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[dkanrotkakdy]

Aren't the Qunari that have magical abilities supposed to be like Saarebas - super powerful? And have those...force-field abilities? I would've appreciated a special Saarebas-like set of abilities for the Qunari Inquisitor...

[thesuperdarkone2]

There were circle Mage esque Qunari mages in origins when fighting marjolaine.

[thats1evildude]

Aren't the Qunari that have magical abilities supposed to be like Saarebas - super powerful? And have those...force-field abilities? I would've appreciated a special Saarebas-like set of abilities for the Qunari Inquisitor...

Note: the Saarebas in Trespasser are all being fed lyrium to super-charge their abilities. I suspect Saarath was given red lyrium, as you find some in the room with his letter to Tallis.

[fhs33721]

Why would the Vashoth Inquisitor, who never lived under the Qun, have the sort of magical ablilities that Sarebaas are taught under the Qun?

[thats1evildude]

Why would the Vashoth Inquisitor, who never lived under the Qun, have the sort of magical ablilities that Sarebaas are taught under the Qun?

There seems to be some idea that qunari are inherently more powerful than human or elven mages.

[fhs33721]

There seems to be some idea that qunari are inherently more powerful than human or elven mages.

Well your Vashot Inquisitor is the main character, so s/he kind of is anyway. Just headcanon your plot armor as being just that strong of a mage and all is good, no?

[thats1evildude]

Well your Vashot Inquisitor is the main character, so s/he kind of is anyway. Just headcanon your plot armor as being just that strong of a mage and all is good, no?

The OP is complaining that their qunari Inquisitor is NOT as strong as other saarebas.

[Shechinah]

The Saarebas' powers are a direct result of how they live and are trained under the Qun. Adaar have been confirmed to have never lived nor trained under the Qun as indicated by their status as Vashoth and so would not exhibit the powers of a Saarebas. Tal-Vashoth are those who have lived underneath the Qun and reject it.
 
For further information of the Vashoth, I leave this codex entry;

"Why do you keep asking me about the Qun? I'm not Qunari. I met a human once who made shoes. Why don't you tell me about shoe-making?

You've met more Qunari than I have. I've lived my whole life here in Nevarra.

No, I'm not Tal-Vashoth. Tal-Vashoth are rebels. You can't rebel against something you've never seen. I'm Vashoth.

No, I didn't use the same word. It's "Vashoth," not "Tal-Vashoth." Nobody told me humans couldn't hear speech.

No.

No.

I hate humans."

—Unused portion of a transcript from an interview with Issala, a Qunari goat herder, found in the notes of Brother Genitivi

[Lezio]

Why would the Vashoth Inquisitor, who never lived under the Qun, have the sort of magical ablilities that Sarebaas are taught under the Qun?

 

Actually, i think to remember that Sarebaas are so powerful because they are taught nothing. They're basically raw power with little or no control over it, the only thing that keeps them from becoming abomination is The Qunari..... will of mind

 

Still, since they are the only mages like that it would have been nice if a Vashot mage started out with, like, +10 magic(power). Coincidentally, human mages could have had higher willpower and elven mages could have been more balanced. It would have made the class/race choice more personal

[Shechinah]

Actually, i think to remember that Sarebaas are so powerful because they are taught nothing. They're basically raw power with little or no control over it, the only thing that keeps them from becoming abomination is The Qunari..... will of mind

 

Not quite. While the Saarebas are essentially hedge mages, they are trained under the Qun but their training is basically to focus on destruction hence why Saarebas are capable of unleashing quite a bit of damage. It is not considered proper training especially not when compared to the non-Qun lands which is why the Saarebas are considered hedge mages by most of the non-Qun lands.
 

[fhs33721]

The OP is complaining that their qunari Inquisitor is NOT as strong as other saarebas.

No, the OP is compaining that s/he doesn't get "muh special snowfalke" extra abilites for playing a qunari mage on top of the "muh special snowfalke" anchor abilities all Inquisitors get. And s/he shouldn't get those abilities because their Inquisitor isn't actually a Saarebas and got Southern Thedas apostate magic training.

[Addictress]

No, the OP is compaining that s/he doesn't get "muh special snowfalke" extra abilites for playing a qunari mage on top of the "muh special snowfalke" anchor abilities all Inquisitors get. And s/he shouldn't get those abilities because their Inquisitor isn't actually a Saarebas and got Southern Thedas apostate magic training.

Vashoth is just a weak excuse to not make separate animations and skill sets for a Tal-Vashoth Qun-trained mage

[AlanC9]

A special set of animations and powers for 1/11 of the possible characters? In which universe would that feature have passed an ROI test? 

[Rogue Unit]

I remember the codex saying that Sarebaas are inferior to circle mages. Because they aren't taught as much and therefore lack the talent of other mages. This is why the Chantry had so much success in pushing the Qunari back once the unleashed the circle on them.

[Xerrai]

I remember the codex saying that Sarebaas are inferior to circle mages. Because they aren't taught as much and therefore lack the talent of other mages. This is why the Chantry had so much success in pushing the Qunari back once the unleashed the circle on them.

While I can certainly believe that in terms of versatility and stability, I do have doubt of whether this is true in terms of the raw power they can develop regardless of any prior training (or lack thereof).

 

Its possibly mostly the result how they live, but Sarebaas tend to focus exclusively on combat oriented magic (which makes sense, seeing how they are used mostly as combat tools by Arvaarad). As implied in previous games and demonstrated in Trespasser, the Qunari strive for a mastery of the self with a focus that few could match. Supposedly, this focus is part of why Sarebas are so fearsome in comparison to Circle mages--they have studied their magic to exclusively pertain to the art of combat, and they usually have to do this combat in the few times their Arvaarad release their restraints enough for them to even reliably use their magic.

 

(Plus its not like the Sarebaas have anything better to do anyway....they are bound up to the point that turning their attention inward is probably the only thing they can do to busy themselves)

[AutumnWitch]

Reading this, its is sort of HORRIFIC to think of a red lyruim fed, Saarebas trained for years to destroy suddenly becoming an abomination.