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[Iakus]

While Bioware writes the novels and comics with a default canon in mind, we know that this doesn't stop those events having happened in the various worldstates we import into the game that might conflict with them.

 

For instance, the writers chose to have a Warden Alistair in Inqusition allude to meeting his father in the Fade, an event that happened in "Until We Sleep" that took place in the default canon where he was the King of Ferelden instead.

 

It does therefore seem that the devs do at least factor in how the default canon applies to the various worldstates they've allowed to exist in the games, even though they do try to avoid highlighting obvious continuity snarls.

 

While the default canon is that the Warden is dead, the novels actually seem to leave their race, gender and fate unknown as it's never brought up when the characters happen to talk about them (as far as I'm aware). Same with the events of Kirkwall in Asunder, where they avoid mentioning the gender or what side Hawke eventually picked.

 

(Just to make clear, I'm not one of those who refuses to admit the Warden might be dead... I just enjoy figuring out the myriad ways that would reconcile the nebulous worldstates with the canon of the novels and comics)

 

I believe they have also said that the events in the books and comics can still happen in other world-states, but the details may differ as a result.  What they write about is simply one of a great many parallel universes 

 

So it is possible that Warden Alistair traveled with Varic and Isabela to find his father as well.  But some of the details of that story may be different.  Same with Drunk Alistair.

[Andromelek]

I believe they have also said that the events in the books and comics can still happen in other world-states, but the details may differ as a result. What they write about is simply one of a great many parallel universes

So it is possible that Warden Alistair traveled with Varic and Isabela to find his father as well. But some of the details of that story may be different. Same with Drunk Alistair.

They said events happened differently or couldn't happen at all, at least I'm sure that with dead Alistair can't

[Illyria]

 

Damn, I'll definitely have to reread that one. I don't remember either of those references. It's implied that he slept with Isabela? Are you sure she wasn't being, you know... Isabela?

Other than Alistair being king, I was under the impression that it was handled very well when I read it. You didn't know if the Warden was alive or dead, their gender, whether they romanced him, or whether they were still together*. That is the impression I got when I read it the first time, and was pleased that they went that route.

 

Your perception not only rules in the scenarios that you listed, but also rules out a whole ton of other scenarios, including the existence of the male Warden. Bioware has typically been really careful with that sort of thing in their ancillary materials. Even though I have a living female warden that romanced Alistair, made him king, did the DR (we did not have a threesome with Isabela), I'd be disappointed if this was the case. I'd much rather it be ambiguous for everyone, or at least as many people as possible, given certain constraints.


* However, the final panels seem to rule out the Cousland Queen, but not necessarily since it's not explicit. Even though he doesn't want to be king, it just seems like he would have been a bit different if there was that sort of support.

 

 

Since I have a warden who romance Alistair, had him do the Ritual and they both slept with Isabela then my reading was automatically leaning towards this being the case in the comics.

 

Your perception not only rules in the scenarios that you listed, but also rules out a whole ton of other scenarios, including the existence of the male Warden

 

Exactly.  It's actually pretty ambiguous, I just picked up on the stuff that was relevant to my own worldstate.

[Iakus]

They said events happened differently or couldn't happen at all, at least I'm sure that with dead Alistair can't

Lyrium ghost.  Solves everything  

[GoldenGail3]

Lyrium ghost.  Solves everything  

Like Leliana for example...

[Andromelek]

Lyrium ghost. Solves everything

He died closer to Mabari crap than to Lyrium, as far as I know that doesn't revive people... and if he is the Warden who strikes the final blow to an Archdemon... that's deader than dead.

[Sifr]

Regarding the canon of the comics;

 

In The Silent Grove, Alistair comments "There's always a ritual" to Yavana, although whether he's talking about the Dark Ritual and whether or not it was performed or not isn't explicitly confirmed.

 

After he flirts with Mae in Those Who Speak, Isabela implies that Alistair was thinking of making her a "special friend" too, implying that either they had a threesome with the Warden who'd be female in this canon.

 

(Unless Isabela had a one night stand with Alistair that we never had an option to pick in Origins)

 

The Until We Sleep comic has Maric say that he's happier remaining in the Fade, as a lot of the people he loved are "no longer in the real world, are they?" His inclusion of Loghain at the end of the list suggests in this canon he was killed during the Landsmeet.

 

(However since Alistair does not respond to his question but instead responds that at least he is still alive, I suppose one could make a case that Loghain might have survived and it's not a discussion that Alistair really wants to have, sullying the conversation he's finally having with his father by telling him how much he loathes the man Maric considered his best friend)

 

Or as Iakus suggested, all the stories take place in one big multiverse connected in a wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey manner.

[Qun00]

Top of page 102;

"Valya cracked the wax seal with her thumbnail and opened the folded packet. She scanned the first few lines and shook her head with a rueful smile. The chamberlain had been right. "The new Warden-Commander respectfully request a suppy of lyrium, arms and armour to replace some lost after an encounter with... ah, demon-possessed trees. On fire. There is a list here of specific requests.""

The actual date the new Warden-Commander was appointed was in 9:41, I forgot that the novel starts in that year and ends in 9:42. My bad, that's probably why you didn't find it in the 9:42 chapters.

It doesn't say OF FERELDEN, though.

[Sifr]

It doesn't say OF FERELDEN, though.

 

The line right before the bit I quoted had the Chamberlain ask, "What word from Vigil's Keep?"

 

It confirms that the letter was indeed from the headquarters of the Ferelden Wardens, as well as that they had gotten a new Commander.

 

To add further context, the previous page had the Chamberlain ask what other letters they might have received, mentioning that it's very curious that Clarel doesn't seem to report in any more (which seems to point to the Orlesian contingent acting on their own during Here Lies the Abyss).

[Serillen]

How can it be cannon that the HoF is dead if Leliana and Cassandra mention looking for him/her as well as Hawke at the end of DA2? Or does that line change based on a DAO playthrough?

They actually don't say the HoF at the end of DA2, they just say the "Warden" which could mean the Orlesian Warden Commander who also could have some pretty big accomplishments if the HoF died at Denerim.

[Sifr]

I'm hoping the Orlesian Warden Commander gets some love one of these days, though I did appreciate the Keep team looking into it for a while.

 

If the Hero of Ferelden is still alive, I would have liked them to have name-dropped Kader, Caron or Andras during Inquisition as being present at Adamant and among those fighting against the controlled Wardens. Or having those three take the place of the two Wardens we encounter near the start of Crestwood. Would be nice to know they still exist, even if they weren't the Warden-Commander in Awakening.

[Gaia300]

He skype Kieran every day and send Morrigan child support. More than most dads do for their kids nowadays. 

My daddy is not like that!

[German Soldier]

If he went through the Eluvian to be with Morrigan and their child, then it's likely he abandoned his old life and responsibilities with the Grey Wardens to go with her, then went to find a Cure to the Calling so he can live longer with his maybe-wife and child. Keep up.

I don't get why you adopted that assumption?

The wardens regardless of what they do or what Li they chose remains commander and don't refuse the position thus mean that they are still with the GW

The most likely outcome. His adventuring days are mostly over. Hopefully he succeeds in his quest.

I know how Bioware behave most of the time,thus i can predict that the HoF would most likely fail in this quest.

[German Soldier]

 

I kind of hope it might be Nathaniel and the writers cementing his Awakening recruitment as the default canon, much like they did with Anders and Justice in DA2.

Nathaniel is killable....

I just don't see why my warden should allow someone  to take the position since i'm not interested to find the cure and i like to think that my warden remain commander until the calling,that's it.

[Iakus]

Nathaniel is killable....

I just don't see why my warden should allow someone  to take the position since i'm not interested to find the cure and i like to think that my warden remain commander until the calling,that's it.

So was Anders.

 

And Justice

 

[Secret Rare]

How can it be cannon that the HoF is dead if Leliana and Cassandra mention looking for him/her as well as Hawke at the end of DA2? Or does that line change based on a DAO playthrough?

Leliana and Cassandra at the end of DAII made a vague mention about the warden

this imply that he one whom they were lookig for can be both the HoF or the Orlesian.

 

I'll have to re-read the comics more carefully to see.  My impression had been he ws disgusted because it reminded him of what he'd done with Morrigan (and this is an Alistair who is older, and less willing to be pushed around).  But I might be wrong.  Or Gaider left it ambiguous on purpose.

If the comic follow the default story line then it means that the DR was refused,Alistair probably heard about it and didn't liked it that's all.

[Secret Rare]

I believe they have also said that the events in the books and comics can still happen in other world-states, but the details may differ as a result.  What they write about is simply one of a great many parallel universes 

 

So it is possible that Warden Alistair traveled with Varic and Isabela to find his father as well.  But some of the details of that story may be different.  Same with Drunk Alistair.

What about the dead Alistair?

[German Soldier]

So was Anders.

 

And Justice

 

I don't remember Anders being killable in DAA and justice is a spirit thus he cannot die it simply flip flop body or return in the fade..

[Andromelek]

I don't remember Anders being killable in DAA and justice is a spirit thus he cannot die it simply flip flop body or return in the fade..

It was one of the outcomes on the epilogue as I recall... Same for Oghren and Velanna

[Qun00]

What about the dead Alistair?

The only one who stays dead.

[Andromelek]

The only one who stays dead.

Zevran too (that he lives through a bug doesn't count) and Anders (the second time you kill him)

[Illyria]

If the comic follow the default story line then it means that the DR was refused,Alistair probably heard about it and didn't liked it that's all.

 

My point was the comics appears to be in a different timeline from the the 'main' default canon, given the implication in Alistair's dialogue that he'd performed the ritual, and also that he'd slept with Bela.

[Sifr]

I don't remember Anders being killable in DAA and justice is a spirit thus he cannot die it simply flip flop body or return in the fade..

 

If you leave him behind at the Vigil's Keep to save the city, he supposedly is killed with an arrow to the neck... although if you bring Anders along to the mission where Nathaniel shows up (if alive) in DA2, the death is handwave as the body belonging to another dead mage.

 

"Let me guess: badly burned? In robes? Do all mages look the same to you?"

 

Anders basically explains that he slipped away and went AWOL after the battle was over. When he heard rumours that he had been supposedly KIA, he never bothered to correct anyone, as it meant both the Wardens and Templars would stop looking for him now he was "dead".

[German Soldier]

It was one of the outcomes on the epilogue as I recall... Same for Oghren and Velanna

That's the point epilogues aren't canon...he just disappeared during the battle in the fortress

[German Soldier]

If you leave him behind at the Vigil's Keep to save the city, he supposedly is killed with an arrow to the neck... although if you bring Anders along to the mission where Nathaniel shows up (if alive) in DA2, the death is handwave as the body belonging to another dead mage.

 

"Let me guess: badly burned? In robes? Do all mages look the same to you?"

 

Anders basically explains that he slipped away and went AWOL after the battle was over. When he heard rumours that he had been supposedly KIA, he never bothered to correct anyone, as it meant both the Wardens and Templars would stop looking for him now he was "dead".

As i said that is the point he die but only for the epilogue.....