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[Beerfish]

80% of statistics are for losers and the other 40% are for losers that can't count....wait ...wut?

[Cyonan]

80% of statistics are for losers and the other 40% are for losers that can't count....wait ...wut?

 

Yeah, but we all know that 83.23% of statistics are just made up on the spot anyway.

[Fuenf789]

Right, and I fail to see how that ever matters.

I also don't think it's reasonable to assume that any given player even intends to do that.

Sylvius. Cough. Did you miss that 1H37m SP speed run  finishing mass effect ?

 

 Sorry to break your speed but there are whole communities like that.

[Sartoz]

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A very old and now outdated metric information and also not reliable. ORIGINS counts me playing DA:I even when I'm sitting in the Throne. It's a game EA plays to show their investors the popularity of their IPs. Statistics in days/hours were converted to minutes to grow the numbers from millions to billions of minutes played.

 

I grant you that the cost of making a SP is much higher than making an MP only game. Still, how many MP only games vs SP or vs SP+MP made it to the GOTY awards? Bio milked their GOTY award for DA:I as much as they could.... and the award was not for its MP.

 

If you think about it, the Mass Effect IP is all about the Single Player campaign with MP as collateral revenue.

[AlanC9]

Sorry to break your speed but there are whole communities like that.

Umm... what does that speedrun thing have to do with Sylvius's point? You do know what "any given player" means, right?

Yeah, I know you're not doing the whole rational debate thing here, but that didn't work as a joke or an insult either. It was just a weird non sequitur.

[KaiserShep]

Right, and I fail to see how that ever matters.
I also don't think it's reasonable to assume that any given player even intends to do that.

Player intention is irrelevant. When talking about game completion, it's a simple matter of whether or not the player went through the entire sequence the game encompasses. Think of it this way: if you didn't beat Saren in ME1, you have no import file, because the sequence is incomplete. Whether or not I or anyone here feels that matters is totally meaningless. When a developer gets stats on game completion, they can't base it on our arbitrary definitions. It is first and foremost a computer program and their definition is based on its function.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Sylvius. Cough. Did you miss that 1H37m SP speed run finishing mass effect ?


Sorry to break your speed but there are whole communities like that.

You completely failed to understand what I said.

[Fuenf789]

You completely failed to understand what I said.

That's probably the only logical way to back out of your initial argument with Kaisershep, when you reached a cul-de-sac in countering alternatives. Pretending that nobody understands you. Young adolescents often revert to such measures. Did I see a foot slamming into the floor simultaneously?

You lost a rook in that exchange though. Hence, 5 points for KS. Clock ticks on your side.

(Hint: Btw the next logical move for you would be to stay totally silent in suspense and let the clock tick out - to save your face. Alanc9/correctomundo or Natashina, will then find the silence unbearable and try to counter with another non-commital /silly troll statement. Such impatience can finally be used to your benefit by correcting or updating us on some illogical intention. Don't worry, the majority of me:a posters will never figure out what really happened and will just spam some further dunno's).

[Edwin Master Race]

If you want to play SP, go play tetris, don't hold the progress of the ME franchise back.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Player intention is irrelevant. When talking about game completion, it's a simple matter of whether or not the player went through the entire sequence the game encompasses. Think of it this way: if you didn't beat Saren in ME1, you have no import file, because the sequence is incomplete. Whether or not I or anyone here feels that matters is totally meaningless. When a developer gets stats on game completion, they can't base it on our arbitrary definitions. It is first and foremost a computer program and their definition is based on its function.

But why count that ending and not count sidequests?

And more importantly, why assume that a player cares about completion? A player could well enjoy a SP campaign for a very different reason, so measuring completion rstes tells us nothing.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If you want to play SP, go play tetris, don't hold the progress of the ME franchise back.

Tetris is actually one of those games that works well in multiplayer.

[Sylvius the Mad]

That's probably the only logical way to back out of your initial argument with Kaisershep, when you reached a cul-de-sac in countering alternatives. Pretending that nobody understands you. Young adolescents often revert to such measures. Did I see a foot slamming into the floor simultaneously?

You lost a rook in that exchange though. Hence, 5 points for KS. Clock ticks on your side.

(Hint: Btw the next logical move for you would be to stay totally silent in suspense and let the clock tick out - to save your face. Alanc9/correctomundo or Natashina, will then find the silence unbearable and try to counter with another non-commital /silly troll statement. Such impatience can finally be used to your benefit by correcting or updating us on some illogical intention. Don't worry, the majority of me:a posters will never figure out what really happened and will just spam some further dunno's).

I didn't assert that no one cares about finishing games. I didn't even assert that most people don't care about finishing games.

To what assertion were you reaponding? As AlanC9 points out, your response reads like a non sequitur, as it has no discernable relation to anything I said.

[Grieving Natashina]

@Fuen

Um, why was my name brought up? Is this over some likes I gave to various posters? I've been pretty much staying out of this debate. I know I stopped by to make a comment that we needed some new game information and put up a gif. I've been doing that a lot lately, because I do think we could use some new information.

I don't think a standalone MP-only Mass Effect game is a bad idea at all. I don't play MP, but I don't see why they couldn't do some MP-only Mass Effect games. I think that the SP vs MP debate is silly, and it's not like I'm completely attached to one mode of gameplay. I've also thrown in support for MP in other ways too, such as having unique weapons and armor unlocked for the SP that can only happen if you play a lot of MP. There is several posters, some of who primarily play MP that encouraged me to try the series. So I would completely agree that the MP community has done a lot to keep ME3 active.

I would greatly prefer if BioWare games continue to have both game modes. If the company did decide to make future ME games MP only, I wouldn't cry or gnash my teeth. I wouldn't be here shaking my fist at the sky and boycotting the company. I wouldn't come here on the forums and starting ripping on the company or on other posters. I just wouldn't buy it, and I'd hope that others had a good time.

Your idea didn't bother me, but the way you presented it left me shaking my head. It's great that folks enjoy the ME games, no matter if they enjoy SP, MP or even both. It would be like me claiming that anyone that dares to like MP is all the same person posting in support for themselves.

I'm also not Alan or correct or anyone else. I was snarky in my previous post, but I wasn't trying to troll. I honestly apologize if I came across that way. I've run into some extremely bad news regarding a family member this week. I try to avoid trolling posters if I can help it. This is all about a video game and life's too short to me to be a troll over disagreements. You enjoy MP and feel that's where the money is.

I disagree, but hey, to each their own. I don't think BioWare cares all that much. At the end of the day, they are still selling their games.

[Fuenf789]

If you want to play SP, go play tetris, don't hold the progress of the ME franchise back.

True dat.

To create something new- sometimes existing stuff that looks perfect must be broken.

To bake a cake : some eggs must be broken.

[Fuenf789]

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No prob. You are right of course and are forgiven for some polarizing remarks in lieu of stressful personal times you are experiencing. I sincerely wish you more positive times ahead.

I read your responses in the context of those troll posts that rarily contribute something constructive - whilst holding an own opinion as universal truth. That "like" was interpreted as supportive of such unquestioned bestial absolutism from seclusionists of which I am eternally opposed to. Will you forgive my using your "like" as means to an end?

You certainly know that I'm a moderate myself - and used this thread, to show a polarized antithesis with the objective of making a point ; that a resolve lies in both parties , making some concessions - in earnest towards something totally new.

Kahlil Gibran is wise when he says :
"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."

The world has moved on since 2012- and no amount of reminiscence will get us back some old outdated ideas. Live with the times and not against it.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't think you're a bad person, and you're very passionate, However, I think there is better ways to go about your suggestion rather than putting up outdated statistics and being belligerent right off the bat. You're coming across as pretty combative in your disagreements with other posters, and it's put a lot of folks on the defensive. I was confused as to why my name was brought up.

Try to think about it this way: There really is room for both. Contrary to popular misconception, one game mode doesn't dip into the resources of another. I'll try to dig up the link later, but a dev said that if they got rid of SP or MP, the resources from one won't go into the other. They'll just cut it out entirely. I think that it would be a shame if BioWare got rid of MP or SP. Both communities have done more than their fair share in keeping ME3 relevant.

I have no problem admitting that I'm not great at MP games. I also don't have the 5-10 minutes most days to play. Too busy taking care of other things. I don't want to be "that guy" (or in my case, girl) that keeps going AFK or makes folks wait forever in the lobby.

And I don't want to lose the single player stories which I've enjoyed. I do think that having "side stories" for the ME games via MP is a good idea. I would be happier if they kept the main ME series a mix of game play with some standalone ME games that are MP only.

Maybe I'm old fashioned. I will never understand the level of sincerity about this silly SP vs MP debate coming from some posters. It's "Sega vs Nintendo" all over again, a debate that was old and tired when I was in the 5th grade over 25 years ago.

So, why not both? As long as MP doesn't have an effect on getting a SP game ending again, I'm peachy.

[Laughing_Man]

To bake a cake : some eggs must be broken.

 

I'm volunteering your eggs.

[ZipZap2000]

I'm volunteering your eggs.

And he has to watch them being cracked and whisked into a white powder filled with sugar and salt. Then help us eat at the flesh of his aborted children that never were, with whipped cream and custard. Only to find out the pastry chef put licorice on it. So now nobody wants to his cake made of sacrificial young ones, because they taste bad.

Is that what you want Fuen?

Is it?

[ZipZap2000]

80% of statistics are for losers and the other 40% are for losers that can't count....wait ...wut?

You can use statistics to prove anything Ken. 14th% of all people know that. - Homer.........Simpson.

[Malanek]

MPer and SPer player complement each other. Assets like models, tilesets, game rules, code, animations, and gameplay can and should be leveraged by both. Sure some players might not like one of the modes, but the player base largely benefits by having both with a better game. I know I am looking forward to both.

[Pee Jae]

Yeah, believe it or not, there are a lot of us (who are just being facetious and snarky, gotcha) who are looking forward to both.

[AlanC9]

You certainly know that I'm a moderate myself - and used this thread, to show a polarized antithesis with the objective of making a point ; that a resolve lies in both parties , making some concessions - in earnest towards something totally new.

Does this strategy ever work on a forum? I've seen it tried, but I've never seen it work. If people get the irony they think that you're making fun of the side you're pretending to support; if they don't, that side just looks like idiots, and so do you.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Thank you for opening the possibility for a logical debate.
We can say a lot bad about statistics- but the fact remains that it helps us to see the wood from the trees - or clarify some patterns. No doubt it can be misinterpreted. Even something as straightforward like total number of licences are sources for conflict by those that don't want to hear it (ie number of pirate copies, inherited games, bought but never installed, endless...).

I believe people are survivors by nature - so EA withholding the large number of stats also serves a purpose : people are better off hearing no messages in a bubble - than negative public messages. That builds lore, facts doesn't.
 
Simply using this thread as an example - in the end - we all want to have a choice on the freedom of association. You have trolls in SP we have trolls in MP. I think the crux is to allow people to exercise that option - without being gnomes themselves - hence I have to agree with you that I'd like some players out with dirty laundry - or even ban some constant perpetrators . That is about the only negative thing in mp that needs to be managable to make it fun for everyone.
In constrast - Hiding in a box / cutting youself of from people is seldom healthy - and is breeding spot for mal- aligned personalities.

A large community of people is always a good feedback mechanism, even if there are some bad apples here in there.
Hence , EA have a social responsibility to erridicate such potential abcesses (ie isolating yourself over years), where possible and help to rehabilitate some back into the natural world again of interaction and human communication.

 

If I want human interaction I will go to out to a store, restaurant, park, bar, etc.You know where actual people are. Playing a video game while being insulted on a headset in every way possible is not human interaction I need or want.  

[yolobastien6412]

Now that bioware has added mp, it will be hard for them to take it away. However, the trend of some video games releasing without any singleplayer mode just makes me sad.

If ME:A does not have a mp, I will be disappointed for a few minutes, and then just start a new playthrough.

If ME:A does not have any sp, I will not buy it, ever.

[Fuenf789]

If ME:A has MP with species from the milkyway and even some newer ones, I don't need a story before I engage in MP.
In fact I'll not sulk in a corner, release hatemail, or organise protests when ME:ASP is not released or released in exactly the way I envisaged it myself. I'll just go with the flow. Life moves on.

I'll play SP (even if its released 6 months later than MP) and might take 2 years to move on at any pace I prefer but not get rebellious if it is released much much later. Quality comes at a premium. I don't mind if the ending is different than my expectation. It is a interactable movie for me.

 

 

I don't need to go out to bars and parks to seek out strangers or ogle people in restaurants because most mp'ers have existing friendships already and interact with them in that context. MP'ers do not see coop as a replacement for human interaction as Cyberstrike nTo and alot of SP here see it. I can also find likeminded people through the luxury of technology and have fun together on a totally other context - gaming.

--> MP is simply a further dimension for me to have sociable behaviour and relaxation. I can throttle the channel of interaction to a minimum or open it up with squad members, as I please based on my mood.

I respect that some here find any socialable behaviour (like using a mic, chatting,) frightening because there might be 2 out of 1000 people that do not have exactly the same worldview or react different under the same circumstances. I don't doubt my own personality each time somebody says something different. I can understand that some SP just need to break out and escape from normal daily live and isolate themselves in a predetermined / slight changeable story line. Their "escapism" doesn't obligate me, though, to also act similarly. No amount of forum spam shouting by minority opinion will scare me into that. I can tolerate more "unplannable/dynamic " non-repeatable interaction in-game and seldom find the urge to repeat the same clinical iterations - decoupled from our own reality of nature (dust, tears and sweat filled) world  to "get it perfect" and enjoy it at face value with other vibrant people experiencing it with me.

Different strokes for different folks.