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[Catilina]

I freaking destroy the weapons right after me and my warriors have slayed the dangerous mages and wizards. Such a glorious deed that is.

And the glorious death, without a filthy healer...

[Jedi Comedian]

And the glorious death, without a filthy healer...

But......... how in the world could someone go through Awakening without Anders' roguish charm?

*EDIT: And without the always interesting banter/dialogue of certain magical warrior?

[Halfdan The Menace]

And the glorious death, without a filthy healer...

Whatever it takes to get rid of the foul force called "magic".

[Xerrai]

Such foul force should be banished from all worlds before it could consume them.

Well good luck with that. The fade is made by and large from the emotions, memories and impressions of Thedas's denizens. Its not like Witcher where magic is more like a side effect of the Conjugation of Spheres, magic is in Thedas because it is a part of Thedas and always has been.

 

To get rid of magic, you essentially have to get rid of emotion and memory (basically make everyone Tranquil). In other words, so long as people can dream, there will always be the fade--and by extension, magic.

[Catilina]

Whatever it takes to get rid of the foul force called "magic".

Then: requiescat in pace

[Halfdan The Menace]

Well good luck with that. The fade is made by and large from the emotions, memories and impressions of Thedas's denizens. Its not like Witcher where magic is more like a side effect of the Conjugation of Spheres, magic is in Thedas because it is a part of Thedas and always has been.
 
To get rid of magic, you essentially have to get rid of emotion and memory (basically make everyone Tranquil). In other words, so long as people can dream, there will always be the fade--and by extension, magic.

Then they better start it as soon as possible, the King/Emperor should outlaw dreaming and death penalty to those who dream. Do whatever it takes to get rid of magic away from the world.

[Jedi Comedian]

Then they better start it as soon as possible, the King/Emperor should outlaw dreaming and death penalty to those who dream. Do whatever it takes to get rid of magic away from the world.

Magic is Might.

[Dean_the_Young]

Why is there this idea that mages in Thedas are people who are mentally ill ?

There isn't.
 

There is an idea that abominations are mentally ill, and that's because they tend to act like it.

 

I mean, magic is part of the world so how can someone who have the ability to use it be mentally ill ?

 

 

The same way anyone else is mentally ill. The two aspects are completely unrelated.

 

 

Is it because of the possibility of demonic possession and turning into an abomination ?

 

 

The basis of all sickness analogies is that abominations are the expression of the disease, and that mages have the potential for the disease even if it's in remission. Magic itself is not the disease- it's the symptom.
 

 

Wynne was an abomination and she did not strike me as mentally ill.

 

 

You also probably wouldn't realize that most mentally ill people are, in fact, mentally ill. Most mental disorders never get noticed unless they exhibit extreme symptoms.

 

One of the keys for detection is contrast, and we don't know enough of Wynne to know how her personality might or might not have changed... let alone have clarity on what, exactly, happened with her. Whether Wynne was an abomination or not is unclear, as it relates to different considerations of what an abomination even is.

[fhs33721]

Yes. Simply not my business. Had the people never studied the foul force of the primordial Chaos, they would not become mages in the first place.

You do realize that the main character you are playing is a magic user himself right?

[Jedi Comedian]

You do realize that the main character you are playing is a magic user himself right?

I would even dare to say that if you focus on the Sign skill tree Geralt kinda plays like an Arcane Warrior, and if you focus on sword he's somewhat like a Spirit Warrior (the potion making stuff is also very mage-ish, an Alchemy-focused Geralt is like a supernatural Berserker). Witchers are pretty much Spellswords.

[Lezio]

You do realize that the main character you are playing is a magic user himself right?

 

Don't say that infront of any mage   Witcher's signs are more like "tricks" for any mage/sorcereress

But yeah, i'd say most people in The Witcher's world wouldn't care about the difference so the point still stands

[Jedi Comedian]

Didn't vikings have Seers?

[Cute Nug]

No ... not all of them ... maybe

 

Sure most of the ones in DA2 from two different Circles were latent psychopaths but their might have been one or two them that weren't.

 

Some of the ones at the Ferelden Circle weren't psychopaths. Some of them might have just been stupid and thought becoming an abomination was a good idea.

 

There where hundreds of them in the Hinterlands but that place would make anyone a psychopath.

 

A bunch of them joined the Venatori but so did a bunch of non-mages.

 

They are probably more likely to be psychopaths than non-mages but they still aren't as psychotic as the bears and wolves in Thedas.

[Lezio]

No ... not all of them ... maybe

 

Sure most of the ones in DA2 from two different Circles were latent psychopaths but their might have been one or two them that weren't.

 

Some of the ones at the Ferelden Circle weren't psychopaths. Some of them might have just been stupid and thought becoming an abomination was a good idea.

 

There where hundreds of them in the Hinterlands but that place would make anyone a psychopath.

 

A bunch of them joined the Venatori but so did a bunch of non-mages.

 

They are probably more likely to be psychopaths than non-mages but they still aren't as psychotic as the bears and wolves in Thedas.

 

Actually, from my understanding, Kirkwall's mages were so messed up because the Chantry, in its own vanglorious wish to stick it to the Imperium, built a circle in a place where the veil could be torn open by a knife. An Arcane Warrior wouldn't even need to concentrate to use the "fade shroud" in that place

There's also the whole business about the blood sewers Tevinter set up in the city

[Cute Nug]

Actually, from my understanding, Kirkwall's mages were so messed up because the Chantry, in its own vanglorious wish to stick it to the Imperium, built a circle in a place where the veil could be torn open by a knife. An Arcane Warrior wouldn't even need to concentrate to use the "fade shroud" in that place

There's also the whole business about the blood sewers Tevinter set up in the city

 

In DA2 the Starkhaven mages are almost all psychopaths or latent psychopaths. So the Veil most have been thin there too or just coming close to Kirkwall is enough to get them started.

 

There was a lot of stupid in DAI so the thin Veil theory must be true. Something has to explain how derpy the Grey Spawn, rebel mages, pimplars, Orlesions, and Fereldens had become. I don't know why there weren't comments about the Thedas stupid in DAI by the characters in game. Not the best excuse but thin veil Kirkwall stupid was at least brought up in DA2.

[CoM Solaufein]

The only mentally ill individuals I came across in Dragon Age are these religious nuts.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

Kill them all and let the Maker sort them out!

 

 

The Maker is a mage.

[Terodil]

The Maker is a mage.

In fairness, he's everything else too. Including chocolate chip banana muffins.

[Qis]

Wouldn't mind using magically-enhanced weapons such as icy swords, burning axes and stuff. But I wouldn't associate myself or my clan with magic itself. Such foul force should be banished from all worlds before it could consume them.

 

So magical items are ok. Duly noted 

 

 

The one thing i like about Dark Souls is we can get through without using magical items, upgradig normal weapons in normal path is as strong as magical weapons, means we don't really need to upgrade our weapons into magical to make it strong, so players who despise magic still can get through the whole game without even touch any magic at all.

 

I think Dragon Age should have such mechanic since there is a sentiment toward magic, but the game force us to upgrade weapons into magical to make it stronger. Enchanting is magic.

 

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But back to the topic, the game give us the doubt either Mages are really sick minded person or the demons who make them so, it is hard to determine which, the person or the demons. So when when i see a crazy **** Mages, it is hard to me to determine the character, i cannot make the demons as scape goat while the Mages themselves are really crazy sick person to begin with. I must be convinced that the Mage, the person, was really a good person before crazy things he/she done because of demon messing his/her mind. But most of psycho killers are bipolar, can be a really nice person before "muahahaha kill kill die die!!"

 

Just because Mages are prone to get possessed, doesn't give an excuse for crazy **** stuff they do in this case, they could be just like any psychos, only with demons behind them...

[Swaggerjking]

My guess is if you would get possessed (unless they both want the exact same thing) I would doubt most could come out mentally unharmed especially if it is for any meaningful amount of time through I maybe be wrong because the elf that was in the hinterlands who was in masked empire though she might not be that rich in the head before being possessed but again maybe she wanted all that happened
Also a there been a good bit of magges that I would probably give temp insanity to but others are just stupid arrogant and they are probably just a bad person

[Lord Raijin]

Yes exactly. I do not understand why some people would make the analogy between mages in Thedas and mentally troubled people in real life. Mentally ill people in real life cannot shoot fireballs from their hands.

 

The symptoms that mentally ill people experience in the real world can very well be compared as a Mage in Thedas.

 

For an example take a look at the symptoms of schizophrenia:

http://www.webmd.com...hrenia-symptoms

 

and now read this piece of lore from Dragon Age 2

 

http://dragonage.wik...uility_(amulet)

 

Do you see the difference? This is why people make an analogy between mages in Thedas and to those who suffer from debilitating mental illness in real life. Sure Mentally ill people cannot shoot fireballs from their hands, but! That doesn't stop them from purchasing a gun and following up of what the voices inside are telling them

[Rawgrim]

The mages in DA2 suffered from something, that's for sure. Complete morons. In DA:O and DA:I, they seemed pretty good.

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

That doesn't stop them from purchasing a gun and following up of what the voices inside are telling them

 

The vast majority of people who are mentally ill - including those of us who have auditory hallucinations - are not violent. We're statistically more likely to be victims than perpetrators.

[German Soldier]

 

 

Do you see the difference? This is why people make an analogy between mages in Thedas and to those who suffer from debilitating mental illness in real life. Sure Mentally ill people cannot shoot fireballs from their hands, but! That doesn't stop them from purchasing a gun and following up of what the voices inside are telling them

That's why i fear the well of sorrow,it is not possessions still those voices may one day grow a will of their own.

[Lord Raijin]

The vast majority of people who are mentally ill - including those of us who have auditory hallucinations - are not violent. We're statistically more likely to be victims than perpetrators.

For some cases the auditory hallucinations can cause someone to become violent to the point of committing murder. This is why we have forensic psychiatric hospitals that was design for people unable to stand trial due to severe mental illness.

 

Unfortunately the radical ultra religious people who suffer from severe mental illnesses are prone to act out what the voices inside tells them to do because they firmly believe that Jesus/God is talking to them.

 

https://www.mentalhe...hearing-voices/

 

http://www.foxnews.c...ssessed-by.html (Classic example)