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A lot of people are severely booty blasted over a simple change of setting to avoid the fallout from ME3, but would a hard reboot be so terrible? Movie franchises do it all the time, and even some game franchises have done it.
Look at DMC. Criminally underrated, but vastly superior to Devil May Cry 4 and essentially the best of the first and third games mixed with a fresh, more unique take on the franchise. Fanboys tore it down before it ever hit the market, but it's a great game that's immediately identifiable as Devil May Cry and yet new and different at the same time.
So why not reboot Mass Effect? It's just a fictional world made up by people on the spot. Every creative person knows that their works can always be improved upon.
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DMC pretty much shat on their main character so that's a fair comparison. I don't think it would be a bad thing. I'm of the opinion they need to bulldoze the franchise and start over anyway.

New fans, new story.

Probably even new characters.

But I also believe that wont happen till the Andromeda saga is over with.

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Is a change of setting a hard reboot though? Or is a hard reboot what your suggesting?

 

I think in the case of Mass Effect, a clean slate in Andromeda is a good thing, and can't see why so many are up in arms over it. But I don't see the change in setting as a reboot though personally.



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Is a change of setting a hard reboot though? Or is a hard reboot what your suggesting?


A change of setting is just a change of setting. A hard reboot is like Spider-Man 3 -> Amazing Spider-Man.

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A change of setting is just a change of setting. A hard reboot is like Spider-Man 3 -> Amazing Spider-Man.


Aren't those two different universes?

Spectacular Spiderman and Amazing Spiderman?

Or did they mess that up so bad I cant tell the diff now?

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A lot of people are severely booty blasted over a simple change of setting to avoid the fallout from ME3, but would a hard reboot be so terrible? Movie franchises do it all the time, and even some game franchises have done it.
Look at DMC. Criminally underrated, but vastly superior to Devil May Cry 4 and essentially the best of the first and third games mixed with a fresh, more unique take on the franchise. Fanboys tore it down before it ever hit the market, but it's a great game that's immediately identifiable as Devil May Cry and yet new and different at the same time.
So why not reboot Mass Effect? It's just a fictional world made up by people on the spot. Every creative person knows that their works can always be improved upon.

There was nothing wrong with the original trilogy. Sure the endings could have been done better but I haven't heard any bright ideas from the fanbase. The extended cut was all we needed. It's time to leave the past behind. Keep calm and head to Andromeda.
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Aren't those two different universes?

Spectacular Spiderman and Amazing Spiderman?

Or did they mess that up so bad I cant tell the diff now?


Spectacular Spider-Man isn't a movie, and they're not different universes. That implies a multiverse and that all the different Spider-Man film iterations co-exist. The transition from Spider-Man 3 to Amazing Spider-Man was a hard reboot. Same characters, same setting, but new stories, actors and style.
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I have no real problem with a reboot/new story-new character etc. I was more than Ok with ending Shepard's trilogy and start something new in the same fictional universe. My problem is that the past trilogy didn't end in a satisfactory way for me. That means years waiting, hours and hours of gaming for me felt wasted.

But that was something devs should have adressed at the right time. Now is late. Even if it mean for me the old trilogy will never have a good ending from whom I can move on satisfated.

 

I don't care about the new setting, I'm fine either way. Is a new story, and all. Would I have preferred to stay in the Milky way? of course. We didn't even explored half of it in the trilogy, after all. There was still a lot to do and explore. Going to a new galaxy seem a waste to me. But is more my taste and preference.

 

What I'm now worried is: will I be ok with spending hours and money in a new (possibily) trilogy that will leave me unsatisfated at the end? that's my problem. I felt burned by ME3. As curious as I am about Andromeda, I'm not ready to make a new leap of faith. Well, not that there is still much to be interested at the moment...


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They could, but why? I'd prefer them to come up with fresh new franchise. 


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There was nothing wrong with the original trilogy. Sure the endings could have been done better but I haven't heard any bright ideas from the fanbase. The extended cut was all we needed. It's time to leave the past behind. Keep calm and head to Andromeda.

 

Man, I love the original trilogy but there were a lot of problems with it. I wholeheartedly disagree with the common held belief that ME3 was perfect except for the last 10 minutes. Cerberus' role and depiction in ME3 is downright groan inducing and they were all over the game. Not to mention that much of ME3's narrative issues are a result of ME2's lack of a relevant plot.

 

I would welcome a hard reboot. I'd be down to start it all over just so I can see the MW civilizations again. Especially the criminally underdeveloped ones like the Batarians.


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A change of setting is just a change of setting. A hard reboot is like Spider-Man 3 -> Amazing Spider-Man.

 

Then I suppose it's debatable as to how much the change of setting will contribute to Andromeda rebooting Mass Effect overall. We're getting new characters, a new story, presumably new voice acting, and hopefully a blend of old and familiar styles. It will be interesting to see how Andromeda is compared to the original trilogy, and whether it will feel like a reboot or not. With the Spider-Man references though, and I tend to get confused atm whenever Spidey is mentioned, but didn't Amazing Spider-Man effectively render Spider-Man 3 non-canon or something? This won't be the case with Andromeda and the original trilogy would it? 

 

There was nothing wrong with the original trilogy. Sure the endings could have been done better but I haven't heard any bright ideas from the fanbase. The extended cut was all we needed. It's time to leave the past behind. Keep calm and head to Andromeda.

 

I agree. What I find more surprising/vexing is the number of people here who still frequently bash ME3's ending/ME3 in general/the entire trilogy, as if ME3 came out yesterday? And why are they still here on a Mass Effect forum if Mass Effect's a wound that still hasn't scabbed and healed? Clearly there's still enough interest in the original trilogy for there to be any interest in Andromeda? 

 

 

They could, but why? I'd prefer them to come up with fresh new franchise. 

 

I get this. I'm fine with the original trilogy, ending and all. Do we need another Mass Effect title, especially if Andromeda is just going to be a standalone title? It may be a case of righting wrongs or continuing to milk a cash cow, and there is an IP being worked on by Casey Hudson or another BioWare division IIRC?


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Spectacular Spider-Man isn't a movie, and they're not different universes. That implies a multiverse and that all the different Spider-Man film iterations co-exist. The transition from Spider-Man 3 to Amazing Spider-Man was a hard reboot. Same characters, same setting, but new stories, actors and style.


I'm still trying to figure out why we need this many Spider-Men.
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With the Spider-Man references though, and I tend to get confused atm whenever Spidey is mentioned, but didn't Amazing Spider-Man effectively render Spider-Man 3 non-canon or something? This won't be the case with Andromeda and the original trilogy would it? 


To the extent that "canon" is a useful concept when discussing the Spider-Man films, I think the new guy is canon since he's in the crossover product, and both the other guys are out.

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If it would up to me I think it would have been more interesting to do a prequel game and explore some of the history of the Mass Effect Universe. Sure we know some of the basic facts and the outcomes of the events, but I think it would be cool to have a game set during the first contact war, krogan rebellions or the rachni war. Plus, I think it would be fascinating to possibly have the element of no humans and we could see some of the other alien cultures in a more in depth way. 

 

In terms of Andromeda, I guess I am okay with it. Part of me is tentative about it but the other part of me wants more Mass Effect because I love it and am curious to see what they do with it. 


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I get this. I'm fine with the original trilogy, ending and all. Do we need another Mass Effect title, especially if Andromeda is just going to be a standalone title? It may be a case of righting wrongs or continuing to milk a cash cow, and there is an IP being worked on by Casey Hudson or another BioWare division IIRC?

 

Casey Hudson left BioWare to work on Hololens at Microsoft.  You are correct the team that worked on the first three Mass Effect games in Edmonton are working on a new IP that started development about the same time as development started on Andromeda.  That is why studios seem to be always releasing sequels because of the amount of time and money it takes to develop a new IP.  Even look at Dragon Age: Origins I have seen different articles that give a development time of five to six years for the game because they were creating a whole new IP and the first Mass Effect game took five years if I remember correctly.



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I wouldn't mind a reboot... but right now, I really don't want to see another Reaper. Kind of sick of'em.


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I think the biggest problem most people have over the original trilogy is simply the lack of acknowledgment that "yes, they done gone and messed up hard" at the end with it and the fan base did not appreciate it.

 

That being said, depending on what I see with Andromeda, I am willing to give it a chance. I don't think they need to hard reboot what they've already messed up. Just let it go and move on.



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If it means controlling Shep to fight against the Reapers again, I would rather not. I'm tired of the Reapers by this point.

 

I'd be okay with rebooting the Milky Way setting if we got to fight a new enemy, even though at this point we're basically stuck with Andromeda for the next game at least.



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I'm not sure what they'd change in a hard reboot, but I get the feeling that it would essentially be a rehash with a lot of do-over flair, and that means more reapers, but like…different? I dunno, but it just seems like the effort could be better spent on something new entirely than trying to put a big carpet over the original trilogy. I don't think it really worked all that well for Spider-Man either. While 3 was a terrible film, I think the last two are total shite. I'd kill a dozen Gwen Staceys to get it out of Sony's clutches. 


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They could, but why? I'd prefer them to come up with fresh new franchise.


They revealed a tiny bit of a teaser for a brand new IP back in March. It is the last BioWare game that David Gaider helped create. They were wearing a t-shirt with the name of the new IP and no one noticed. :P

http://www.ign.com/a...-no-one-notices

So there you go.

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I'm not sure what they'd change in a hard reboot, but I get the feeling that it would essentially be a rehash with a lot of do-over flair, and that means more reapers, but like…different? I dunno, but it just seems like the effort could be better spent on something new entirely than trying to put a big carpet over the original trilogy. I don't think it really worked all that well for Spider-Man either. While 3 was a terrible film, I think the last two are total shite. I'd kill a dozen Gwen Staceys to get it out of Sony's clutches. 

 

Going to the route of a hard reboot would be that we would be in the same position as starting the first game again.  So we could play Shepard, fight Saren, find a way to thwart the Reapers.  The problem I would have is that my biggest connection with Mass Effect is the characters so if they aren't remotely the same it would be something I wouldn't enjoy and that is why I am looking forward to Andromeda because it is a new cast of characters to learn about.



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A lot of people are severely booty blasted over a simple change of setting to avoid the fallout from ME3, but would a hard reboot be so terrible? Movie franchises do it all the time, and even some game franchises have done it.
Look at DMC. Criminally underrated, but vastly superior to Devil May Cry 4 and essentially the best of the first and third games mixed with a fresh, more unique take on the franchise. Fanboys tore it down before it ever hit the market, but it's a great game that's immediately identifiable as Devil May Cry and yet new and different at the same time.
So why not reboot Mass Effect? It's just a fictional world made up by people on the spot. Every creative person knows that their works can always be improved upon.

 

I feel that Andromeda will have a reboot mood, dunno. Need to play to see.

 

DMC4 is way better than DMC, mainly because DmC killed the franchise's main feature: difficulty, challenge, style. DmC was so easy, and sometimes boring, that I never felt like replaying it in higher difficulties (replayed everything with dmc3 and 4). But that is just personal opinion. The point is, it changed too much, and the fanbase was a lot into the classic style of dmc4, and along with those characters (Emo Dante, Vergil who needs a rifle to kill, and that girl which I cant remember the name), for me, it was kinda meh. Its a good action game, but it doesnt feel like a Devil May Cry.

 

For Mass Effect though, i think its a great idea. Mainly because gives the opportunity to fix that damn narrative that got fucked up at the end of the trilogy. Along with graphical improvements, of course. I still wish Drew could finish his plans with it.


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Going to the route of a hard reboot would be that we would be in the same position as starting the first game again.  So we could play Shepard, fight Saren, find a way to thwart the Reapers.  The problem I would have is that my biggest connection with Mass Effect is the characters so if they aren't remotely the same it would be something I wouldn't enjoy and that is why I am looking forward to Andromeda because it is a new cast of characters to learn about.


That would be a remake, not a reboot. I gave the specific example of DMC to explain what a reboot is.

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I am curious to see what they do with Andromeda, I wouldn't see the harm in a reboot though. A part of me though is just excited that a new ME game is coming out, and like I said I'm curious/excited to see what ME:A brings to the series.


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