GTK lol
I just said "filthy" bc of the "filthy casual" reference
Hilariously I despise mobile games and my white husband loves them
Well, I don't even own a phone. But if I pick these up, they're fun enough.
Some of the popular ones ARE filthy though. It seemed impossible to lose at Candy Crush. 
Well, I don't even own a phone. But if I pick these up, they're fun enough.
Some of the popular ones ARE filthy though. It seemed impossible to lose at Candy Crush.
*shuns straykat*
The latest Pew research says that, in terms of consoles, at least, 42% of US women report having one in their household as compared to 37% of men. Here in the UK I know loads of female gamers. I don't think that mobile gamers are distorting the stats nearly as much as some claim, at least in the west...
Edit: Fixed hotlink to research.
*shuns straykat*
I need to keep these things to myself. 
The latest Pew research says that, in terms of consoles, at least, 42% of US women report having one in their household as compared to 37% of men. Here in the UK I know loads of female gamers. I don't think that mobile gamers are distorting the stats nearly as much as some claim, at least in the west..
That also changed drastically with the Wii. How many are buying the new ones?
And in a game like DAI... which went out of it's way to be neutral (barring some marketing), it's still a 70/30 divide with gender. Mass Effect was 80/20. At least as far as characters go.
It'd have been better if it had had better PC controls from the start.
Uh, huh. I only have your posts to go by and so far they are remarkably ignorant on how real economies work. I'm going to call BS on you or urge you to get a refund on your education. Additionally, its odd that you can't seem to grasp that current markets do not exist independently from the predominant culture in which they reside.This means that the gaming industry grew up in a culture that values the straight white male perspective over all others. Therefore, they catered to that perspective resulting in males being their biggest consumer base. This did not have to be the case. You seem to think the current cultural paradigm is by default the natural state of the world. News flash, hun, it's not and the market is changing.
Also, if you don't understand what the male perspective is, put those supposed research skills to work and find out as this is relevant to the discussion.
Your low blows make you look silly darling. I suggest you try harder.
Gaming industry grew up in a culture that values the straight male perspective over all others ? What about the Asian gaming industry. Stop being so Asiaphobic maia, and check your American privilege.
The market is subject to force of biology and biologically, men and women are different. We think differently and we do things differently. Similarly, men and women as a collective gravitate towards different video games.
Women tend to gravitate towards games like Candy Crush, Farmville, Cake Mania, Sims, etc. Men tend to gravitate towards MOBAs, RPGs, Shooters, Action, Racing, Strategy, Simulation, etc.
A bunch of women complaining on a single topic in a single forum is not going to change the fact that the RPG gaming market is male dominated and will be male dominated for the foreseeable future, in the same way no complaining will change the fact that Sims is female dominated and will be female dominated for the foreseeable future.
Also, isn't it ironic how men do not go into games that are female dominated and demand that the game developers of those games make changes to suit them and ignore their dominant customer base, but women will happily go into games that are male dominated and demand that game developers of those games make changes to suit them and ignore their dominant customer base. Smh.
The latest Pew research says that, in terms of consoles, at least, 42% of US women report having one in their household as compared to 37% of men. Here in the UK I know loads of female gamers. I don't think that mobile gamers are distorting the stats nearly as much as some claim, at least in the west..
That's because more men are part of the Glorious PC Master Race. Let the peasantry and mobile games be female dominated, while we men dominate the one platform where is really matters - PC. Hail Gaben, the straight white male god of the PC Master Race.
Your low blows make you look silly darling. I suggest you try harder.
Gaming industry grew up in a culture that values the straight male perspective over all others ? What about the Asian gaming industry. Stop being so Asiaphobic maia, and check your American privilege.
The market is subject to force of biology and biologically, men and women are different. We think differently and we do things differently. Similarly, men and women as a collective gravitate towards different video games.
Women tend to gravitate towards games like Candy Crush, Farmville, Cake Mania, Sims, etc. Men tend to gravitate towards MOBAs, RPGs, Shooters, Action, Racing, Strategy, Simulation, etc.
A bunch of women complaining on a single topic in a single forum is not going to change the fact that the RPG gaming market is male dominated and will be male dominated for the foreseeable future, in the same way no complaining will change the fact that Sims is female dominated and will be female dominated for the foreseeable future.
Also, isn't it ironic how men do not go into games that are female dominated and demand that the game developers of those games make changes to suit them and ignore their dominant customer base, but women will happily go into games that are male dominated and demand that game developers of those games make changes to suit them and ignore their dominant customer base. Smh.
That's because more men are part of the Glorious PC Master Race. Let the peasantry and mobile games be female dominated, while we men dominate the one platform where is really matters - PC. Hail Gaben, the straight white male god of the PC Master Race.
Massive SMH moment right here ^ TIL that my gaming preferences/purchases are the male domain and my opinion should just be internal and never to be voiced /sarcasm.
Also American privilege yo, as a fellow Asian person, surely you know that the markets are completely different between Asia and the West? There is some overlap but only a certain subset of people will even play JRPG's for example.
Also none of the female gamers I know and hang out with online and in multiplayer games likes any of the games you decided to tell use we like.
Asian here too. That's like 4 Asians in this thread.
Anyways, the demographic needs to be paid attention to. I just think it might be overstated for AAA games. Even with titles that try their best to make it noticeably inclusive, like DA and ME.
Are you actually arguing that Asian video games are made with women's perspectives in mind? LolYour low blows make you look silly darling. I suggest you try harder.
Gaming industry grew up in a culture that values the straight male perspective over all others ? What about the Asian gaming industry. Stop being so Asiaphobic maia, and check your American privilege.
The market is subject to force of biology and biologically, men and women are different. We think differently and we do things differently. Similarly, men and women as a collective gravitate towards different video games.
Women tend to gravitate towards games like Candy Crush, Farmville, Cake Mania, Sims, etc. Men tend to gravitate towards MOBAs, RPGs, Shooters, Action, Racing, Strategy, Simulation, etc.
A bunch of women complaining on a single forums is not going to change the fact that the RPG gaming market is male dominated and will be male dominated, in the same way no complaining will change the fact that Sims is female dominated and will be female dominated.
That's because more men are part of the Glorious PC Master Race.
I've clearly been playing and buying the wrong games my entire life. No one told me I was supposed to gravitate to 'games' like Candy Crush or Farmville. Damn and I was having so much fun playing shooters and RPGs.
I've clearly been playing and buying the wrong games my entire life. No one told me I was supposed to gravitate to 'games' like Candy Crush or Farmville. Damn and I was having so much fun playing shooters and RPGs.
Women tend to gravitate towards games like Candy Crush, Farmville, Cake Mania, Sims, etc. Men tend to gravitate towards MOBAs, RPGs, Shooters, Action, Racing, Strategy, Simulation, etc.
Apparently I am also secretly a man! Who knew? (And what does it mean that I like point-and-click adventure games? Are those girly or not?)
While many of my female friends like to play stereotypically 'female' games, they also like other things. My BFF who loves The Sims and otome phone games also plays a lot of strategy and city building games like the Civilization series, and my other BFF likes Candy Crush but also owns an XBone and likes shooters and action games. (Far more than I do, since I have the reflexes of a dead goldfish.)
Of course, most of my female friends are people I met through tabletop gaming and LARPing ...
I can't stand behind that opinion either. Sorry, Bayonet 
i think the demographics are smaller, but wouldn't argue it's some inherent part of our natures or anything.
Having NPCs who take a dump on the player character for no reason is lecturing. Iron Bull vfor example, does lecture your protagonist. That's not appealing content because if I wanted to be lectured on, I would visit lecturers and people who give sermons, not game developers.
Much like in real life people tend to get offended when you misgender their friends. I took that option once to see if it really was as 'pandering' and 'agenda filled' as the complainers said. I found it lacking in either.
No one has said women are the largest demographic of gamers but the gap between the amount of women playing vs men is far less than most want to talk about and I'm not talking about "filthy mobile games" which people LOVE to bring up when it comes to statistics for women vs men playing games. Then if you're talking about this I suppose you would be talking about "core gamers" in terms of which type of gamers you two are referring to.
Now with that said, while I largely respect your opinions Stray and Bayonet. But it's ok if a person says they prefer to play one way or another. Just like you say Bayonet if you prefer playing games with fewer info dumps and more sexy times with the ladies...well spend your money there!
And if I prefer to spend my time and money on games that allow me to be a female PC and has relatively more character depth than a lot of other games than I will spend my efforts on that.
How is this even an argument?
Exactly! Just because something is no longer catering exclusivly towards one demographic doesn't mean said demographic is being excluded. All we want is games that are inclusive towards everyone - that includes the Straight White Male demographic. And the more inclusive games become, the wider they will appeal.
Women tend to gravitate towards games like Candy Crush, Farmville, Cake Mania, Sims, etc. Men tend to gravitate towards MOBAs, RPGs, Shooters, Action, Racing, Strategy, Simulation, etc.
Thank you for telling me what I should like. Clearly my Feeble Woman Brain was too clogged up with shopping and thinking about making dinner to realise that I shouldn't like survival horror, third person shooters, turn based strategy RPGs and action RPGs. I'll throw out my retro games too, and get rid of my gaming PC while I'm at it. And my growing collection of consoles. Phew, good thing you told me before I brought any more! That would be embrassing.
(and for the record, I also like the Sims and other so-called 'casual' games).
Oooo, wait, do I get extra Man Points for having built my own gaming PC? (Not that I need them with all these RPGs I have. I'll have testosterone leaking out of my pores soon.)
Lol, does not compute! Clearly you must be a man if you like RPGs and shooters! Qun logic!
All these years and I had no idea.
Oooo, wait, do I get extra Man Points for having built my own gaming PC? (Not that I need them with all these RPGs I have. I'll have testosterone leaking out of my pores soon.)
Oh, me! I did that! I did it all by myself too without any help.
I play video games to have fun, to challenge myself and to meet new people. I don't play video games to get lectured on by game developers.
But presumably only to meet new people with your same opinions and values? The risk of meeting new people is that they're not going to agree with you. That includes game developers. They are allowed to produce content that reflects their opinions and values, just as you are allowed to purchase that product or not if you disagree with those opinions and values.
But presumably only to meet new people with your same opinions and values? The risk of meeting new people is that they're not going to agree with you. That includes game developers. They are allowed to produce content that reflects their opinions and values, just as you are allowed to purchase that product or not if you disagree with those opinions and values.
I've noticed that things only become an 'agenda' and 'SJW pandering' when it's stuff that dudebro gamers don't agree with. It ignores the possiblity that writers are including these characters and themes because they want to.
Anyone who ever says "men like x and women like y" is dead wrong. The most you can ever meaningfully say is "statistically speaking, a greater percentage of men tend to like x as compared to women". Usually there's far more variance on any issue among members of the same sex than there is difference between sexes. You just get the peak of the bell curve moved a bit from one sex to another.
Male audiences prefer fast-paced explosive action and combat women tend to prefer in-game communication and interpersonal relationships (character development and plot dynamics).
Source:- http://web.archive.o...g/102702/8.html
Thomas W. Malone of Stanford University found that girls preferred to play a Hangman video game over a darts simulation that boys enjoyed.
Source:- https://archive.org/...e/n259/mode/2up
Compared to males, female MMORPG players tend to place more emphasis on socialization relative to achievement-oriented play. This emphasis on socialization extends beyond just the game itself: In a study published in the Journal of Communication in 2009, researchers found that 61% of female MMORPG players played with a romantic partner, compared to 24% of men.
Source:- http://onlinelibrary...7D4A1E6.f04t04\
Women are often characterized as preferring story-driven games or constructive games like The Sims or Civilization.
Source:- http://www.engadget....arketing-games/
The expansion of entrepreneurial feminism and the concept of "games by girls for girls" that has been embraced by companies such as Her Interactive, Silicon Sisters, and Purple Moon - all video gaming start ups that are female owned and largely female staffed. Creating games designed with regard to sociological, psychological, and cognitive research into girls' cultural interests, such companies hope to awaken a female-only market emphasizing fundamental differences between what girls want and what boys want in gaming.
Source:- http://fubini.swarth.../compvideo.html
So where do you think this differences between male gamers and female gamers comes from ? Magic ? Is it purely culturally driven and socially driven ? Or is there a biological difference between men and women as a collective (I mentioned the word collective, tend to, etc multiple times before, but people don't get it that its as a group) coupled with cultural difference that cause this ?
But please, by all means keep on parroting the ridiculously preposterous "Its just culture and society!" postmodernist nonsense while completely ignoring the reality that humans are the fifth ape and therefore are subject to the forces of evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology just as much as any other animal.
Source:- http://web.archive.o...g/102702/8.html
Source:- https://archive.org/...e/n259/mode/2up
Source:- http://onlinelibrary...7D4A1E6.f04t04\
Source:- http://www.engadget....arketing-games/
Source:- http://fubini.swarth.../compvideo.html
So where do you think this differences between male gamers and female gamers comes from ? Magic ? Is it purely culturally driven and socially driven ? Or is there a biological difference between men and women as a collective (I mentioned the word collective, tend to, etc multiple times before, but people don't get it that its as a group) coupled with cultural difference that cause this ?
But please, by all means keep on parroting the ridiculously preposterous "Its just culture and society!" postmodernist nonsense while completely ignoring the reality that humans are the fifth ape and therefore are subject to the forces of evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology just as much as any other animal.
Or you could listen to the actual women in the thread telling you stuff.
Or you could listen to the actual women in the thread telling you stuff.
Pfff They aren't worth listening to.
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