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[gaineraid]

My question is do you think we will be able to play as a dwarf mage in the upcoming DA4? 

 

If you played the dungeon crawler, The Descent, I believe this was hinted. She used magic in the final act or something like it. It would be a new option that we have not had before. I think it would make for some interesting dialogue.

 

My theory:

Valta stated that "the dwarven race broke into". I look at it between Dwarves that have "stone sense(magic)" and those that don't, the "Impure", or whatever they called them back then. Maybe, the Dwarves ended up being similar to what happened with the Elves. In-fighting leading to there destruction. Instead of doing the whole cast the golden city into the fade thing, they sealed themselves in. They tied all the magic to the Titans or Titan we don't know. Basically shut themselves off from magic so they could end their civil war. They sealed the tunnels in and like the Elves over eons they lost their history. The blights also helped with that. At the end of Descent, I believe we wake and defeat one of the Titans letting magic loose. 

 

Right now it is in the hand of just one mage dwarf as far as we know. But, we do not know how far this will spread. Valta sealed the caves on purpose, but we do not know what her intentions are. We do not know if she will seal in magic again. From what it sounded like at the end it looks like she wants to use it...maybe grow it. 

 

We don't know what waking and defeating the Titan did. I think it will wake other dwarves like Valta, who are "Pure", and that is where we have our Protagonist as a dwarf mage!

[ArcadiaGrey]

That reminds me of WoW.  Adding dwarven mages just seems like fan service to me, I'd rather they stuck to their guns and left dwarves as a non-magical race.

One of my world states is pro-Templar and anti-magic, and I found it much easier to approach that with a dwarf Warden and a dwarf IQ as they just didn't get what all the fuss was about.  

 

Anyway that's just my personal opinion, I'm intrigued by what The Descent is hinting at.  Clearly they're laying the foundations for future lore and finding out what the Titan's role will be is exciting.

 

Also, giving dwarves a strong role in the world is very much needed imo, they've gotten to the point where they're just hanging around selling lyrium and being afraid of the sky.  I'd love them to be elevated to a more important position going forward, and not just forgotten in Orzammar while we all sail off to Tevinter.

[AutumnWitch]

 

Also, giving dwarves a strong role in the world is very much needed imo, they've gotten to the point where they're just hanging around selling lyrium and being afraid of the sky.  I'd love them to be elevated to a more important position going forward, and not just forgotten in Orzammar while we all sail off to Tevinter.

 

This pretty much echoes the Dwarves in Tolkien doesn't it? A once great civilization on it's downward decline and eventual demise. I suspect BW will continue this trend but perhaps integrative all the dwarves into human society more than they already are. This will be a problem when/if the Darkspawn finally push them out of Orzammer not only culture wise for the dwarves but if the lyrium supply is cut off that will also be big trouble for the humans as well. 

 

EDIT: That being said, because of the darkspawn shutting down the deep roads, there is still a possibility of another "lost" dwarven society that is so far away they are unable to or unwilling to make contact with the known entities in Thedas.

[ArcadiaGrey]

This pretty much echoes the Dwarves in Tolkien doesn't it? A once great civilization on it's downward decline and eventual demise. I suspect BW will continue this trend but perhaps integrative all the dwarves into human society more than they already are. This will be a problem when/if the Darkspawn finally push them out of Orzammer not only culture wise for the dwarves but if the lyrium supply is cut off that will also be big trouble for the humans as well. 

 

EDIT: That being said, because of the darkspawn shutting down the deep roads, there is still a possibility of another "lost" dwarven society that is so far away they are unable to or unwilling to make contact with the known entities in Thedas.

 

Does it?  I had no idea, I haven't read LoTR. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see another set of dwarves somewhere in the Deep Roads.

[Sifr]

 

EDIT: That being said, because of the darkspawn shutting down the deep roads, there is still a possibility of another "lost" dwarven society that is so far away they are unable to or unwilling to make contact with the known entities in Thedas.

 

Well, Kal-Sharok have been pretty isolationist and fall into this story niche since we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to them...

 

But I actually like to imagine that perhaps "the Executors" might end up being revealed to be a secretive, long-lost society of Dwarves. Perhaps they built their Thaig underneath a distant island and so were cut off from the rest of Thedas when they flooded their part of Deep Roads to prevent the Darkspawn from reaching them during the First Blight?

 

Alternatively, given their propensity for having been expert sailors and having explored Thedas even prior to the first Blight, it might be interesting if they are the remains of the Kossith society that the Qunari departed (or potentially got exiled) from?

 

Or perhaps even a combination of the two, giving us a long lost Dwarf colony on a distant island, who eventually were discovered, conquered by or allied with the Kossith, who were on the island or landed there? Giving us a bunch of dwarves who'd been fully integrated into a society of proto-Qunari would be an interesting blended culture to explore.

[Medhia_Nox]

Dwarves represent stoicism... this usually forces their decline in fiction.  I have two theories: 

 

1)  Stoicism needs something to be stoic about.  The grim demise suffered by a people at the hands of radicals is usually what dwarves get.

 

2)  Stoicism is the enemy of the modern mentality.  People don't find worth in suffering in silence... everyone needs to scream their victimization to the high heavens and have "hurt feelings" and what have you. AKA:  Elves

 

As for dwarven mages.  While I don't dislike what happened in Descent with the Shaperate... I feel that DA dwarves already HAVE mages. 

 

They're called Golems.  Shale in particular.

 

She can heal... hurl AOE's... has defensive powers... etc. etc. 

I wanted a Dwarven "mage" class where you are actually made into a Shale-like golem.  

 

But - it looks like we might get "Shapers" - if we ever get mage dwarves at all.

[sim-ran]

Golems are nothing like mages.

Gameplay mechanics are not the same as lore.

[KaiserShep]

Dwarves represent stoicism... this usually forces their decline in fiction. I have two theories:

1) Stoicism needs something to be stoic about. The grim demise suffered by a people at the hands of radicals is usually what dwarves get.

2) Stoicism is the enemy of the modern mentality. People don't find worth in suffering in silence... everyone needs to scream their victimization to the high heavens and have "hurt feelings" and what have you. AKA: Elves

As for dwarven mages. While I don't dislike what happened in Descent with the Shaperate... I feel that DA dwarves already HAVE mages.

They're called Golems. Shale in particular.

She can heal... hurl AOE's... has defensive powers... etc. etc.
I wanted a Dwarven "mage" class where you are actually made into a Shale-like golem.

But - it looks like we might get "Shapers" - if we ever get mage dwarves at all.

Golem AoE attacks are akin to those of regular warriors that can stun or throw people back with nothing but their booming voices.

[Dai Grepher]

Doubt we'll see a dwarf connected to a titan other than Valta, or maybe Sandal. But they could make a mage-type dwarf as a class. Perhaps it could be the 4th class that DA4 could use to make a unique class party, meaning one party member from each class making a 4-person party.

The dwarf, or any properly trained person, could use magical items, weapons, armor, runes, or maybe even scrolls to perform various attacks.

As for attacks that derive from the dwarf, without being Sha-Brytol, I don't see it happening.

[thats1evildude]

I think "mage" is the wrong word.

 

We encountered Sha-Brytol called "Earthshakers" who were like Earthbenders from Avatar. I think Valta is now like them, but much stronger.

[Knight of Dane]

I hope not

[Laughing_Man]

That would be an interesting concept for the next DA iteration, especially if their magic is different, perhaps due to coming from The Stone.

 

As for dwarven mages.  While I don't dislike what happened in Descent with the Shaperate... I feel that DA dwarves already HAVE mages. 

 

They're called Golems.  Shale in particular.

 

Golems have more in common with an enchanted piece of armor than with an actual mage.

Golems are enchanted humans, very similar to Fenris in a way.

 

Magic implies a potential for great change - for good or ill, mind over matter, bringing about a change in reality essentially by will alone,

the freedom to shape an Arcane source to your will.

 

Golems are none of these things. They are limited, bound, amalgamations of stone, metal, Lyrium and blood-magic.

If anything, they are as unchanging as the stone and metal that they are made of.

 

What limited evolution and freedom we see in a few of them, are most likely the result of special circumstances or magical tempering.

[sjsharp2011]

I think "mage" is the wrong word.

 

We encountered Sha-Brytol called "Earthshakers" who were like Earthbenders from Avatar. I think Valta is now like them, but much stronger.

yeah this is what I suspect too.

[Xerrai]

To be honest, I thought it was the Titan doing all of the magic. But it was the dwarf, the ones that can 'listen to the stone', that can effectivly ask the Titan to affect the world in certain ways.

[Cute Nug]

No but dwarf in a dress will be back and that is magical enough

 

[Addictress]

I think the only magicy spell I remember Golems casting are activation of Cleansing aura, which is quite magey indeed. Everything else was warrior-related though

[JadeDragon]

DA4 would be to soon for whatever happened to Valta to happen to enough dwarves for us to have it as a class. Maybe DA4 could further explain whatever Valta really is at this point, we honestly need to know what is up with Kal-Sharok dwarves also I think they now may have split into a subrace of dwarves just how Arlathan Elves ended up becoming the Dalish. The Earthshaker class would be a cool class or specialization for the not just dwarves but mages in general. They were almost like melee mages maybe hinting at a possible lyrium gauntlet mage class.

[gaineraid]

 

I think "mage" is the wrong word.

 

We encountered Sha-Brytol called "Earthshakers" who were like Earthbenders from Avatar. I think Valta is now like them, but much stronger.

 

I could see a dwarf only specialist class like that. Kind of like a mage, but not quite, almost like a druid class for dwarves.

[Reznore57]

I think "mage" is the wrong word.

 

We encountered Sha-Brytol called "Earthshakers" who were like Earthbenders from Avatar. I think Valta is now like them, but much stronger.

 

Yeah I feel like at most dwarves could be the equivalent of a force mage from DA2.

They do not tap into the fade to get their powers , they tap into Titans and Titans "move" the Stone.

But still if Valta is an example of how dwarves can gain some powers , it means only dwarves with a good Stone sense can achieve this .You can forget about all the surface dwarves.

You need an awaken Titan , this one got woken up by the Breach ...it says it happened before like thousand of years ago , so unless something happens an Awaken Titan is rare.

To get in touch with the Titan you need to find one of course and go deep underground beyond darkspawn hordes and all that.

And then the Titan has to feel like it's bonding time.This one it seems felt lonely.

So again unless an event happens or we get new informations we shouldn't meet much dwarves with the "Force" .

[Almostfaceman]

My question is do you think we will be able to play as a dwarf mage in the upcoming DA4? 

 

 

Probably, or as something resembling that. If not in DA4 then probably DA5. Both Descent and Trespasser hint at big potential changes for Thedas. 

[GoldenGail3]

Yeah, I'm gonna say it, but no. Becuase it's not fricken WOW we're playing, people.

[SandiKay0]

I wonder if the Kal Sharok dwarves might have survived because of a titan. But the note found at the Sulivan(sp?) Keep says the might be more like grey wardens. But then again they did kick the venatoris bums in that war table mission so who k ows.

[Fylimar]

I don't think, dwarven mages would be a good idea. I would rather see some kind of industrial revolution from the dwarves. They could invent something new to Thedas or maybe build some kind of machine, something, that would even make the Qunari nervous. It would help integrate the dwarves more into the story while keeping them at their territory (inventing and building things).

[Melyanna]

Couldn't Sandal be a precedent for dwarves that use (some kind of) magic? (re: the explosions and stuff that happen around him when he is in danger).

There is also some kind of parallel between him and Tranquils: Tranquils are mages whose link with the fade has been removed, and they use lyrium to enchant items.
Sandal is a dwarf, so has no link with the fade, and he can enchant items.

EDIT: while I don't particularly like the idea of playing a dwarven mage (or of Thedas having dwarve mages), it might work out well in the end so I'd have to see it before judging.
On paper, I like it better the way it is now.

(Edited so my answers stays on topic and I actually reply to OP's question)

[Patricia08]

My question is do you think we will be able to play as a dwarf mage in the upcoming DA4? 

 

 

I hope so i would really like to see that happen.