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[KaiserShep]

The vast majority of urban life we encounter in ME was always on a space station anyway, so what's the difference? We get some Illium, but whatever, but we can always have stacks of prefabs, like Benning. 

[AlanC9]

Well ok, so basically you like ME well enough, but it's not your favorite?

Yes, except that I'm not sure I can be said to have an actually-existing RL favorite. Enough games are close enough to the top for me to cycle between them depending on how I feel that day. ME's got plenty of flaws, but so does every other game ever.

[Seraphim24]

Yes, except that I'm not sure I can be said to have an actually-existing RL favorite. Enough games are close enough to the top for me to cycle between them depending on how I feel that day. ME's got plenty of flaws, but so does every other game ever.

 

Hm, I imagine there may be something that could please your every wish, perhaps it just hasn't been found yet?

[AlanC9]

If it's going to go through this much trouble, then I could have just used a different setting. It's a lot of jumping through hoops just to get me back where I was.

It's not like it's trouble for them to get there. It's just the way the situation will play out. If colonizing Andromeda succeeds, there will be cities. When we get a game set in that timeframe, though... beats me.

Anyway, I'm still betting that our PC won't be born in Andromeda, though I wouldn't put too much money on it.

[Seraphim24]

Maybe with the whole "Andromeda" thing they should head to Space Ancient Greece and it should revolve around scantily clad damselled man and women, chained to space rocks awaiting rescue from space Leviathans by valiant space princes and princesses!

 

Hrm? No one? Anyone?

[AlanC9]

Hm, I imagine there may be something that could please your every wish, perhaps it just hasn't been found yet?

Well, I do keep playing new stuff. And old stuff I never got to; it's either FO:NV or Alpha Protocol next. So, we'll see.

[Seraphim24]

Well, I do keep playing new stuff. And old stuff I never got to; it's either FO:NV or Alpha Protocol next. So, we'll see.

 

Good luck with NV or AP filling that void... they're fine and all, good even, but I don't think they were as fun as ME, personally.

 

Well that's not true AP was better than ME2, NV was about on par with it.

 

Eh erase that earlier comment, Alpha Protocol was really quite good certainly underrated. ME is just such a mega thing at times.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe with the whole "Andromeda" thing they should head to Space Ancient Greece and it should revolve around scantily clad damselled man and women, chained to space rocks awaiting rescue from space Leviathans by valiant space princes and princesses!

 

Hrm? No one? Anyone?

 

 

Why not modern Space Greece? We could play a Volus fighting to save its economy. 

[straykat]

It also doesn't explain why their societies would break down like that... at this stage.

 

After ALL THIS... freaking traversing intergalatic distances after the literal apocalypse... At the very least, there'd be a stronger sense of unity to pull through together and have some teamwork. At best, they might even have a sense of manifest destiny.

 

But to break down to smuggling rings, addicts, and racist gangs? That's complete social breakdown. Earth was a shithole for Shep. But that's what was fun to roleplay with. Why would Andromeda sink to that stage? And if they do, they better have a good story for it. Which they wouldn't. They're not that good.

[Seraphim24]

Why not modern Space Greece? We could play a Volus fighting to save its economy. 

 

I think sexier images sell, can you imagine? Ashley in her undergarments lashed to a rock lava filled Mars like plane, awaiting certain death by Thresher Maw, only to have Shepard Antonious Publius come to her daring rescue!

 

Someone needs to do a mock up of the Prince of Persia cover with ME to be honest.

[straykat]

I would happily play a Princess of Mars type of game. There's a charm to that.

 

But it isn't here.

[KaiserShep]

It also doesn't explain why their societies would break down like that... at this stage.

 

After ALL THIS... freaking traversing intergalatic distances after the literal apocalypse... At the very least, there'd be a stronger sense of unity to pull through together and have some teamwork. At best, they might even have a sense of manifest destiny.

 

But to break down to smuggling rings, addicts, and racist gangs? That's complete social breakdown. Earth was a shithole for Shep. But that's what was fun to roleplay with. Why would Andromeda sink to that stage? And if they do, they better have a good story for it. Which they wouldn't. They're not that good.

 

 

I'd say that these are the inevitabilities of all civilizations.

[straykat]

I'd say that these are the inevitabilities of all civilizations.

 

It starts looking stupid if humanity has already been in Andromeda this long... to have built (or at least settled) giant urban areas and deteroriated on this level.

 

I thought this game was about establishing a foothold first. And it's gonna be bland.

[Seraphim24]

I would happily play a Princess of Mars type of game. There's a charm to that.

 

But it isn't here.

 

Are you sure? This is a reboot opportunity after all.

 

 

It's calling to you Straykat!

 

 

 

I'd say that these are the inevitabilities of all civilizations.

 

I'd say they aren't.

[KaiserShep]

It starts looking stupid if humanity has already been in Andromeda this long... to have built (or at least settled) giant urban areas and deteroriated on this level.

 

I thought this game was about establishing a foothold first. And it's gonna be bland.

 

 

 

i'm not sure what people expect, but simply establishing a foothold just sounds like Sim Colony, where we just set up major camps on various planets and expand our presence. For sake of giving us something to do (as in something to shoot at), obviously there's going to be some sort of bad element to deal with. I'd rather it be actual people with their own simpler motivations than have everything we're popping tungsten caps into be minions of some ancient evil or something. 

 

I wouldn't equate the presence of gangs and smuggling rings with the "deterioration" of society either. Even in the most advanced cities there's going to be criminals, because there's always going to be people who are motivated to break rules to get what they want or provide something that's forbidden. Always. It'll be true for civilization on earth until our sun dies and we die along with it. 

[straykat]

 

i'm not sure what people expect, but simply establishing a foothold just sounds like Sim Colony, where we just set up major camps on various planets and expand our presence. For sake of giving us something to do (as in something to shoot at), obviously there's going to be some sort of bad element to deal with. I'd rather it be actual people with their own simpler motivations than have everything we're popping tungsten caps into be minions of some ancient evil or something. 

 

I'm not whining. I'm being matter of fact. That's the gist of the features I've gathered. Finding avenues for colonization, the Remnants, and being some military like expedition. It sounds bland. More GI Joe mixed with some science-y stuff.. and ancient artifacts. It lacks whatever an Earthborn would know as "humanity". It's all business.

[Seraphim24]

 

 

I wouldn't equate the presence of gangs and smuggling rings with the "deterioration" of society either. Even in the most advanced cities there's going to be criminals, because there's always going to be people who are motivated to break rules to get what they want or provide something that's forbidden. Always. It'll be true for civilization on earth until our sun dies and we die along with it. 

 

That's actually likely mostly or possibly all false. Records from civilizations such as the Minoans or the Jomons show virtually no sign of conflict or warfare, it's entirely conceivable that such activity was practically non-existent.

 

GREECE ON THE OTHER HAND.

 

Also I'm changing avatar jeez she looks good in that picture!

 

I'm actually fairly convinced that the concept of "civilization at war" is fairly oxymoron, the concept of civilization being the agreement to absent conflict.

 

Perhaps you could say there are permutations on the theme, yes more or less "civilized" but all would be at it's heart such a concept.

[straykat]

You've never met gangs if you don't think it's a deterioration. It's hopeless. They all want families.. that's the real motivation behind all of it. It's kind of pathetic actually... the whole "brotherhood" thing.

[Ieldra]

We disagree on a lot of things, but I think you really get why I'm so p*ssed

I get why you *were* pissed, but not why you still are. It's been four years. it's a long time to hold a grudge over something like a video game.

[Ieldra]

If it's going to go through this much trouble, then I could have just used a different setting. It's a lot of jumping through hoops just to get me back where I was.

Like what? There are reasons why people cluster in cities, and they won't go away just because you're in another galaxy.

[Seraphim24]

I get why you *were* pissed, but not why you still are. It's been four years. it's a long time to hold a grudge over something like a video game.

 

Precisely.. it's great in a way that people still buy the games and give that kind of support, to be honest it's quite great for that reason.

 

But I would think most people would assume that reflects some degree of actual appreciation and enjoyment, and is not strictly an act of masochism.

 

Although to be entirely clear, I suppose, some might not even object to that act.

 

I can imagine certain venom that might start to call into question whether someone is really a "fan" in any meaningful sense of the word though, despite again, the value of their contribution in a monetary sense.

[Seraphim24]

Anyway, I don't think there is any question that "Andromeda" is a reboot, it's a new galaxy, new whatever, new this, new that. My sense is it'll be a kind of same sort of experience like TFA or something was to the original Star Wars, etc.

 

Personally, one concern I have, is that, such an experience tends to go over unevenly, some people being attached to the original franchises and such. Obviously, it's Bioware's volleyball to spike or whatever they wish in that sense, but that kind of "Cataclysm" (such as with WoW) is very much something that can go strongly in any direction.

 

In many ways, as people have alluded, most people are still already quite overwhelmed or otherwise sort of struggling to grasp ME as it is, a reboot in that sense is sort of jumping the gun in that respect, the current world is already quite unexplored and many unanswered questions.

 

But I mean, as I say, it's their ball, it could be received well and sell a lot, I suppose, theoretically, one way or another I imagine it will be insanely polished and have tons of bells and whistles, but to be a great game? Hm, I don't know.

[Spacepunk01]

I don't think they should do a hard reboot of the franchise. We know that most people love the Mass Effect trilogy (except for the final conclusion in ME3).

 

The original trilogy set the stage for what Mass Effect is today. The style, music, design, atmosphere, characters and lore. This is why we fell in love with the Universe in the first place. Removing the original trilogy from canon and starting from scratch is not an appealing idea. That would be depressing to say the least. BioWare don't even need to acknowledge the original trilogy, since we're going to Andromeda anyway. This is a soft reboot and that is all we need. 

 

Give the Milky Way some time to cool down and maybe bring us back there when the dust has settled. I don't know how they would go about doing that, but it probably has to involve them choosing a canon ending. Then again, we never really have to go back to the MWG and BioWare could just leave us in the dark about what exactly transpired. They could release a million Mass Effect games, each game exploring 100 exciting new planets, and we still wouldn't even be close to having explored the staggering number of potential star systems in the Andromeda Galaxy. This was also true for the Milky Way by the way. We hadn't even explored 1% of the star systems in the MWG before they moved us to Andromeda (sad fact). The point is that we never really have to visit another galaxy ever again.

 

Let's hope BioWare stays put this time. Let's hope they avoid the temptation of creating an enemy that really can't be defeated. There has to be a rational solution to the challenges and problems that faces the protagonist. We don't want to rely on magical solutions to solve impossible challenges.

[Seraphim24]

I don't think they should do a hard reboot of the franchise. We know that most people love the Mass Effect trilogy (except for the final conclusion in ME3).

 

The original trilogy set the stage for what Mass Effect is today. The style, music, design, atmosphere, characters and lore. This is why we fell in love with the Universe in the first place. Removing the original trilogy from canon and starting from scratch is not an appealing idea. That would be depressing to say the least. BioWare don't even need to acknowledge the original trilogy, since we're going to Andromeda anyway. This is a soft reboot and that is all we need. 

 

Give the milky way some time to cool down and maybe bring us back there when the dust has settled. I don't know how they would go about doing that, but it probably has to involve them choosing a canon ending. Then again, we never really have to go back to the MWG and BioWare could just leave us in the dark about what exactly transpired. They could release a million Mass Effect games, each game exploring 100 exciting new planets every time, and we wouldn't even be close to having explored the staggering number of potential star systems in the Andromeda Galaxy. This was also true for the Milky Way by the way. We hadn't even explored 1% of the star systems in the MWG before they moved us to Andromeda (sad fact). The point is that we never really have to visit another galaxy ever again.

 

Let's hope BioWare stays put this time. Let's hope they avoid the temptation of creating an enemy that really can't be defeated. There has to be a rational solution to the challenges and problems that face the protagonis. We don't want to rely on magical solutions to solve impossible challenges.

 

Well as stated, believe it's pretty much too late for that. But who knows, maybe their idea will be a good one anyway.

[tehturian]

I'm not whining. I'm being matter of fact. That's the gist of the features I've gathered. Finding avenues for colonization, the Remnants, and being some military like expedition. It sounds bland. More GI Joe mixed with some science-y stuff.. and ancient artifacts. It lacks whatever an Earthborn would know as "humanity". It's all business.

This is a good point. One of the foremost appealing features of the Mass Effect games was that Bioware had created a deep and most importantly working galactic society. From what we've heard about Andromeda that will be gone. We won't have places like Illium, Omega or the Citadel each with their own unique culture. The galaxy will be a blank canvas to be colonised by a bland, homogeneous Pathfinder force. 

 

Civilizations and their variety were the most interesting part of ME and that looks it'll be taking a back seat in Andromeda.