That wouldn't explain sticking around after this perceived "betrayal" to the tune of X forum posts and such.
The same reason Luke Skywalker turned himself in to the Empire in Return of the Jedi?
The (perhaps foolish) hope that Vader Bioware can be turned back from the Dark Side?
It's no exaggeration that this used to be one of my favorite developers, who's name on the box alone could convince me to purchase a new copy of a game.
Beggars the question of why you guys even bothered in the first place? Did the cover art just lead you on or something?
First, where did I ever say I hate or dislike the ME trilogy? 
Having a lot of problems (in three games. If the same aumont of problems were to be find in one, for me the situation would be different) with the trilogy doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. A person can like one thing while criticizing it. You assumed I don't like ME just because I said there are problems?
Also, while it isn't my case. A lot of people might've loved the first/second game and gradually come to have more problems as the series progressed.
Edit :So far, there wasn't one Bioware game (or games in general) I played, even the ones I rate the most, that I couldn't find something I didn't enjoy. It's normal, in my opinion to not find everything in one game to your liking. That doesn't mean I don't like them
The same reason Luke Skywalker turned himself in to the Empire in Return of the Jedi?
The (perhaps foolish) hope that
VaderBioware can be turned back from the Dark Side?
It's no exaggeration that this used to be one of my favorite developers, who's name on the box alone could convince me to purchase a new copy of a game.
^I'm not sure comparing Bioware to genocidal Sith Lords is likely to produce a sympathetic ear. I also think trying to frame this in the context of Bioware choosing between "right" and "wrong" might be a touch melodramatic.
^I'm not sure comparing Bioware to genocidal Sith Lords is likely to produce a sympathetic ear.
It's probably more about the general idea than a direct comparison...
It's probably more about the general idea than a direct comparison...
I don't think the general idea is going to get a nuanced conversation going either, in this particular instance.
Well I was thinking more along the lines that not everyone regards the ending as an abomination, and if you have trouble with that notion then that's really your problem and not anyone elses.
The same reason Luke Skywalker turned himself in to the Empire in Return of the Jedi?
The (perhaps foolish) hope that
VaderBioware can be turned back from the Dark Side?
It's no exaggeration that this used to be one of my favorite developers, who's name on the box alone could convince me to purchase a new copy of a game.
I think it's more a case of you (and others here as well) enjoy keeping Bioware in the box you've set up for them... not giving them any chance at all to even get an attempt off the ground to "turn away from the Dark Side" you've relegated them to in your mind (hence, the continued condemnations of ME:A a year before it's even released).
I don't think the general idea is going to get a nuanced conversation going either, in this particular instance.
Eh, I've been called "entitled whiner" and worse for years now for daring to not liking the direction Mass Effect has gone in. I'm starting to doubt a nuanced conversation was ever in the cards.
At any rate, the point is Bioware was great once. And can be great again. If they could just remember what they were.
I think it's more a case of you enjoy keeping Bioware in the box you've set up for them... not giving them any chance at all to even get an attempt off the ground to "turn away from the Dark Side" you've relegated them to in your mind (hence, the continued condemnations of ME:A a year before it's even released).
Yes, that's it. I would rather watch my favorite developers sink into mediocrity than enjoy a good game by them. You've got me pegged 
Eh, I've been called "entitled whiner" and worse for years now for daring to not liking the direction Mass Effect has gone in. I'm starting to doubt a nuanced conversation was ever in the cards.
At any rate, the point is Bioware was great once. And can be great again. If they could just remember what they were.
Yes, that's it. I would rather watch my favorite developers sink into mediocrity than enjoy a good game by them. You've got me pegged
If you really wanted them to re-earn your trust as your "favorite developers" - you'd express a little more optimism from time to time that ME:A could be that game that rises above the past of ME:T... since we know so little about it yet. But no, you (and others here) are working solely on a bunch of wild assumptions as to how ME:A is going to be "bad" on virtually every front (topic) that's been raised here. You won't even remotely entertain even a notion that, perhaps, a good "Mass Effect" story could be located in another galaxy. You won't give them even just a little lee way to side-step the old endings (so that they can perhaps rise above them in a new way).
If you really wanted them to re-earn your trust as your "favorite developers" - you'd express a little more optimism from time to time that ME:A could be that game that rises above the past of ME:T... since we know so little about it yet. But no, you (and others here) are working solely on a bunch of wild assumptions as to how ME:A is going to be "bad" on virtually every front (topic) that's been raised here. You won't even remotely entertain even a notion that, perhaps, a good "Mass Effect" story could be located in another galaxy. You won't give them even just a little lee way to side-step the old endings (so that they can perhaps rise above them in a new way).
Give me something to work with and I'll try. But all we have is "ANDROMEDA!" and the stalwart insistence that not liking ME3=not getting it.
I tried to put a positive spin on the Andromeda aspect, speculating as to how they could be explained without yet another bizarre deus ex machina. But there's simply not enough evidence that they are going to do anything substantively different.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how descending upon another galaxy because Bioware broke the old one, jump jets, a new Mako, yet more MP, and Johnny Cash is any reason to be optimistic.
Show me how this continues the setting without bringing along ME3's baggage (NOT an easy task) and I will consider changing my position
Give me something to work with and I'll try. But all we have is "ANDROMEDA!" and the stalwart insistence that not liking ME3=not getting it.
I tried to put a positive spin on the Andromeda aspect, speculating as to how they could be explained without yet another bizarre deus ex machina. But there's simply not enough evidence that they are going to do anything substantively different.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how descending upon another galaxy because Bioware broke the old one, jump jets, a new Mako, yet more MP, and Johnny Cash is any reason to be optimistic.
Show me how this continues the setting without bringing along ME3's baggage (NOT an easy task) and I will consider changing my position
How about just backing off a little to a "let's wait and see what Bioware actually does with a new story in a new galaxy to make it a "Mass Effect" story" approach?... given that a "reboot" of a franchise is something that is not supposed to be "unnecessarily constrained" to the original... and you've now acknowledged that the definition of a "reboot" includes a fairly wide variance in interpretation (and in practice given the different ways other franchises have been rebooted in the past). E3 is now approaching... we'll probably get more info to go on then.
If you really wanted them to re-earn your trust as your "favorite developers" - you'd express a little more optimism from time to time that ME:A could be that game that rises above the past of ME:T...
How about just backing off a little to a "let's wait and see what Bioware actually does with a new story in a new galaxy to make it a "Mass Effect" story" approach?...
It seems to me that expressing optimism and developing expectations are both good ways to become disappointed, in particular in regards to Bioware games. (at least that was the trend for me since DA2, every release was disappointing in a different way)
All there is now is to wait and see, without expectations. Who knows, I could even be positively surprised, I doubt it, but stranger things happened before.
I don't think anyone is truly condemning ME:A at this point, it's more that the starting point for it is less than perfect, mostly due to the previous mess.
How about just backing off a little to a "let's wait and see what Bioware actually does with a new story in a new galaxy to make it a "Mass Effect" story" approach?... given that a "reboot" of a franchise is something that is not supposed to be "unnecessarily constrained" to the original... and you've now acknowledged that the definition of a "reboot" includes a fairly wide variance in interpretation (and in practice given the different ways other franchises have been rebooted in the past). E3 is now approaching... we'll probably get more info to go on then.
I'll be optimistic when I've got something to be optimistic about.
But so far I've seen no explanation for why this is even called "Mass Effect"
If E3 does give more information that actually gives me something to hope for, I will modify my position then.
But so far I've got:
1) We're in a new galaxy, don't ask how, why, or when.
2) We've got guns, Makos, omniblades, and a jump pack.
3) N7 WOOOOO!!!
Not much to be enthusiastic about.
It seems to me that expressing optimism and developing expectations are both good ways to become disappointed, in particular in regards to Bioware games. (at least that was the trend for me since DA2, every release was disappointing in a different way)
All there is now is to wait and see, without expectations. Who knows, I could even be positively surprised, I doubt it, but stranger things happened before.
I don't think anyone is truly condemning ME:A at this point, it's more that the starting point for it is less than perfect, mostly due to the previous mess.
Hey, I'm perfectly OK with "wait and see without expectations"... but what keeps cropping up here is "wait and see with negative expectations."... even you couldn't resist throwing in the "I doubt it" and relegating the possibility of ME:A being OK to "stranger things happened before." I agree, too much optimism can lead to disappointment. However, too much negative expectation just leads to pre-conceived disappointment... i.e. convincing yourself ahead of time that you're only going to be disappointed regardless.
On here, at times, the expression of all these negative expectations gets so strong, it seems more like a grudge and leads me to wonder who they really are and when it was that Bioware might have fired them.
I'll be optimistic when I've got something to be optimistic about.
But so far I've seen no explanation for why this is even called "Mass Effect"
If E3 does give more information that actually gives me something to hope for, I will modify my position then.
But so far I've got:
1) We're in a new galaxy, don't ask how, why, or when.
2) We've got guns, Makos, omniblades, and a jump pack.
3) N7 WOOOOO!!!
Not much to be enthusiastic about.
Anticipation of exploration is about the UNKNOWN... and we have a lot of unknown... that is, there is a lot left to discover. If we knew everything ahead of time... there would be nothing left to explore.
If you really wanted them to re-earn your trust as your "favorite developers" - you'd express a little more optimism from time to time that ME:A could be that game that rises above the past of ME:T... since we know so little about it yet. But no, you (and others here) are working solely on a bunch of wild assumptions as to how ME:A is going to be "bad" on virtually every front (topic) that's been raised here. You won't even remotely entertain even a notion that, perhaps, a good "Mass Effect" story could be located in another galaxy. You won't give them even just a little lee way to side-step the old endings (so that they can perhaps rise above them in a new way).
Anticipation of exploration is about the UNKNOWN... and we have a lot of unknown... that is, there is a lot left to discover. If we knew everything ahead of time... there would be nothing left to explore.
The unknown is neither a good nor bad thing. ME3's endings were unknown, for example. 99% of the Milky Way as unknown.
Since "the unknown" in Mass Effect in recent years has typically equaled a (figurative, since people seem to take such things too literally) groin kick. I'll need something else to make me squee.
Hey, I'm perfectly OK with "wait and see without expectations"... but what keeps cropping up here is "wait and see with negative expectations."... even you couldn't resist throwing in the "I doubt it" and relegating the possibility of ME:A being OK to "stranger things happened before." I agree, too much optimism can lead to disappointment. However, too much negative expectation just leads to pre-conceived disappointment... i.e. convincing yourself ahead of time that you're only going to be disappointed regardless.
On here, at times, the expression of all these negative expectations gets so strong, it seems more like a grudge and leads me to wonder who they really are and when it was that Bioware might have fired them.
I tried "wait and see with positive expectations" with both ME3 and EC. And with pretty moderate expectations if I do say so myself. Still crushing disappointment.
So, yeah, fool me once...
That makes ZERO sense. I'm optimistic about MEA and I know that you make no sense. Forum users being optimistic has no impact on the quality of the game. To suggest that a positive attitude from Iakus would lead to a better game is just childishly silly.
I think the point being made here is that Iakus claims that he's giving BioWare a chance to "redeem themselves," yet maintains an overtly negative position towards nearly everything we've been shown about ME:A. Like I said earlier, there's a difference between caution and deliberately trying to poke holes. In this case, a little more positivity may actually make ME:A a better game, if only in Iakus' eyes.
I tried "wait and see with positive expectations" with both ME3 and EC. And with pretty moderate expectations if I do say so myself. Still crushing disappointment.
So, yeah, fool me once...
Not to go off-topic but were you (or in general anyone) expecting a serious change from the original endings in the EC?
Not to go off-topic but were you (or in general anyone) expecting a serious change from the original endings in the EC?
Not to go off-topic but were you (or in general anyone) expecting a serious change from the original endings in the EC?
I was hoping for a couple of specific retcons (which tweets suggested could happen) and for "clarity and closure" to smooth out some of the more problematic aspects of the endings. But sadly those were, if anything, made worse.
I was hoping for a couple of specific retcons (which tweets suggested could happen) and for "clarity and closure" to smooth out some of the more problematic aspects of the endings. But sadly those were, if anything, made worse.
Understood. Which retcons tweets suggested that could happen?
Beggars the question of why you guys even bothered in the first place? Did the cover art just lead you on or something?
It was the allure of the first game, which appeared to present me with a rather grounded SF story, at least by video game standards. ME2 damaged that with its visual style, unpleasant thematic messages and some lore problems, but the sh*t really hit the fan only with ME3, where the story lost all thematic cohesion and common sense, science and lore were all sacrificed for cheap drama and pseudo-religious BS. The first game made promises that the last game betrayed. That's what I wrote in my extensive review from 2013, and I still hold to it.
Why am I still here, you may ask? The answer is simple: curiosity. I do want another SF rp game, so I'm basically still interested, but I won't buy MEA unless and before I know about the storytelling style, the way certain themes are presented and the ending.
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