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Is The Inquisitor a Mary Sue?


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Be pissed off then. Only someone who knows I'm right would be.

 

Yeah well... someone who knows something about how to properly debate and use logic know that this is nothing more than a logical fallacy - argumentum ad passiones. Used frequently by those who have no arguments and try to appeal to emotions.


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Eh, Harbinger litterally polverizes every soldier who gets near the beacon, but not Shep. Also, the evacuation scene they add with the Extended Cut makes even less sense, Harbinger could have just destroyed the Normandy with one shot and.... bye everyone

True, but it made sense with the Indoctrination Theory... like so much else. Such a wasted opportunity there. Fun fact: Harbinger actually uses a different laser on Shep specifically, no one else. He uses 2 offset lasers (starboard/port) on everything else, but uses a middle laser on only Shepard. Make of that what you will.

 

Oh, right, the Normandy evacuation scene... I forgot about the extended cut. Heh, yeah, that was beyond ridiculous. So far beyond. And it's like Bioware knew that, since they specifically showed a shot of Harbinger staring at the Normandy, making the player go: "Why is he just standing there?" Bioware, make sense!


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If anyone thinks the "god" versions of Caesar, Antony, and Cleopatra are more interesting than the real ones, they're silly. There's enough drama there on it's own.

 

Alexander Hamilton was a Centralist.. of course he would say that. You'll still see this rift in America between him and Jeffersonians. Don't expect many Americans to care about what he represents. Even if they don't know his name. Most people don't like elitists, who think it's their god-given right to be "one of the betters". It's nobility by another name.

 

I didn't say the "god" version of Antony/Cleopatra etc, I meant that the "Roman Empire" (with all it's centralization) was an after-effect of interactions between decentralized Rome and dynastic Egypt during that period.

 

The difference is that the pharaohs and other such god kings were bred to believe in it themselves and became wilfull participants of it. I referred to the baby emperor because the baby can't do anything about it and is more or less a passive symbol. By the time they grew up, of course, they believe in it themselves. The baby is how I view the inquisitor, having stumbled into the anchor.

 

That may have been true at some point or at times, but likely it would have at least originated with an equal actually belief in it (or else it have not really ever been present)



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True, but it made sense with the Indoctrination Theory... like so much else. Such a wasted opportunity there. Fun fact: Harbinger actually uses a different laser on Shep specifically, no one else. He uses 2 offset lasers (starboard/port) on everything else, but uses a middle laser on only Shepard. Make of that what you will.

 

Oh, right, the Normandy evacuation scene... I forgot about the extended cut. Heh, yeah, that was beyond ridiculous. So far beyond. And it's like Bioware knew that, since they specifically showed a shot of Harbinger staring at the Normandy, making the player go: "Why is he just standing there?" Bioware, make sense!

 

Eh, yeah. I was a supporter of the IT back on the day too. Now i just kind of find it funny that ME3 was such a mess and had so many holes that a fan-made theory made 100% more sense than what we got (Seriously, who thought the colors were a good idea :lol: )


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True, but it made sense with the Indoctrination Theory... like so much else. Such a wasted opportunity there. Fun fact: Harbinger actually uses a different laser on Shep specifically, no one else. He uses 2 offset lasers (starboard/port) on everything else, but uses a middle laser on only Shepard. Make of that what you will.

Oh, right, the Normandy evacuation scene... I forgot about the extended cut. Heh, yeah, that was beyond ridiculous. So far beyond. And it's like Bioware knew that, since they specifically showed a shot of Harbinger staring at the Normandy, making the player go: "Why is he just standing there?" Bioware, make sense!



Also Shepard is sturdier than other soldiers because he's basically a cyborg after the Lazarus Project

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Also Shepard is sturdier than other soldiers because he's basically a cyborg after the Lazarus Project

 

1st thing we see in ME3 is a Reaper's beam oneshotting a dreadnought :P


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1st thing we see in ME3 is a Reaper's beam oneshotting a dreadnought :P


Yeah *sigh* well, technically the laser never directly hits him. It blasts near him, comically missing every time.

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Anyway, more on topic again the tedious element in a lot of games and stuff these days for me is kind of the normalization of the RPG genre.

 

I actually don't really have a fundamental problem with the kind of goofball Arcade origins of games at all, those are the games I most strongly identify with, you know, the ones with no dialogue or whatever and just fighting with your ship with cool chiptunes in the background. In fact, still play those games, because they are often fun games (something modern games often struggle with). These characters were (at least perceived) as maybe more edgy or kind of unique or something perhaps.

 

RPGs were originally a kind of hybrid genre that combined the game elements with more cinematic conventional elements, but still retained sort of the "game" element as well.

 

However, a lot of people without much interest in games started to become interested due to the presence of such elements, and oftentimes would convert those RPGs into movies essentially, leaving things less interesting IMO.

 

It's almost as annoying to me as the comicization of movies, I'd rather not play a game or consume comics and then have movies be kind of the same thing personally. .



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Well, that's not true. The OP is right, the Inquisitor gets everything handed to them on a silver platter, you can't **** up. Meanwhile, in Dragon Age: Origins, I felt heartbroken on my first playthrough when I had no choice but to kill Connor, because I had failed to save the mages. Sure, I still ended up being the hero, but not without scars.


How the hell did you manage to fail to save the mages!

Also I don't see how this is different to failing to talk the wardens down because you didn't bring Blackwall or spare that one group of wardens earlier

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How the hell did you manage to fail to save the mages!

First Enchanter Irving might have died.



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I've had First Enchanter Irving die on me in my first old playthroughs :(

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How the hell did you manage to fail to save the mages!

Also I don't see how this is different to failing to talk the wardens down because you didn't bring Blackwall or spare that one group of wardens earlier


Because you literally have to say "I want to kill these innocent wardens". That's not failing, that's choosing. And failing to talk the Wardens down? Does that even change anything in the story? You always get the choice to either recruit or banish them, no?
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Relevant video on what a Mary Sue is and how Rey is an excellent example of a Mary Sue.

 



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A "Mary Sue" is a character (normally associated with fanfic) modeled on the author who overshadows the other characters

 

as a player of a Bioware game is practically a co-author then if they base the character on themselves then the character is a Mary Sue (and even more so if they write fanfic based on that character).

 

If the player does not base the character on themself then the character is not a Mary Sue



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STRAYKAT WTF WTF

ARE YOU....STOP. STOP WHATEVER YOURE DOING THIS INSTANT AND PLAY TRESPASSER

my god

i played inquisition on PS3

and I don't have a home internet connection for downloads

is trespasser on disc yet?



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and I don't have a home internet connection for downloads

 

 

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A "Mary Sue" is a character (normally associated with fanfic) modeled on the author who overshadows the other characters

 

as a player of a Bioware game is practically a co-author then if they base the character on themselves then the character is a Mary Sue (and even more so if they write fanfic based on that character).

 

If the player does not base the character on themself then the character is not a Mary Sue

 

Not quite: an author basing a character on themselves does not necessarily make the character a Sue especially since the author might give the character the flaws they have and have the flaws be actual flaws. Some authors do this when they write stories that parallel their own lives sometimes as a way of coming to terms with some events in their lives. 

 

Sometimes it is also because the author gives the protagonistic character their traits because it can make them easier to write as the author is personally familiar with the traits and what they can do. This also includes their flaws since the author can have experienced the consequence of said flaws personally and so can know what it feels like and of what the consequences are the result of.  

 

Not all characters that qualify as Sues are based on the author: characters that are based on the author and considered wish-fulfillment of said author is often labelled a self-insert though as is the rule, a self-insert is not by itself a bad thing. It's the other aspects that are often added on such as idealization and a lack of flaws that make them a case of a self-insert Sue.

 

There are different kinds of Sues: the classical Sue is the one most are familiar with which is the Sue who is perfect in all that they do and loved by all characters.

 

There is plenty of characters that are mislabelled as Sues especially since, like with other terms, people often have their own definition of the term.
 


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How the hell did you manage to fail to save the mages!

Also I don't see how this is different to failing to talk the wardens down because you didn't bring Blackwall or spare that one group of wardens earlier

 

You just need  the speech perk for that. Nothing else. Noone required to tag along.



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i played inquisition on PS3
and I don't have a home internet connection for downloads
is trespasser on disc yet?


No :(

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They're all Mary Sue's! There wouldn't be RPG games if they weren't.



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They're all Mary Sue's! There wouldn't be RPG games if they weren't.

 

Yet there's always the question what you can make of the skeleton presented. I think, you can shape your own inquisitor quite a bit. Within the confines, of course. But not every PC turns out the same.



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STRAYKAT WTF WTF
ARE YOU....STOP. STOP WHATEVER YOURE DOING THIS INSTANT AND PLAY TRESPASSER
my god


This should apply to me too... ): Sorry, Addictress.. I really, really am. I haven't played it either...

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This should apply to me too... ): Sorry, Addictress.. I really, really am. I haven't played it either...


If you hated DAI like me, you will be immensely satisfied with Trespasser.
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If you hated DAI like me, you will be immensely satisfied with Trespasser.


Yeah, well, me and Straycat on the same boat in this. But I'd like to play it...
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Mary Sue? No. My Inky is a goddess who is forced to walk among these lowly mortals. The nerve of the Inquisition to expect me, ME, to fulfill their stupid requisitions.