence with Flemeth and Morrigan should count as part of DAI's endgame. Unless you have to be locked into a path for it to count as the end game? That would make DAi's ending very short indeed, because the game gives you more freedom than DA:O did.

I mean, I get that this isn't an argument... you're just talking feelings. But it's hard to talk about stuff when we don't count that stuff in the same way.

And again, for me, the whole fight with Corypheus was just tedious,

Sure. And the Archdaemon wasn't? I don't think Bio's been able to do a good boss fight since.... maybe BG2.

and even though I *get* the Solas cliffhanger, post-orb, it was DLC bait from the get-go and while I think Bioware are free to do whatever the hell they want with their DLC, I do think it's morally wrong to withold a good ending in favour of selling a better one.
So that means that if you didnt like an intentionally bad ending, you can buy a better one.

This is tinfoil hat territory.

Edit: if I think Hanako should explain stuff, I guess that goes for me too. The theory that Bio would deliberately make the base game worse in order to maybe sell more copies of a final DLC isn't exactly stupid in itself, but it requires Bio to be stupid. DLC sales follow a generally consistent downward slope, all things being equal. Players move on to other things over the course of several months. And how fast they move on depends on how much they liked the base game. If the base game ending is bad, DLC sales drop off even more since the base game experience is worse. That's not a path to making more money, since even if it makes Trespasser sell better, you've burned JoH and The Descent, plus probably depressed sales of DAI proper somewhat.

Of course, it is possible that Bio would do something stupid and counterproductive. This is the same company that decided NWN would be just fine with a single PC and no companions, until the playtesters revolted.

[AlanC9]

Inquisition's base ending is better than Trespasser's in every way, shape, and form. Trespasser was the worst thing to happen to DAI.

If you're going to drop something like that into the thread, it'd be more fun to actually have that debate. Why is Trespasser's ending worse?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Nightscrawl -There wasn't a "collector's edition" of DAI.

My bad, I knew that was the name. I just referred to it as CE since it had collectibles inside. You are right about it having limited quantities but I was hoping to buy it straight from Bioware or something. I had to go in to reserve it instead of online and nada. Called within 100 miles, nada. It really isn't a big deal anymore, I slacked off on DA memorabilia though.

Edit- Quote isn't working on this phone.

[JenMaxon]

I can say that I'm interested in DA4 - I'm interested enough that I keep coming over here to see what's being talked about (same with MEA) - but I'm not sure yet whether that's going to translate into a buy.  In the end, I found DAI a drag.  I get (I think) why people do like it but I found it dull and boring in long parts (with some good bits in between).  I've only played it through once and have no desire whatsoever to play it again.  When I got to Trespasser (which I did play through), I found it very 'meh' and only completed it so that I could finish up with DAI, stop and move onto something else.  TBH, I don't really want to repeat that experience with the next game.  I'd rather play something else. 

 

I played through both DAO again and DAII running up to the release of DAI by way of preparation.  DAI, to my mind, did not compare well.  I was one of those people who initially didn't like DA2 but once I stopped expecting it to be DAO and concentrated on what it was trying to do (tell a story about a group of characters and a place and time), it really grew on me and I consider it to be a really good game, one that achieved what it set out to do very well.  Replaying DAO after quite a break reminded me that it was just an outstanding game.  I think it's on the basis of those two games that I'm still interested.  If I'd only played DAI, I think I would be much less engaged with the development of the new one.

[sonicphoto]

I just finished Inquisition for the first time and my first Dragon Age, still need to play the DLCs but I would definitely buy the next game day one if it has any connections to this game. Minor complains aside one may have with a few things, the amount of content you get in this game, is pretty huge compared to most videogames now a days, that seem to last for a bit for their novelty but that's it so I'm definitely pre-ordering because there is always a big adventure waiting for me. I wish I had started these games sooner, now I have to go backwards and play the first two!

[DarthLaxian]

 

 

You all would probably first find out what the next Dragon Age game would be like like reading the previews and maybe the reviews first before you would buy it so my question is. 

 

What would for you all here on this forum definitely be the reason for buying the new Dragon Age 4 game and also what would be the reason for you to definitely not buy the next Dragon Age game if you would read the previews and maybe the reviews first. Or would you buy the game no matter what so that you would not read or hear anything about the game.

 

So what would be for you the reason that you would buy it or not or would you buy it anyway ? 

 

P.s because i red something a couple of topics ago that someone would not buy the game if it was in a pirate kind of universe.   

 

 

If said game where more like DA:O than DA:I or even DA2 (sorry, but DA:I was not that bad, but it IMHO (almost!) CRIMINALLY WASTED POTENTIAL and the efforts to STRETCH the game (those fetch quests) weren't great either...sure, half way open world was/is nice, but not at the cost of telling a great story without a lot of filler content (note: Side-Quests - which may or may not tie into main quests (like: Help person XYZ and he/she will help you later in the game!) are cool, but fetch quests aren't (especially if you have ****** RE-SPAWNING monsters so that you have to kill **** again and again and even more so if there's so much SPACE between the stuff you are supposed to collect etc.)) then I would consider buying it...if not? Well, maybe on sale, but not around release day!

 

greetings LAX

ps: This time they need to lift NDAs earlier so that I can have a close look at the game on Youtube (note: and they shouldn't even try to put a muzzle on youtubers because they might not jump for joy if they don't like the game!) before buying or even pre-ordering!

 

OH and: I WANT REGENERATING HEALTH AND HEALING BACK (sorry for the caps, but that damned - decaying - barrier system is still crap (unless you play a Knight-Enchanter!))

[XEternalXDreamsX]

If said game where more like DA:O than DA:I or even DA2 (sorry, but DA:I was not that bad, but it IMHO (almost!) CRIMINALLY WASTED POTENTIAL and the efforts to STRETCH the game (those fetch quests) weren't great either...sure, half way open world was/is nice, but not at the cost of telling a great story without a lot of filler content (note: Side-Quests - which may or may not tie into main quests (like: Help person XYZ and he/she will help you later in the game!) are cool, but fetch quests aren't (especially if you have ****** RE-SPAWNING monsters so that you have to kill **** again and again and even more so if there's so much SPACE between the stuff you are supposed to collect etc.)) then I would consider buying it...if not? Well, maybe on sale, but not around release day!

greetings LAX
ps: This time they need to lift NDAs earlier so that I can have a close look at the game on Youtube (note: and they shouldn't even try to put a muzzle on youtubers because they might not jump for joy if they don't like the game!) before buying or even pre-ordering!

OH and: I WANT REGENERATING HEALTH AND HEALING BACK (sorry for the caps, but that damned - decaying - barrier system is still crap (unless you play a Knight-Enchanter!))

I understand why they got rid of healing and natural regeneration with such open areas and give us a reason to have camps (aside from fast travel; which was the only reason I used it. I liked playing a mage that specializes in healing, it's something I enjoyed via RP and party dynamics. The new tree doesn't quite fulfill the RP but it's not bad. I can't complain but I wouldn't mind the return.

[Lord Raijin]

I seem to recall after purchasing the full price of the game off of amazon through preorder that within the few weeks after the release that the game was already on sale. To me that's like rubbing alcohol on a fresh wound. Never again will I preorder anything from Bioware.

 

Will I buy the next game? Probably but I will not be driven by such temptation. I will probably wait a while to see if theirs a sale going on. I won't purchase the game at full price. By waiting will give Bioware time to release patches and fixes. I will let the guinea pigs test this game out, and sniff out any bugs that needs fixing.

[Melyanna]

---- WARNING: RANT ----

 

The real question is "why are people always compelled to go to the spoilers section of a fan forum and complain, badly, about how horrible they think the game is?"

 

Got a suggestion? There is a section for that

Really want to complain because you hate the game? I'd still do that in the suggestion session. No, scrap that, I would do that in a fans forum. Regardless, we heard you the first time. You hate Inquisition? I am sorry that you feel this way, but sure there is another way to voice your opinion?
(Note: while *you* in this case is a generic *you* and not directed specifically at the OP, this *is* one of those threads that can easily start a flame or just a string of complaints).

 

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Now that the rant is over, the only reason for me not to ever buy the next Bioware game is if it were a multiplayer only game.
I don't usually pre-order things though, so I'd but the next DA or Mass Effect when it's out.

[Vanilka]

I've had a lot of fun with Inquisition (Not that it is flawless, but even still!) and I'm pretty excited about another DA game coming, so I'll probably buy the game early on.

 

I'd definitely be even more excited if they decided to draw a little more from Origins - particularly the way each area had its own story consisting of one large quest (e.g. Broken Circle) and perhaps a set of unrelated but relevant quests that helped us understand how the world works (e.g. Zerlinda, Cammen's Lament). But this set-up is not absolutely necessary for me if they have another good way to handle this sort of stuff.

 

The only thing I can currently think of that would make me not buy it and make my own opinion of it would be if the reviews generally agreed it were trash, I guess. I might need a lot of time and convincing if they tried repeating Hawke, their dialogue options and personality in particular, but I suppose I'd give it a chance if the rest of the game looked good.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I'll probably pre order DA4. I do want to see the concept and know the system requirements first though. If the concept seems shoddy or, I have or upgrade too much, then I won't be pre ordering. I have no problem with one or two upgrades to play but, if I need to basically rebuild my whole rig, then the game can wait until after that's done and, it may take several months to afford the components I need.

[Obliviousmiss]

---- WARNING: RANT ----

 

The real question is "why are people always compelled to go to the spoilers section of a fan forum and complain, badly, about how horrible they think the game is?"

 

Got a suggestion? There is a section for that

Really want to complain because you hate the game? I'd still do that in the suggestion session. No, scrap that, I would do that in a fans forum. Regardless, we heard you the first time. You hate Inquisition? I am sorry that you feel this way, but sure there is another way to voice your opinion?
(Note: while *you* in this case is a generic *you* and not directed specifically at the OP, this *is* one of those threads that can easily start a flame or just a string of complaints).

 

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I  Bioware, and everything that comes out of it.....therefore.....I will preorder Mass Effect Andromeda and DA4 the second they're available for preorder. 

 

Even if it doesn't come out for a year.

 

Believe me, I had Uncharted 4 pre-orded 18 months before it's release next month. 

[AlanC9]

According to what criteria? The degree of surprise involved?

More interest in what's coming next. Remember, I was responding to nightscrawl, who pointed out that the primary difference between the two endings is that DAI has the Solas "stinger" scene while DA:O simply stops after the slideshow.

TBH I was more involved with Morrigan and my countless questions at the end of DA:O than with the Solas cliffhanger. May just be me, but I cared for the HoF, for Morrigan, and the others too. I cannot say the same about DA:I which generally failed to incite emotional investment in anything.

How is this related to the ending, though? Sounds like you had a problem with the whole game.

[AlanC9]

I seem to recall after purchasing the full price of the game off of amazon through preorder that within the few weeks after the release that the game was already on sale. To me that's like rubbing alcohol on a fresh wound.
 

Isn't this quite typical for games? I can't remember a game which didn't have a sale someplace at some point in the first month.

[Kabraxal]

Isn't this quite typical for games? I can't remember a game which didn't have a sale someplace at some point in the first month.

And around Christmas at that.

[Iakus]

Doubt I'll preorder.  But I would look into getting the game.

 

I've been burned by Bioware too many times to trust blindly though.

 

Likely I will spoil myself on the endings (again), and check to see what promises are made concerning MP interfering with SP

[bzombo]

I'll be buying. Heck, I bought Inquisition for PC and the 360.