I'd rather focus on the future than dwell on "What could've been...." with DAI as well as anything else in life. What's done is done. Yes, it could have been even more fantastical. Could it have beaten the Witcher 3? I don't know....I liked DAI better than the Witcher 3.
Thankfully Mass Effect Andromeda and all other Bioware products are leaving he past generation behind. 
I agree. I mean I already think DA I was the better of the two games but any of the flaws, the vast majority of DA Is flaws would have been obliterated if it did not have to rely on last gen support to do its...thing? And looking at Witcher 3 I can see great stories in terms of side quests without sacrificing all the other things that make BioWare, BioWare.
What is this thread even about again?
Oh, right, my fantasy merger between CDProjekt Red and Bioware on DA4, in which the grand world of Thedas and the mystery of the Evanuris are expertly manifested in top-notch coding, combat mechanics, and intricate level design, while also keeping dudebro essences in check.
nsfw fantasy merger btw/ bioware and cdprojektred: who is the subsidiary?
Would be okay I guess but not as good as the Dragon Age and South Park merger mkay.
The poor story can't have been helped by the fact that originally the game was only going to be one race. A whole lot of things changed in between the build that they showed off in private as pre-alpha and then what we got.
yeah that was exactly my point everyone has their fave but I think both games achieved what they set out to. Personally I prefer DA because it's combat system suits me more as I'm better working as a member of a team in the game rather than on my own and DA allows me to do that as you lead a squad of 4 throughout the games
I have to admit, I'm yet to play The Witcher (I own the first two, though) but the constant Witcher vs DA arguments that keep being started here (not this thread, since the main focus is supposed to be on what DAI could've been if not for the last gen games) is making me not want to play them.
Good job, Witcher fans.
The poor story can't have been helped by the fact that originally the game was only going to be one race. A whole lot of things changed in between the build that they showed off in private as pre-alpha and then what we got.
Yeah, I think this is likely the case. But making the games for five platforms could not have helped.
Yes, sparring with the Witcher fans here and elsewhere soured me on this series.
That, and the prospect of roleplaying that tool Geralt.
You seem to be quoting me, but also not quoting me?
You seem to be quoting me, but also not quoting me?
Something strange happened to that post. I suspect blood magic may be at work. 
Isn't bayonet the same guy who said all Muslims are evil and that there are no moderat Muslims?
We should probably pull this back into discussion of an idea(s) instead of a person.
Isn't bayonet the same guy who said all Muslims are evil and that there are no moderat Muslims?
I was initially wary of TW3, since I tend to prefer customisable PCs, generally play as a female, and I like the party banter and dynamics. Skyrim felt somewhat lonely to me, for example. Add to that the fact that I love the Dragon Age IP and lore, whereas I'd never played a Witcher game before.
And then I actually played TW3 and boy, was I wrong. I loved the combat, the plot, the sidequests, and even though I was forced to play as a gravel voiced sour puss, I found Geralt to be a thoroughly likeable protagonist. While I did miss having a customisable PC, the game did many other things well enough for me to still have a fantastic time.
If you're doubtful you'd enjoy it, I'd honestly still recommend trying it out if you can find a reasonably priced copy. You might be as pleasantly surprised as I was.
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I have to admit, I'm yet to play The Witcher (I own the first two, though) but the constant Witcher vs DA arguments that keep being started here (not this thread, since the main focus is supposed to be on what DAI could've been if not for the last gen games) is making me not want to play them.
Good job, Witcher fans.
Yeah, I think this is likely the case. But making the games for five platforms could not have helped.
Yeah I have the witcher games and I have played the first one a little bit but lost my save half way through because I had issues with my PC at the time but I've played the combat enough to realise that it was different to what I'm used to and I did enjoy it. But combat wise I personally prefer the way DA handles it. I've always just struggled a little bit with RPG's wherre you fight on your own. Even with Deus Ex I sometimes struggle. I just haven't had a chance to go back and try again since then I will eventually though. Whereas the team combo style that both ME and DA seems to suit the way I play
Yeah I think rtying to include the last gen in this game I think was the main mistake BW made with DAI as while it may not be the reason why some things happened like the pointless feeling fetch quests that people complained about and all that it certainly I don't think helped matters. But then had they may have included moer content to do with these fetch quests had they had the resources
That's subjective.
A choice of race and gender, with the option to romance a large variety of characters, several of whom have stories that meant to appeal to women (both straight and gay) rather than men?
Yeah, DAI wins.
(see, I can do it too!)
As a dating sim, DAI wins. Correct.
As a dating sim, DAI wins. Correct.
Nah, there's not enough dating.
As a dating sim, DAI wins. Correct.
Needs more dating.
Nahh, DAI wins because I say it does.
Because it's subjective.
Yeah, keep CDPR out of my DAI!That's subjective.
A choice of race and gender, with the option to romance a large variety of characters, several of whom have stories that meant to appeal to women (both straight and gay) rather than men?
Yeah, DAI wins.
(see, I can do it too!)
Forgive me if this was posted earlier, I don't have time to read the entire thread, but my take on Inquisition is this.
There were several issues that happened with Inquisition from different sources. Part of it was console related such as some of the cut content from the Gamescon video, another part was BioWare's fault by not expecting people to want to clear out an entire area, another fault from BioWare is the adaptive gameplay time that they believe we want and made the game with 80 hours of non-critical content, and another part is our own expectations of what a BioWare game is and isn't.
With that said I did enjoy Inquisition, was it my favorite BioWare game? No, for I had to alter the way I normally play to not feel like I was just grinding content.
I was initially wary of TW3, since I tend to prefer customisable PCs, generally play as a female, and I like the party banter and dynamics. Skyrim felt somewhat lonely to me, for example. Add to that the fact that I love the Dragon Age IP and lore, whereas I'd never played a Witcher game before.
And then I actually played TW3 and boy, was I wrong. I loved the combat, the plot, the sidequests, and even though I was forced to play as a gravel voiced sour puss, I found Geralt to be a thoroughly likeable protagonist. While I did miss having a customisable PC, the game did many other things well enough for me to still have a fantastic time.
If you're doubtful you'd enjoy it, I'd honestly still recommend trying it out if you can find a reasonably priced copy. You might be as pleasantly surprised as I was.
This was my initial take on it as well and I thoroughly enjoyed that world - once (actually twice because I wanted to see the other ending). I saw no point in redoing the whole thing since you remain Geralt and a witcher no matter what. That being said, and while some might deem it a form a plagiarism, I personally don't see any problem with Bioware taking its inspiration from CDRed, for those things they did so well, like side quests (Red Baron anyone!?), elves or creating a sprawling, living, breathing city like Novigrad. What's more they could achieve this without sacrificing what makes BW games unique. All they need is a good story, a focused design and as little interference from the mindless corporate suits as possible.
Yeah, keep CDPR out of my DAI!
I just looked up on CDPR's next project, Cyberpunk 2077, and what I saw in the trailer didn't ease my fears of how the developer treats women in their games. Granted, the video I saw is a few years old and I don't know the state of the game at this point. But the trailer depicts a scantily clad woman/cyborg on her knees surrounded by dead bodies and geared up men shooting at her. She's frozen in place, almost in shock and a man walks up behind her and holds a gun to her head. Next we see her geared up and apparently part of the team, which is good, but that part of the video only lasts a second. That trailer has so many problematic elements; I have to question why that was what they chose to put out there and why they focused on a sexualized woman in a vulnerable position without any agency. The world actually looks interesting but from what I've seen, this game might be more of the same stuff I don't want to see.
"The world of Cyberpunk 2077 presents a grim vision of the future. Tech advancement went hand in hand with the decay of society...Psychos go on rampages and the streets are filled with junkies addicted to a new form of entertainment – the braindance, a cheap way to experience the emotions and stimuli of someone else, someone living a more exciting life"
A simple google search turned this out.The woman in the trailer may be a serial killer, or someone living the experience of a serial killer, or someone recording the serial killer experience for someone else as entertainment. "Vulnerable" she is not.
The game will portray the decadence of society, but of course you can't understand that, you see a woman with revealing clothing and go "OMG this developer disrespects women". People like you will never understand Cyberpunk, or The Witcher, or Grand Theft Auto, Game of Thrones /A Song of Ice and Fire etc.
"The world of Cyberpunk 2077 presents a grim vision of the future. Tech advancement went hand in hand with the decay of society...Psychos go on rampages and the streets are filled with junkies addicted to a new form of entertainment – the braindance, a cheap way to experience the emotions and stimuli of someone else, someone living a more exciting life"
A simple google search turned this out.The woman in the trailer may be a serial killer, or someone living the experience of a serial killer, or someone recording the serial killer experience for someone else as entertainment. "Vulnerable" she is not.
The game will portray the decadence of society, but of course you can't understand that, you see a woman with revealing clothing and go "OMG this developer disrespects women". People like you will never understand Cyberpunk, or The Witcher, or Grand Theft Auto, Game of Thrones /A Song of Ice and Fire etc.
Forgive me if this was posted earlier, I don't have time to read the entire thread, but my take on Inquisition is this.
There were several issues that happened with Inquisition from different sources. Part of it was console related such as some of the cut content from the Gamescon video, another part was BioWare's fault by not expecting people to want to clear out an entire area, another fault from BioWare is the adaptive gameplay time that they believe we want and made the game with 80 hours of non-critical content, and another part is our own expectations of what a BioWare game is and isn't.
With that said I did enjoy Inquisition, was it my favorite BioWare game? No, for I had to alter the way I normally play to not feel like I was just grinding content.
You make some good points.
I'm guilty of cleaning out the Hinterlands too, but at least a part of the reason is that previous BioWare games often had a tendency to make initial areas unavailable as the story progressed. It has almost become a gut reaction for me - when a BioWare game tells me to go north, I turn south and clean up everything behind me since I'm not sure I'll ever get back to the place.
You make some good points.
I'm guilty of cleaning out the Hinterlands too, but at least a part of the reason is that previous BioWare games often had a tendency to make initial areas unavailable as the story progressed. It has almost become a gut reaction for me - when a BioWare game tells me to go north, I turn south and clean up everything behind me since I'm not sure I'll ever get back to the place.
What do you have in mind?
it seems like I'm more familiar with them destroying their initial areas. Ostagar, Kotor, Eden Prime, etc.. While with DA2, you just want make sure you don't leave things undone in each Act.
I don't really recall being them being this open in the first place.
I don't really recall being them being this open in the first place.
Yep, you're right, I don't either.
They simply changed their approach to that with DAI. This time most main quests are happening in special areas that you can't visit before or afterwards while the standard zones remain untouched by the main storyline. Either approach makes sure they don't have to make changes to their maps to reflect the state of the ongoing storyline.
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