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[Sifr]

That's the point epilogues aren't canon...he just disappeared during the battle in the fortress

 

As i said that is the point he die but only for the epilogue.....

 

Yeah, the epilogues are mostly considered by the devs to be semi-canon rumours... I reckon that the reason that particular one was addressed in DA2 was probably because the devs knew that some people would complain about Anders showing up despite supposedly being "dead".

 

Kind of like how some people complained about Cullen's inclusion in the run up to DAI, based solely on the one slide from DAO that said he snapped and killed a few mages, even though DA2 showed that clearly wasn't the case.

 

I always imagine that in-universe, that particular rumour got started due to none of the mages knowing the reason for Cullen's sudden disappearance from Kinloch, leading them to come up with increasingly outlandish theories for what happened. When as we learn from Witch Hunt and DA2, the real reason for his departure was far more pedestrian, that he spent some time recovering from his traumatic ordeal in a Chantry in Greenfell, before transferring to serve with the Templars in Kirkwall.

[Lezio]

Yeah, the epilogues are mostly considered by the devs to be semi-canon rumours... I reckon that the reason that particular one was addressed in DA2 was probably because the devs knew that some people would complain about Anders showing up despite supposedly being "dead".

 

Kind of like how some people complained about Cullen's inclusion in the run up to DAI, based solely on the one slide from DAO that said he snapped and killed a few mages, even though DA2 showed that clearly wasn't the case.

 

I always imagine that in-universe, that particular rumour got started due to none of the mages knowing the reason for Cullen's sudden disappearance from Kinloch, leading them to come up with increasingly outlandish theories for what happened. When as we learn from Witch Hunt and DA2, the real reason for his departure was far more pedestrian, that he spent some time recovering from his traumatic ordeal in a Chantry in Greenfell, before transferring to serve with the Templars in Kirkwall.

 

Well, to be fair Anders probably invented time travel magic since by the time DA2's Act 1 kicks in he should be in a cell at the Vigil waiting for The Warden to arrive, nevermind dead 

[Nixou]

According to the novel "Last Flight", there is a new Warden-Commander of Ferelden in 9:42. The best way that I can see that Bioware might chose to reconcile this and the Warden's fate in our different worldstates would be to say that;

 

If the Warden is dead, the Orlesian Warden was the Warden-Commander from Awakening until they went to their Calling in 9:42.

 

If the Warden is alive, they abdicated their position as Warden-Commander in 9:42 to focus on finding a cure for the Calling.

 

I think most people who kept Warden alive probably wouldn't mind that as the explanation for why there's might be a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden going forward. I personally would far prefer the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor to remain alive, but kept busy doing various stuff offscreen.

 

As for who the new Commander in Ferelden might be, I kind of hope it might be Nathaniel and the writers cementing his Awakening recruitment as the default canon, much like they did with Anders and Justice in DA2.

 

That's a clever explanation, although a bit disheartening as it would cement the Orlesian Commander role as a cypher's cypher.

Personally, I assume that in worldstates where the HoF died, the Orlesian Commander also went to find the cure. As much as I dislike the cure quest as a blatantly improvised excuse to keep the Warden offscreen while his/her turf is burning down, I'd hate even more seeing this incomplete plot thread remaining hanging, and sending both character on that quest is the easiest way to introduce a conclusion down the line.

 

He died closer to Mabari crap than to Lyrium, as far as I know that doesn't revive people... and if he is the Warden who strikes the final blow to an Archdemon... that's deader than dead.

 

Mabari are magic dogs. That's why marking its territory increases the hounds' powers in Origins: he's saturating the soil and thinning the veil with its magic secretions  

 

 

After he flirts with Mae in Those Who Speak, Isabela implies that Alistair was thinking of making her a "special friend" too, implying that either they had a threesome with the Warden who'd be female in this canon.

 

(Unless Isabela had a one night stand with Alistair that never had an option to pick in Origins)

 

 

 

I can't picture Isabela not trying to have a(nother) one night stand with the king of Ferelden, if only to brag about it later.

[Qun00]

I don't think the Order would take it lightly if the Warden completely evaded his duties for almost 10 years.

If he was allowed to keep the title of Warden-Commander until the events of Inquisition as it is signed in that letter, he must've fulfilled assignments from time to time.

On a different note, his connection to Morrigan and Kieran is most likely kept a secret.

[Sifr]

I suppose ending the whole Blight thing might earn them a little slack when it comes to taking some vacation time now and again.

 

I suspect that the HoF wasn't able to completely escape their job responsibilities entirely during that decade, so even when they were on the road taking some time off, they still had to correspond regularly via letters to Vigil's Keep and Weisshaupt.

 

What more interests me is whether Weisshaupt launched a private investigation on the means the Warden might have used to survive the killing blow to the Archdemon, rather than accepting the vague explanation "that Morrigan saved them" as the answer? Mistress Woolsey seems to imply to us in Awakening that Weisshaupt still have a lot of questions about it?

[Qun00]

I suppose ending the whole Blight thing might earn them a little slack when it comes to taking some vacation time now and again.
 
I suspect that the HoF wasn't able to completely escape their job responsibilities entirely during that decade, so even when they were on the road taking some time off, they still had to correspond regularly via letters to Vigil's Keep and Weisshaupt.
 
What more interests me is whether Weisshaupt launched a private investigation on the means the Warden might have used to survive the killing blow to the Archdemon, rather than accepting the vague explanation "that Morrigan saved them" as the answer? Mistress Woolsey seems to imply to us in Awakening that Weisshaupt still have a lot of questions about it?

I can't see the Warden cooperating much with that investigation. If they knew, Kieran would be hunted down by the Order.

[Melbella]

I can't see the Warden cooperating much with that investigation. If they knew, Kieran would be hunted down by the Order.

Hmm....Morrigan does mention being hunted when you talk to her in DAI, which is why she hid in the Crossroads. Honestly, I could never think of any reason for why she might be hunted, but this would be a reason, if the Wardens were looking for Kieran. Of course, she says much the same thing even if there is no Kieran, so who knows?

[Andromelek]

Hmm....Morrigan does mention being hunted when you talk to her in DAI, which is why she hid in the Crossroads. Honestly, I could never think of any reason for why she might be hunted, but this would be a reason, if the Wardens were looking for Kieran. Of course, she says much the same thing even if there is no Kieran, so who knows?

Actually, she says that if you "killed" her.

[Melbella]

Actually, she says that if you "killed" her.

 

I've never "killed" her in Witch Hunt but she always says it if I ask the right question. I highly doubt she was looking for the eluvians just in case the Warden happened to decide to look for her one day.

 

Edit: Correction to my statement above. I never killed Morrigan in a game, but I did have that option picked in one world state I imported. However, I am certain I've had her say she's been hunted in more games than just that one.

Modifié par Melbella, 05 mai 2016 - 04:39 .

[Sifr]

I can't see the Warden cooperating much with that investigation. If they knew, Kieran would be hunted down by the Order.

 

I doubt the Warden ever disclosed that information to anyone else if they were the father, nor anyone besides Morrigan, the Warden and Loghain/Alistair knew if they were the ones to do the Dark Ritual instead. The only other person that might know the truth about Kieran (as the OGB) is Leliana, because even if she was left out of the loop, I can imagine her putting the pieces together after meeting him in DAI.

 

Hmm....Morrigan does mention being hunted when you talk to her in DAI, which is why she hid in the Crossroads. Honestly, I could never think of any reason for why she might be hunted, but this would be a reason, if the Wardens were looking for Kieran. Of course, she says much the same thing even if there is no Kieran, so who knows?

 

I assumed that was referring to Flemeth hunting her. Morrigan has spent the last ten years since Origins on the run from her mother, believing she wanted to possess her body. She even tells us at the time that Flemeth's (possible) death in Origins was only a temporary setback and that her mother would eventually find her.

[Lunatica]

Well, to be fair Anders probably invented time travel magic since by the time DA2's Act 1 kicks in he should be in a cell at the Vigil waiting for The Warden to arrive, nevermind dead 

DAA happen 6months after the  blight.

ACT 1 happen 1 year after the blight.

[Lunatica]

 

What more interests me is whether Weisshaupt launched a private investigation on the means the Warden might have used to survive the killing blow to the Archdemon, rather than accepting the vague explanation "that Morrigan saved them" as the answer? Mistress Woolsey seems to imply to us in Awakening that Weisshaupt still have a lot of questions about it?

The writers did not properly developed this path,they never allowed to the first warden and the order to investigate about everything from Fiona to Morrigan,apprently they simply don't care which is just absurd