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[JasonPogo]

So to become a Warden you need to drink the blood of a blighted Old God Dragon.  So yeah my question is during the first blight how did them manage to get blood from an Old God to drink?

[Cyrus Amell]

The first Old God kept getting killed and resurrected. But each time this happened it probably left behind its last tainted body. So if the group that went on to become Grey Wardens found and conducted tests upon these bodies they may have been able to deduce a way to kill it by disrupting the soul transfer. 

 

The first of this group were Anderfel Soldiers, hardly the kind of people who would be expected to be learned alchemists and arcane theorists. So they probably picked up a few knowledgeable individuals along the way and worked with them to come up with a solution. 

 

After finding out how to disrupt the soul transfer, they would have imbibed the magically altered tainted blood to become the first actual Grey Wardens and then sought the Archdemon for a last showdown.

 

The exact series of events regarding the First Blight is lost to time, short of a novelist writing in that part of the lore. What is known is that all of the original Anderfel Soldiers were dead by the end of the First Blight but that they were survived by many of their companions who went on to found the Order as we know it today.

[Treacherous J Slither]

The first Wardens were probably the most badass hardcore motherfuckers to ever exist in Thedas.

Or they were mad with desperation/despair.

[ModernAcademic]

I remember reading somewhere that some people from Tevinter had helped the first Wardens, since the first Blight happened there. It was carried along in the Anderfels later on.
They obviously knew blood magic. They must've studied darkspawn and the Archdemon. So could they've been the ones that introduced the blood rite known as the Joining?

[Inquisitor Tiber Trevelyan]

Mythal probably taught them how to, so she could collect some souls. If anybody could teach them how to do it, it would be her (assuming she's not Dumat, in that case somebody else who likely was connected to her taught the Wardens how to do it). 

 

I even suspect Mythal is the one who originally started the blights, or that she at least had something to do with it. 

[Sifr]

As Cyrus Amell pointed out, because no-one knew how to kill an Archdemon it just kept resurrecting itself in a new body from the horde, so they probably harvested the blood as they had people research the corpses of the previous dead hosts.

 

We know it took a lot of trial and error to get the Joining right. Since the first two Blights went on for decades, could be that they ended up with quite an adequate stockpile of Archdemon blood, should any trigger-happy non-Warden accidentally take the dragon down before any Warden could get on the scene and close enough to strike the final blow?

[Carol]

I think the first true Warden was created accidentally by a blood mage fighting against the Darkspawn.  He/she would have known thoroughly the danger of Darkspawn blood and avoided it at all costs(since the First Blight lasted for over 100 years, those fighting them would have learned the hard way just how dangerous their blood was to humans/elves/dwarves); but accidents happen when you are fighting the insane horrors that are Darkspawn., The mage may have ingested just a tiny drop of their blood.  And survived. Knowing that death would come quickly in the form of a living rot which imagination could feel in his body very quickly.   Blood magic involves lyrium and blood and makes one very powerful.  If I were desperately ill, why not try adding a drop of Archdemon blood to my concoction to make me even more powerful and maybe get revenge?  My guess would be a mage got poisoned, but survived.  Decided "What have I got to lose?" and mixed up a powerful blood magic potion with lyrium, and added a drop of Archdemon blood just to see what would happen.  Not much at first, but the Blight Sickness didn't progress as it did in others, and now our mage can sense Darkspawn -- handy instinct to have when facing them.  How long did our mage wait before sharing his discovery?  Months, maybe a year, but others would notice he hadn't developed the Blight Sickness, and his warnings about the approach of Darkspawn would have roused questions.  And answers.  And others willing to try the potion after they themselves had gotten a taste of Darkspawn blood and infection. It's still a secret 1,000 years on, because it is death sentence, sooner or later,  no matter how you look at it. 

[DeathScepter]

The first Wardens were probably the most badass hardcore motherfuckers to ever exist in Thedas.

Or they were mad with desperation/despair.

 

 

All Wardens are capable badasses,  and the first wardens went past their moral despair event horizon that they were willing to drinking Tainted Blood and finds ways to use that tainted blood to become the Order that we know and love today.

[SandiKay0]

I can't remember where I read it but I seem to recall it being an old elven magic spell one of the elves brought to table. I want to say its a codex but am uncertain.

[GoldenGail3]

It's unknown, but I have a theory.

The first Soliders were exposed to masses amounts of Darkspawn blood and began developing a immunity against the Darkspawn, like Leliana, and as such, after killing Dumant mutilply times, and failing, they began to think to ways to kill it - offically. They eventually came up with a the idea of drinking Darkspawn blood - somewhere along the way... And then they tried to kill Dumat again, but with Darkspawn blood in them...

[Ghost Gal]

The first Blight also lasted nearly a century, so they had literally generations of trial and error to figure it out.

 

As others have said, they also kept killing it and it just kept resurrecting--jumping into the body of the nearest tainted creature and reforming. At some point they probably figured that they needed to be tainted too, on the off-chance that jumping into a person's body wouldn't work, or their soul might block its soul, or they could use their own willpower to suppress the dragon's killer instincts should it reform in their bodies, or something.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that, after a century's worth of Blight, the darkspawn taint was everywhere. And the earliest proto-Grey Wardens were seasoned veterans dedicating their lives to fighting darkspawn. Well, lots of overrun darkspawn battles probably means lots of taint exposure, and lots of ghoulification followed by a lingering death. I think another reason the Grey Wardens developed the Joining was just to figure out how to resist the taint. They probably figured (at the time) that there was no way to avoid or cure the taint, so they just needed to master it.

 

And, yeah, this was in Tevinter and the Joining is essentially a result of blood magic research.

 

So, yeah. Lots of time to create, test, and perfect theories; lots of time for darkspawn veterans compare notes; lots of incentive to research solutions, etc.

[GoldenGail3]

The first Blight also lasted nearly a century, so they had literally generations of trial and error to figure it out.

 

As others have said, they also kept killing it and it just kept resurrecting--jumping into the body of the nearest tainted creature and reforming. At some point they probably figured that they needed to be tainted too, on the off-chance that jumping into a person's body wouldn't work, or their soul might block its soul, or they could use their own willpower to suppress the dragon's killer instincts should it reform in their bodies, or something.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that, after a century's worth of Blight, the darkspawn taint was everywhere. And the earliest proto-Grey Wardens were seasoned veterans dedicating their lives to fighting darkspawn. Well, lots of overrun darkspawn battles probably means lots of taint exposure, and lots of ghoulification followed by a lingering death. I think another reason the Grey Wardens developed the Joining was just to figure out how to resist the taint. They probably figured (at the time) that there was no way to avoid or cure the taint, so they just needed to master it.

 

And, yeah, this was in Tevinter and the Joining is essentially a result of blood magic research.

 

So, yeah. Lots of time to create, test, and perfect theories; lots of time for darkspawn veterans compare notes; lots of incentive to research solutions, etc.

 

That's like my theory but the more advanced way of saying everything... 

[ThomasBlaine]

The first Blight also lasted nearly a century, so they had literally generations of trial and error to figure it out.

 

As others have said, they also kept killing it and it just kept resurrecting--jumping into the body of the nearest tainted creature and reforming. At some point they probably figured that they needed to be tainted too, on the off-chance that jumping into a person's body wouldn't work, or their soul might block its soul, or they could use their own willpower to suppress the dragon's killer instincts should it reform in their bodies, or something.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that, after a century's worth of Blight, the darkspawn taint was everywhere. And the earliest proto-Grey Wardens were seasoned veterans dedicating their lives to fighting darkspawn. Well, lots of overrun darkspawn battles probably means lots of taint exposure, and lots of ghoulification followed by a lingering death. I think another reason the Grey Wardens developed the Joining was just to figure out how to resist the taint. They probably figured (at the time) that there was no way to avoid or cure the taint, so they just needed to master it.

 

And, yeah, this was in Tevinter and the Joining is essentially a result of blood magic research.

 

So, yeah. Lots of time to create, test, and perfect theories; lots of time for darkspawn veterans compare notes; lots of incentive to research solutions, etc.

 

This is my theory as well. If the games ever went to Weisshaupt I wouldn't be surprised to find a monument of some kind dedicated to the thousands of dead in the failed experimental Joinings used to get the original formula right. Probably slaves and volunteers both.