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[LoonySpectre]

I still haven't unlocked it. I have freaking Hurricane X and Crusader X, but still no Punisher. Should I lament that fact?

[PatrickBateman]

No, it sucks compared to the Hurricane.

The ridiculous spread and kick is just to much for the damage it does, probably the worst UR in the game.

[Caineghis2500]

Unlocking it's maximum potential is limited to a few kits unfortunately. It's best used on the Turian Soldier. Take a look at this video by stardusk who does a TSOL BPPin-depth review

 

[Mikael_Sebastia]

Consider yourself lucky.  

 

I have a thing for bad guns, but BPP is just too much.  It's nothing but frustrating to use due that ridiculous spread and sluggish rate of fire.  Personal preferences aside there are worse SMGs out there, but not a whole lot of them (Shuriken, Geth SMG and arguably Locust and Hornet with certain builds like TSOL). The spread is what kills it, but despite that it's pretty lackluster in everything but the magazine size.  I'll leave this gun to a Vorcha.

[GruntKitterhand]

It seems Marksmad is still cleaning up New York, so it's up to me to say it fits the Vorcha Soldier remarkably well, both lore-wise and in terms of effectiveness. The stablity mod is an absolute must, but the other mod tends to come down to personal preference depending on which ammo you choose. The armour-piercing round alone is not enough to deal with all the armour at higher levels, so I usually take the heavy barrel and use Incendiary Ammo for explosions. Patrick is right that it's no Hurricane, but it can be an enjoyable gun to use all the same. As with many URs it gets better the more you level it up.

[Darth Volus]

The only thing that matters with that gun is if the 8th shot hits. If it does (especialy the head), the damage is massive and it's worth it. If it doesn't - it's a piece of garbage. I do use it on a Vorcha Sentinel, because I stay at a Flamer range anyway, so BPP is decent at that distance. 

[TheN7Penguin]

Don't use it myself. Collector SMG is better.

[SwoopIM]

It is incredibly effective against armor (see Stardusk's video).   Unfortunately, it kicks like a mule and requires a stability mod and/or barrage package.   Best on Turians and at close range.  It is actually one of my preferred weapons on the TSOL. With marksman and barrage package, he and the gun become one.

[andy_3_913]

It seems Marksmad is still cleaning up New York,

Ah, I thought he'd gone quiet!

[Fuenf789]

It seems Marksmad is still cleaning up New York,

mmm.  NY needs the Swiss to clean-up behind them?

[Darth Volus]

mmm.  NY needs the Swiss to clean-up behind them?

 

I thought all the metal was shipped to China ASAP? Oh, too soon? 

[Arkhne]

No, it sucks compared to the Hurricane.

The ridiculous spread and kick is just to much for the damage it does, probably the worst UR in the game.

 

No, that title belongs to the Valkyrie. I have Valkyrie X and BPP VII, and I would rather the BPP on ANY character. All the characters that make Valkyrie less sucky, also make the BPP better.

 

However, my view is curried by CSMG IV and Hurricane III, my BPP is so much higher than these, that it can actually compete.

 

The gun is decent against armour, great with headshots against armour. However, is has high recoil, low accuracy (Though still better than the Hurricane in both departments), and low damage per shot otherwise. Recoil Dampener and High Velocity Barrel are essentially stapled onto this gun. ONLY reason to change it would be on a weapons based character with no ammo detonator, in which case Extended Barrel, Recoil Dampener, and AP Ammo, however, this would be a pretty poor choice for main DPS.

 

TL;DR Not a bad gun, but you are not missing out with your manifest state.

[Darth Volus]

Valkyrie is really not bad. It's not a Saber, but it's a really decent gun. Mooks get headshotted with ease and quick refire time allows to engage multiple opponents. 

[PatrickBateman]

Valkyrie is really not bad. It's not a Saber, but it's a really decent gun. Mooks get headshotted with ease and quick refire time allows to engage multiple opponents.

Yep, it's no Harrier but it does the job. TGI/Valkyrie is a good combo, powerful but not to OP for platinum team games.

[Mordokai]

Yep, it's no Harrier but it does the job. TGI/Valkyrie is a good combo, powerful but not to OP for platinum team games.

 

Myself, I prefer it on fat Tsent. Sure, it's not as powerful as on TGI, but if you're decent at doling out headshots, mooks get murderized extremely efficiently and even bosses and sub bosses don't present a problem.

 

Plus, Tsent has more style than Ghost can ever muster. And call me old fashioned, but style matters

[PatrickBateman]

Myself, I prefer it on fat Tsent. Sure, it's not as powerful as on TGI, but if you're decent at doling out headshots, mooks get murderized extremely efficiently and even bosses and sub bosses don't present a problem.

Plus, Tsent has more style than Ghost can ever muster. And call me old fashioned, but style matters

That's also a great kit for that gun, the vanilla turians also have better passives than jet boot turians, so he's quite good at hitting the target with both bullets at a distance.

[Darth Volus]

That's also a great kit for that gun, the vanilla turians also have better passives than jet boot turians, so he's quite good at hitting the target with both bullets at a distance.

 

Overload. Makes sure they stand still

[Catastrophy]

It's fun if you hit. Then you melt faces. I use it with the Quarksman.

[Terminator Force]

Why the Hurricane is more OP then the Bloodpack is still another BioWare balancing mystery that defies logic.

[TheTechnoTurian]

If the question is "is X gun any Good" the answer is ALWAYS play turians because they are Good 

[Darth Volus]

Why the Hurricane is more OP then the Bloodpack is still another BioWare balancing mystery that defies logic.

 

Because all the SMG's were complete garbage at the start. All of them, without exception. And since Hurricane was UR that you could only get from completing weekend challenges and even then it was 1 out of possible 4 guns, Biower decided to buff it. 3 times. And lower the recoil. Later AP IV came out. 

 

Add it all up. TROLOLOLOLOL.

[JRandall0308]

There are some BPP apologists (marksmad is one of them) but you have to do a lot of work to make it as good as other SMGs that don't require as much work.

 

Example, for the same amount of recoil compensation you could've had a Hurricane instead.

 

Or you could've used a Collector SMG if you don't want to worry about recoil.

 

Sorry, BPP, you just don't stand up to the other OP SMGs.

[GruntKitterhand]

There are some BPP apologists (marksmad is one of them) but you have to do a lot of work to make it as good as other SMGs that don't require as much work.

 

Example, for the same amount of recoil compensation you could've had a Hurricane instead.

 

Or you could've used a Collector SMG if you don't want to worry about recoil.

 

Sorry, BPP, you just don't stand up to the other OP SMGs.

 

Variety trumps DPS, for me at least. It's all about finding a character that a gun will work well on, rather than finding a gun which can be used on any character. In the case of the BPP, the Vorcha Soldier is that character, because Turians can make any weapon epic.

 

I'd much rather use a BPP at low levels than a CSMG - and believe me, I know how to annihilate things with a CSMG. I also actually prefer using it to the Hurricane, but then I prefer the GPSMG to the Hurricane, at least on a GE. And I prefer the Tempest to the Hurricane on just about all characters. To me, using a Hurricane is like using a Reegar or a TGI - it's for people who want to top scoreboards, but I never really find it fun. BPP can be fun, lots of fun.

 

The Valkyrie is my least favourite UR by absolute miles - it always seems to be the one I get on alt accounts, and I'm not good at headshots. I know how to make it work, I just can't be arsed.

[TheNightSlasher]

BPP is good. Just need to use the right character (to land the AP shot). It's not as effective as hurricane but that's because the latter is OP.

 

On the topic of valkyrie, it is pretty awesome gun. I'd pick it over harrier 4 out of 5 times. I wouldn't call it the worst UR. 

[LoonySpectre]

GPSMG is my favourite weapon for GE too.

I used to play my volus with Hurricane without any kind of stability mods. So much mouse movement