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[Killroy]

You have a few options - pick one and you tell me:

 

1) Retell Shepard's story in his time frame from basically the same POV (which is what I would consider to be a remake... although if the game play were changed significantly, it could be a reboot).

2) Retell Shepard's story in his time frame from someone else's POV (this is what I would call a reboot... along with #3 below)

3) Tell a collateral story (i.e. same time frame) within the same setting that Shepard's story takes place.

4) Tell a collateral story in a different location (which is potentially what ME:A already will be and what I might be inclined to call a soft reboot)

5) Tell a story in a different time frame in the same location (which would make it more a prequel or sequel, wouldn't it?)

6) Tell a different story in a different time frame in a different location using cursory references to the Original story (which is most likely what ME:A will turn out to be)

 

Any story told within Shepard's time frame involving the Citadel still runs up against the issue of their being the possibility of the player's of ME Trilogy having selected to either save or kill the council... which really changes (for the time frame of ME2) the government of the "space"... so you'd have to leave out references to government in order to "respect" the choices made by ME Trilogy players.  It's an issue.

 

Why did you write all of that out instead of just saying "Yes, I have no idea what a reboot is."

None of those things is a reboot. 

[AlanC9]

Sometimes the simple existence of a "reboot" kills interest for newbies. They figure that if it was good it wouldn't need to be rebooted.

So... a reboot works when the existing brand equity is negative -- the thing's already considered bad, so there's no positive interest to lose.

[Scarlett]

Why does it need to be a trilogy? BioWare has clearly shown that they can't plan out a trilogy properly. They had no idea what ME2 was going to be before they started developing it, and they didn't even have an ending for ME3 until the last minute.

I liked to play with my Shepard during 3 games, I just hope to be able to live this experience again, that's all. This is why I'm totally fine if they decide to do a new trilogy with MEA ~  I'm also sure they learnt many things with years and that they are totally able to build a long story on many games now. I'm optimistic that's all.

[AlanC9]

Why did you write all of that out instead of just saying "Yes, I have no idea what a reboot is."
None of those things is a reboot.

In fairness, we're being so sloppy with the term "reboot" in the thread that it's not obvious we're talking about the same thing.

Well, you're the OP. Exactly what is a "hard reboot" for purposes of this thread?

[LPPrince]

There's also the view that a reboot completely overwrites what came before, and there would be a lot of people with a problem on that.

[Killroy]

In fairness, we're being so sloppy with the term "reboot" in the thread that it's not obvious we're talking about the same thing.

Well, you're the OP. Exactly what is a "hard reboot" for purposes of this thread?

 

Just keeping the basic tenants and tone, but ditching the rest. A reboot of Mass Effect doesn't need Shepard(who is a boring PC to begin with) or the story structure(or lack thereof) of the trilogy. Even if you were to retell the struggle with the Reapers in a reboot it should be very different, if only to avoid bungling it again.

[Killroy]

There's also the view that a reboot completely overwrites what came before, and there would be a lot of people with a problem on that.

 

Who cares? There are already a lot of people with a lot of problems with Mass Effect. There are the people with problems with the trilogy and people with problems with MEA/changing the setting.

[LPPrince]

So... a reboot works when the existing brand equity is negative -- the thing's already considered bad, so there's no positive interest to lose.

 

There is. I can't speak directly as I don't feel that way, but it more has to do with association to the brand name. I'll exaggerate. Say Mass Effect gets rebooted three times where as Halo never does. To someone who's played neither, they can go both ways-"Halo hasn't changed? Eh, must be boring, I'll go ME" or "Wow, how bad is the ME series that it had to be rebooted? I'll go Halo".

 

Its down to the individual's perspective, and that makes reboots hard to get off the ground. Could be successful, could be a failure. No way to tell.

[LPPrince]

Who cares? There are already a lot of people with a lot of problems with Mass Effect. There are the people with problems with the trilogy and people with problems with MEA/changing the setting.

 

Bioware and EA should care. Every opinion matters when it comes to the masses that will either buy your game or pass it up for something else. An individual opinion may not be much but they add up.

[The Elder King]

Eh, no matter what Bioware would've done after ME3 (sidequel, prequel, reboot, remake, sequel, move in another galaxy, close the franchise, making a MMO, or whatever) there'd have people who would've complained about it. There was no option without critics.

[LPPrince]

Hah, just dawned on me. Speaking of reboots, this forum needs one. It was better and more fun back in the day. Now its a sad shell of what once was. I've got zero issues with this place being redone from the ground up, if not visually at least in how its operated.

[Killroy]

Bioware and EA should care. Every opinion matters when it comes to the masses that will either buy your game or pass it up for something else. An individual opinion may not be much but they add up.

 

Profits matter, not opinions. If they were concerned with consumer opinion they wouldn't have responded to the ending hubbub in the douchiest manner possible("artistic integrity," "we won't change the ending," "we made this DLC that changes the ending, but we didn't change the ending!")

[The Elder King]

Hah, just dawned on me. Speaking of reboots, this forum needs one. It was better and more fun back in the day. Now its a sad shell of what once was. I've got zero issues with this place being redone from the ground up, if not visually at least in how its operated.

I miss the off-topic section.

[Iakus]

Then how's that better than going to Andromeda?

 

If BioWare aren't going to rehash the Reaper/Genophage/Geth plots, then the only thing the reboot has over Andromeda is that it completely invalidates the OT. That's not a positive in my eyes, nor, I'd wager, the eyes of most of the fanbase.

How many threads have their been questioning how going to Andromeda makes any sense?

 

In any case, it doesn't invalidate the original trilogy any more than any fairy tale that begins with "once upon a time" invalidates any other.

[The Elder King]

Profits matter, not opinions. If they were concerned with consumer opinion they wouldn't have responded to the ending hubbub in the douchiest manner possible("artistic integrity," "we won't change the ending," "we made this DLC that changes the ending, but we didn't change the ending!")

They obviously think going in Andromeda is a profitable move. Time will tell if they were right or not.

[The Elder King]

How many threads have their been questioning how going to Andromeda makes any sense?

 

In any case, it doesn't invalidate the original trilogy any more than any fairy tale that begins with "once upon a time" invalidates any other.

It's quite different. The new reboot would be the canon ME. The various fairy tales are all 'canon' (if you can ever use this definition for them).

Not that I'd care about this, but there'll be people who would. As there are people who care and dislike about the move to Andromeda and leaving the Milky Way.

[Killroy]

I miss the off-topic section.

 
I miss when the trolls mostly stayed in the Off-Topic section.
 
 

They obviously think going in Andromeda is a profitable move. Time will tell if they were right or not.

 
When did I say otherwise?

[The Elder King]

 
I miss when the trolls mostly stayed in the Off-Topic section.
 
 

 
When did I say otherwise?

I didn't mean you said otherwise. 

[Killroy]

It's quite different. The new reboot would be the canon ME. The various fairy tales are all 'canon' (if you can ever use this definition for them).
Not that I'd care about this, but there'll be people who would. As there are people who care and dislike about the move to Andromeda and leaving the Milky Way.

Who cares? Why does an arbitrary redefinition of an arbitrary concept(what is and isn't canon) effect your enjoyment of the newly non-canon thing? Are the people who enjoyed the expanded universe Star Wars stuff before Disney invalidated it with their new canon somehow robbed of their enjoyment? Of course not.

[Iakus]

It's quite different. The new reboot would be the canon ME. The various fairy tales are all 'canon' (if you can ever use this definition for them).

Not that I'd care about this, but there'll be people who would. As there are people who care and dislike about the move to Andromeda and leaving the Milky Way.

Supposedly, there is no canon.

[Killroy]

NOTHING will beat the bada$$ness of the original Devil May Cry series!

 

You mean if you forget about second and fourth games? And ignore the fact that Dante was an even bigger tryhard in the third game than in the reboot?

[themikefest]

Supposedly, there is no canon.

There is my canon for my Shepard. If there is a reboot with the same characters, I will have a new canon.

[The Elder King]

Who cares? Why does an arbitrary redefinition of an arbitrary concept(what is and isn't canon) effect your enjoyment of the newly non-canon thing? Are the people who enjoyed the expanded universe Star Wars stuff before Disney invalidated it with their new canon somehow robbed of their enjoyment? Of course not.

I did say that I don't care if they do that. I said others would, as there are people disappointed that Disney invalidated the expanded universe of Star Wars.

Supposedly, there is no canon.

There is a 'canon' Mass effect trilogy. The fact that the story can end in three different ways isn't invalidated by each other ending or the Andromeda move. 

[RoboticWater]

How many threads have their been questioning how going to Andromeda makes any sense?

A few? I don't know. It's not like they matter when we know practically nothing about how we're getting to Andromeda.
 

In any case, it doesn't invalidate the original trilogy any more than any fairy tale that begins with "once upon a time" invalidates any other.

But a reboot wouldn't be a totally new story in a totally new setting with totally new characters. Presumably a reboot would retain the tone, lore framework, and the setting of the original games, so rebooting the franchise would need to overwrite the original continuity.

 

I don't care about what is canon and what isn't, but I'm sure others do. Since going to Andromeda achieves basically the same thing as a reboot while also appeasing those who want the OT to remain canon, I think Andromeda is simply the better deal.

[Iakus]

There is my canon for my Shepard. If there is a reboot with the same characters, I will have a new canon.

And if there is a reboot with different characters?

 

 

 

I did say that I don't care if they do that. I said others would, as there are people disappointed that Disney invalidated the expanded universe of Star Wars.

 

I just checked Amazon.  Heir to the Empire is still in print.

 

 

There is a 'canon' Mass effect trilogy. The fact that the story can end in three different ways isn't invalidated by each other ending or the Andromeda move.

ANd a rebooted game wouldn't erase all copies fo these games

 

 

 

But a reboot wouldn't be a totally new story in a totally new setting with totally new characters. Presumably a reboot would retain the tone, lore framework, and the setting of the original games, so rebooting the franchise would need to overwrite the original continuity.

 

But it could be two out of three:  New story and new characters in the same setting

 

 

I don't care about what is canon and what isn't, but I'm sure others do. Since going to Andromeda achieves basically the same thing as a reboot while also appeasing those who want the OT to remain canon, I think Andromeda is simply the better deal.

No matter what it does to the setting or the lore?