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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Is it just me or is the Chantry pro adultery and pro polygamy ? Their prophet is someone who got married to the Maker even though she was already legally married to Maferath.

 

Here's the relevant quotation from the Dragon Age Wiki.

 

Andraste was married to Maferath to create a unified Alamarri border that stretched from the Planasene through the Fertile Crescent to the Bannorn. It was at the time the largest alliance the barbarians of the South had ever attempted.

 

From an early age, Andraste suffered troubling dreams of a deity known as the Maker.Over time she began to interpret these dreams as the answer to questions that plagued her, and she came to believe that the Maker was the supreme being who had abandoned the world when his people took up the worship of the Old Gods, those beings worshipped in particular by the Tevinter Imperium. According to Chantry canon, after having fled the Imperium and marrying the warlord Maferath, Andraste appealed to the godsbut her prayers went unanswered. She would sing, and one day the Maker, enchanted by her voice, invited her to join Him at His side.

 

So Andraste joins the Maker spiritually (f*cked a powerful Fade spirit, probably did it dreamer style like Solas and Lavellan at Haven) while she was legally and lawfully wedded to Maferath.

 

Heck, just imagine the whole thing taking place:

 

Maferath:- "You cheated on me with a Fade spirit, wench !"

 

Andraste:- "Its Fade sex and Fade penis, so it doesn't count"

 

 

*goes on having Fade sex with Maker*

 

It reminds me of Joseph and Mary. Mary cheats on Joseph with god but its okay because she is still a virgin.Later on, Andraste becomes Maker's spiritual bride (probably had a wedding in the Fade).

 

Maferath:- "You did what ?!"

 

Andraste:- "Its okay, it was in just a Fade wedding. He is my Fade husband !"

 

Maferath:- *facepalms*

 

Andraste:- *enters a dream state to enjoy her Fade nupital night.*

 

Then there's the rumors (probably more than rumors) that Andraste slept with Shartan, during their rebellion against Tevinter. You can find this being discussed in The Masked Empire page 109 and 110.

 

While Maferath is out leading the army and fighting hard, Andraste is out cheating again. That guy really can't catch a break can he ? He must be the biggest cuck in Thedas. On top of it all, he gets branded as the villain by history.

 

My point is this :- The Chantry follow the teachings of Andraste and look up to her. Andraste cheated on her husband, twice (as far as we know) - Once with a Fade spirit and the second time with an Elf. Logically, this means that the Andrastian Chantry supports adultery and polygamy.

[Abyss108]

Maferath had several wives/concubines, so polygamy all around if we take the "wife of the maker" thing literally, which I wouldn't.

[Reznore57]

Back in Andraste time , a husband could have multiple wives.Don't think it was working the other way around though.

Anyway current Thedas look down at this , thinking it was all distasful barbarian tradition.

 

As for Andraste and the Maker , well it's a spiritual marriage so not exactly the same as a normal marriage.

And Shartan and Andraste touching each others in places are just rumors .

In the Masked Empire it's a comedy to mock Empress Celene and Briala.It's more likely the Chantry would burn the heretic actors than going" but of course Andraste was cheating on her husband/sleeping with elves/ had funny relationship with her generals."

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Maferath had several wives/concubines, so polygamy all around if we take the "wife of the maker" thing literally, which I wouldn't.

 

But Maferath isn't the prophet of a religion.

[mrs_anomaly]

I hope that Andraste did have an affair with Shartan!

[Abyss108]

But Maferath isn't the prophet of a religion.

 

I know? 

 

Just pointing out polygamy was quite normal at the time. Considering everything else Andraste was up too, I don't think polygamy would be people's largest surprise. I don't see why anyone back then would have taken issue with it.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I know? 

 

Just pointing out polygamy was quite normal at the time. Considering everything else Andraste was up too, I don't think polygamy would be people's largest surprise. I don't see why anyone back then would have taken issue with it.

 

How about adultery ? Doubt that's normal.

[Abyss108]

How about adultery ? Doubt that's normal.

 

Adultery is having sex with a person who is not your wife/husband. So, yes, since Maferath was having sex with concubines, and this was a common thing, it was very normal back then. 

[Reznore57]

How about adultery ? Doubt that's normal.

 

You have nobles having lovers on the side , Vivienne and her Duke , you have a codex about a Ferelden lord who had a lover and build him a fort and the wife was okay with this.

In Tevinter , it seems magisters hangs in brothels or have sex with some of their slaves , and it's not shocking for them.

Although it doesn't mean it works that way for peasents.

It seems for nobles it's understood marriage is business , and emotional /sexual needs can be fulfilled out of wedlock.

I guess there's some etiquette/social code about the whole thing , and depending on the countries you can sleep with certain people and not others , go in public with the lover or not etc etc...

 

Edit : not saying the Chantry has anything to do with that though.It seems the Chantry as a religion doesn't bother much with the sexual life of its followers.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

You really have a grudge against the chantry Bayonetto!?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You really has have a grudge against the chantry  Bayonetto Bayonet !?

 

FTFY,

 

I am simply making a point that the Chantry's prophet is an adulterous woman and since the Chantry looks up to her and her actions, they condone adultery.

 

Its probably wise to stay way from Chantry women. They will cheat on your character with a Fade spirit or an Elf and say its perfect okay, because Andraste did it.

[Abyss108]

Seems quite OK to me, as long as all parties are agreed to it, which it seems like they were back then.

[Big I]

FTFY,

 

I am simply making a point that the Chantry's prophet is an adulterous woman and since the Chantry looks up to her and her actions, they condone adultery.

 

Its probably wise to stay way from Chantry women. They will cheat on your character with a Fade spirit or an Elf and say its perfect okay, because Andraste did it.

 

1) There's no evidence that Andraste and the Maker ever had a physical relationship, even if he is real.

 

2) Since Maferath had multiple sexual partners, it'd be more like he and Andraste were in an open/polygamous relationship.

 

3) After Andraste the Chantry (for some bizarre reason) embraced celibacy.

[Secret Rare]

Back in Andraste time , a husband could have multiple wives.Don't think it was working the other way around though.

 

Women are sluts if they sleep around but men are not same old preconception that it applies from the Earth to Thedas.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

FTFY,

 

I am simply making a point that the Chantry's prophet is an adulterous woman and since the Chantry looks up to her and her actions, they condone adultery.

 

Its probably wise to stay way from Chantry women. They will cheat on your character with a Fade spirit or an Elf and say its perfect okay, because Andraste did it.

If only i was a true british man,such naive mistakes but i have always the edit button gotcha!

I don't know what kind of woman Andraste was , i agree that adultery is not good for a prophet which  is better  in celibacy

thus i don't like the whole idea of leliana of being Divine and have a lover at the same time.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

Women are sluts if they sleep around but men are not same old preconception that it applies from the Earth to Thedas.

 

 

Andraste became the prophet of a religion. Its not exactly good for a prophet to be a cheater. #justsaying

[Akiza]

Maferath had several wives/concubines, so polygamy all around if we take the "wife of the maker" thing literally, which I wouldn't.

I was observing your avatar abyss is mesmerizing for me.

I find it weird that Andraste and FLemeth wear the same headdress.

[Abyss108]

 

I was observing your avatar abyss is mesmerizing for me.

I find it weird that Andraste and FLemeth wear the same headdress.

 

 

*googles pictures of Andraste*

 

How did I only just realise this?!? They are kinda similar. 

[Reznore57]

*googles pictures of Andraste*

 

How did I only just realise this?!? They are kinda similar. 

 

Off topic rambling about Andraste/Flemythal.

Spoiler

This troubles me greatly actually.

Don't wanna pour oil on the fire , but Andraste resting temple , Haven , was on some ancient elf temple , you can find a mosaic of Mythal underneath the place.

And the Andraste cults there was one of the oldest and less influenced by external politics , Chantry politics and "agenda " etc , and those dude were worshipping a dragon.

 

I do not like the idea of Andrate = Mythal , I have to be honest .

But sometimes there's just some details that make me go "maker , please , no..."because there is some weird stuff for sure.

 

[The Baconer]

Oooooh noooooo my world is ruined. 

 

You mean polyandry btw. Also the Andraste/Shartan thing was a contemporary propaganda piece, there is no reason to assume there were sexual relations between the two, assuming Shartan was actually one individual. 

[Akiza]

*googles pictures of Andraste*

 

How did I only just realise this?!? They are kinda similar. 

The statue of Mythal in the Altar is also depicted with that headdress.

[Big I]

I don't know what kind of woman Andraste was , i agree that adultery is not good for a prophet which  is better  in celibacy

thus i don't like the whole idea of leliana of being Divine and have a lover at the same time.

 

Why? Andraste FOUNDED her religion (ok, there was an ancient Tevinter cult of the Maker, but certainly the modern Chant). SHE decides what is and is not acceptable within it. I actually found it bizarre that the Chantry embraced celibacy despite their Prophet having an earthly husband as well as a divine one.

 

If anything Leliana's reforming the Chant to be more in line with how Andraste lived her life. I mean Andraste had biological children, they didn't appear out of thin air.

 

And since Maferath had concubines, it would be polygamy, not adultery. They're different things.

[Shechinah]

Maferath did end up betraying her and she did end up with the Maker who was her spiritual husband so it may be that the Chantry is emulating the latter relationship by having the celibacy be symbolic of the spiritual relationship between Andraste and the Maker.   

[Donquijote and 59 others]

^What @Shechinah said

It is not her religion it is the religion that worship the Maker built upon the events of her life.

What Leliana is doing is a step back.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Figures... Andraste the holy strumpet had slept with who-knows how many men before the Maker decided to wed her. That b*tch must be highly skilled on the bed rather than the battlefield.