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[Secret Rare]

Those  are all analogies   that represents something as better or worse than it really is.

[mrs_anomaly]

Bayonet: your topic headlines are starting to sound like clickbait or gossip magazines 

 

 

No, mages are not mentally ill. They are just feared for having powers that the others do not have nor that the others in the population can control. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Have you ever heard of muggles?

According to Solas and Lord Voldemort they are the mentally ill because they can't do magic.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Bayonet: your topic headlines are starting to sound like clickbait or gossip magazines 

 

Thank you for your support anomaly. It is greatly appreciated.

[Halfdan The Menace]

I refuse to side with mages and witchcraft. Even in The Witcher I don't want either Triss/Yen/ whatever. Magic is foul indeed.

Need more skilled warriors like Aveline, Beskha and Brienne Of Tarth.

[Catilina]

I refuse to side with mages and witchcraft. Even in The Witcher I don't want either Triss/Yen/ whatever. Magic is foul indeed.

Need more skilled warriors like Aveline, Beskha and Brienne Of Tarth.

Kill them all and let the Maker sort them out!

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I refuse to side with mages and witchcraft. Even in The Witcher I don't want either Triss/Yen/ whatever. Magic is foul indeed.

 

Shani for life. She is the best redhead in fiction.

[Xerrai]

I refuse to side with mages and witchcraft. Even in The Witcher I don't want either Triss/Yen/ whatever. Magic is foul indeed.

Need more skilled warriors like Aveline, Beskha and Brienne Of Tarth.

So that whole Witcher plot of burning mages alive, torturing them and downright trying to purge them from the city for the crime of just being born different--did you just ignore all of that?

[Beren Von Ostwick]

 

Kill them all and let the Maker sort them out!

 

Ahhh, so you support Solas' plan!

[Catilina]

Ahhh, so you support Solas' plan!

Not at all! ...but when i see, how much moron exist... STOP IT! Do not tempt me! I'm a philantropist, and a very kind man!

And eventually Solas not a monster. He said!

[Halfdan The Menace]

So that whole Witcher plot of burning mages alive, torturing them and downright trying to purge them from the city for the crime of just being born different--did you just ignore all of that?

Yes. Simply not my business. Had the people never studied the foul force of the primordial Chaos, they would not become mages in the first place.

[katerinafm]

If you're talking about how people in game view mages, then it's all about the prejudices in the world of thedas (like in real life). Mage fearing individuals have a tendency to shout 'witch', meaning in this case claim that a mage is not 'stable' enough to not suddenly become an abomination and become a danger to others. It's false and a misconception.

[Jedi Comedian]

So that whole Witcher plot of burning mages alive, torturing them and downright trying to purge them from the city for the crime of just being born different--did you just ignore all of that?

I let Sile "live" in TW2 so she would have a much more painful fate at the hands of the witchunters, but because I wanted revenge for what she did to Geralt, being a sorceress had nothing to do with it. While I'm more of a neutral guy, I simply can't support people who burn mages at the stake for the sake of bigotry.

[Sifr]

Yes. And Justice would have remained Justice, if there is not merged with Anders. This has been clarified in several places. The point is: do not needed Kirkwall's mad for it. Well, okay, maybe it helped ...

 

Slightly off-topic here, but isn't there a good argument to be made whether he really was Justice anymore when he merged with Anders?

 

We've seen quite a few instances of Spirits (and Demons) existing outside of the Fade without needing a host to survive. It does seem to take considerable difficulty on their part however, probably because as creatures of pure thought, being outside of a dimension suited to them (where thought defines reality), they need to constantly reinforce their sense of self to continue to exist.

 

Justice throughout Awakening was exposed to new sensations, situations and emotions he was unfamiliar with, such as admitting his own sense of confusion of how Kristoff's memories of his wife were affecting him. Prior to that, we don't know whether the length of time he spent battling the Baroness inside the Fade might have affected his psyche, as he was privy to the distress and suffering of the villagers for over a century (or more).

 

Justice may have been slowly corrupted for a while before he merged with Anders.

 

Regarding the possession itself, it does seem curious in retrospect that Justice insists he cannot return to the Fade, when we've seen that most possessed individuals are able to return either at will or via the host's death. Furthermore, one of the Trespasser epilogues for Cole if made more Spirit is that he returns to the Fade, without any problems whatsoever.

 

Why was Justice unable to do the same then, unless he either was unaware he could return... or more on some level, didn't want to go back?

 

It would throw a more darker and insidious motive for why he chose to use Anders as a vessel to replace Kristoff's decaying one, as we are told that the suggestion to merge to combine their strengths came originally from Justice, not Anders. Even if Anders tells us that the rationale was that he was a willing host, does it really matters since we know that demons cannot possess an unwilling host. The only difference is that Anders consented to the possession without being under duress, as is often the case with most who become abominations.

 

Seeking to possess someone under the supposed guise of "helping" them, doesn't seem exactly like the sort of behaviour a pure and uncorrupted Spirit of Justice would suggest now, does it? Seems to me, that this entire merger was far more like that of a demon conning someone into "letting them in".

[Jedi Comedian]

Slightly off-topic here, but isn't there a good argument to be made whether he really was Justice anymore when he merged with Anders?

We've seen quite a few instances of Spirits (and Demons) existing outside of the Fade without needing a host to survive. It does seem to take considerable difficulty on their part however, probably because as creatures of pure thought, being outside of a dimension suited to them (where thought defines reality), they need to constantly reinforce their sense of self to continue to exist.

Justice throughout Awakening was exposed to new sensations, situations and emotions he was unfamiliar with, such as admitting his own sense of confusion of how Kristoff's memories of his wife were affecting him. Prior to that, we don't know whether the length of time he spent battling the Baroness inside the Fade might have affected his psyche, as he was privy to the distress and suffering of the villagers for over a century (or more).

Justice may have been slowly corrupted for a while before he merged with Anders.

Regarding the possession itself, it does seem curious in retrospect that Justice insists he cannot return to the Fade, when we've seen that most possessed individuals are able to return either at will or via the host's death. Furthermore, one of the Trespasser epilogues for Cole if made more Spirit is that he returns to the Fade, without any problems whatsoever.

Why was Justice unable to do the same then, unless he either was unaware he could return... or more on some level, didn't want to go back?

It would throw a more darker and insidious motive for why he chose to use Anders as a vessel to replace Kristoff's decaying one, as we are told that the suggestion to merge to combine their strengths came originally from Justice, not Anders. Even if Anders tells us that the rationale was that he was a willing host so it would not be the same as if a demon did it, even they cannot possess someone unwillingly.

Seeking to possess someone under the supposed guise of "helping" them, doesn't seem exactly like the sort of behaviour a pure and uncorrupted Spirit of Justice would suggest now, does it? Seems to me, that this entire merger was far more like that of a demon conning someone into "letting them in".

Interesting... I might be wrong but Mouse in the DAO Magi Origin also speaks of the wickedness/injustice of the templar attitude towards the mages in an attempt to convince you to "let him in"... could it be the same situation with Justice?

[Sifr]

Interesting... I might be wrong but Mouse in the DAO Magi Origin also speaks of the wickedness/injustice of the templar attitude towards the mages in an attempt to convince you to "let him in"... could it be the same situation with Justice?

 

Yeah, most demons we meet in both Origins and DA2 seem to enjoy convincing people not only that it's a good idea to "let them in", but that the idea itself came from the victim in the first place.

 

It's one of the most basic con tricks, implanting a suggestion to make a mark think they came up with the idea themselves, so they are more willing to go along with it. Demons seem to be rather good at these kinds of tactics, even if they are a bit obvious about it.

[Catilina]

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An interesting proposition. has already I has already thought about, why Justice can't return to Fade. Anders as if he had said, that if Hawke killing him, Justice can release ... I can not remember exactly. So either there is something going on behind it, or a logical blunder ...
 

[straykat]

It's not about illness, but Willpower. Some mages don't have much will and screw everything up for others. So most just assume they're all screwed up, just to play it safe.

[Almostfaceman]

I refuse to side with mages and witchcraft. Even in The Witcher I don't want either Triss/Yen/ whatever. Magic is foul indeed.

Need more skilled warriors like Aveline, Beskha and Brienne Of Tarth.

 

Voluntarily plays fantasy games: check

 

Hates magic: check

 

[straykat]

 

Voluntarily plays fantasy games: check

 

Hates magic: check

 

 

To be fair, some of the first fantasy stuff was anti-magic. Or at least, the themes were. Or magical elements were blended horror genres.

 

Conan, for instance.

 

It made magic cool though. It was scary and rare enough to make him run.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Voluntarily plays fantasy games: check
 
Hates magic: check
 

Wouldn't mind using magically-enhanced weapons such as icy swords, burning axes and stuff. But I wouldn't associate myself or my clan with magic itself. Such foul force should be banished from all worlds before it could consume them.

 

To be fair, some of the first fantasy stuff was anti-magic. Or at least, the themes were. Or magical elements were blended horror genres.
 
Conan, for instance.
 
It made magic cool though. It was scary and rare enough to make him run.

This proves my point that magic is dangerous.

[mrs_anomaly]

Wouldn't mind using magically-enhanced weapons such as icy swords, burning axes and stuff. But I wouldn't associate myself or my clan with magic itself. Such foul force should be banished from all worlds before it consume them.

 

This proves my point that magic is dangerous.

 

So magical items are ok. Duly noted 

[Catilina]

Wouldn't mind using magically-enhanced weapons such as icy swords, burning axes and stuff. But I wouldn't associate myself or my clan with magic itself. Such foul force should be banished from all worlds before it could consume them.

 

This proves my point that magic is dangerous.

Filthy magic = filthy magical weapons! Magical weapons is dangerous too!

[Jedi Comedian]

Filthy magic = filthy magical weapons! Magical weapons is dangerous too!

There's nothing better than using both.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Filthy magic = filthy magical weapons! Magical weapons is dangerous too!

I freaking destroy the weapons right after me and my warriors have slayed the dangerous mages and wizards. Such a glorious deed that is.