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[Sartoz]

Some people with good tastes believe that anything coming out after that game, as things appear to be now, is a complete waste of time.

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LOL

Then, the easy solution for people of good tastes is to go elsewhere. Maybe even cry because the good taste people can't seem to understand the meaning of a trilogy.

 

It's the equivalent of the good taste people of loving a trilogy of Wyatt Earp in the Old West town of Tombstone whose last book ended badly for Earp (he died). Then the author decides to write about Bat Masterson in the Old West but the good taste people are up in arms because the story is not set in Tombstone or that Earp is not around.

 

Oh, well. A variety of opinions seems to be an opium. Isn't it exciting?

[Commander Rpg]

LOL

Then, the easy solution for people of good tastes is to go elsewhere.

I'm always elsewhere, I come here once in a while to remember other people their stupid stubborness. Good taste and good judgement aren't opinions though.

[AlanC9]

Andromeda isn't a reboot, it's a spinoff a la Stargate Atlantis and Star Trek Voyager. Some spin offs are good, but they rarely surpass the original series in terms of general popularity. We'll see how this one does. I hope it's good (ST:TNG and not Stargate Universe).

I"d personally prefer to keep the original characters in the original setting with either a reimagining of the story (Battlestar Galactica reboot) or a sequel. Mostly it's because I'm very attached to the squaddies and have a hard time believing I will like a PC VA as well as I like Jen Hale. (So far I haven't really liked Hawke and the Inquisitor. The VAs do a good job but I don't care about their characters the same way as I do Shepard.) I'm open to moving on if Andromeda is great, however.

SGU and the BSG reboot were actually kind of similar; both of them looked like they were for people who maybe liked the original series OK, but didn't respect it. (The difference is that BSG picked up the "this is quality TV" buzz and audience, while SGU did not.) What would such an approach mean for ME?

Note that the BSG reboot reimagined the characters too, which isn't what you want.

[Iakus]

I think the main thing that made more people care more about Shep is the fact that we're with him/her for 3 full games. In the Dragon Age universe at this point we already know that after one game, that's it for that protagonist being the PC. I'm likely never going to get to play my Warden, Hawke, or Inquisitor again.

 

In fact that's the case for me for all the characters. I'm more attached to characters like Kasumi, Tali, and Garrus than I am to Alistair and Varric who are my favourites of the Dragon Age games.

 

Although I think ME3 ending kind of made too much of a change in the milky way galaxy for us to really be able to go back unless it's either the hard reboot that the OP is asking for or they literally make our choices irrelevant and just pick one to be the canon and go with that.

DA also has not (yet) railroaded the protagonist to commit a horrific act with Thedas-wide ramifications that frankly wrecked the setting fro them.  

 

I'm sure if it ever got to that point, DA will be up the same creek Mass Effect is now.

 

Edit:  As for a reboot?  Yes, please.  I'd really, really like to see ME3 (at least) rendered non-canon.

[Spectr61]

Know anything about branding, and maintaining continuity within the brand in order to fo$$ter loyalty?

Think of fiasco's like Coke>New Coke.

Hard re-boot could work, if done correctly.

Starting with an honest admission from the studio as to why a re-boot is required at all.

[Cyonan]

DA also has not (yet) railroaded the protagonist to commit a horrific act with Thedas-wide ramifications that frankly wrecked the setting fro them.  

 

I'm sure if it ever got to that point, DA will be up the same creek Mass Effect is now.

 

Edit:  As for a reboot?  Yes, please.  I'd really, really like to see ME3 (at least) rendered non-canon.

 

I would like to think that after ME3 BioWare will be smart enough not to mess up Thedas that badly.

 

but I suppose you never know. It could happen.

[Shinobu]

I think the main thing that made more people care more about Shep is the fact that we're with him/her for 3 full games. In the Dragon Age universe at this point we already know that after one game, that's it for that protagonist being the PC. I'm likely never going to get to play my Warden, Hawke, or Inquisitor again.

 

In fact that's the case for me for all the characters. I'm more attached to characters like Kasumi, Tali, and Garrus than I am to Alistair and Varric who are my favourites of the Dragon Age games.

 

Although I think ME3 ending kind of made too much of a change in the milky way galaxy for us to really be able to go back unless it's either the hard reboot that the OP is asking for or they literally make our choices irrelevant and just pick one to be the canon and go with that.

 

That is true. Having 3 games to get attached to Shepard and the squadmates was very important. I hated Hawke though, and probably wouldn't have enjoyed another game featuring her. In DAI I wasn't really interested in talking with her and couldn't get rid of her fast enough. Also, I'm not a huge fan of the DA cameos. I never liked Varric, Oghren, Cullen or Isabella that much, so didn't care when they showed up in subsequent games (and my Lavellan even romanced Cullen!). I do enjoy Flemeth and Morrigan, but it's very awkward to have the same NPCs introduced to the PC every game.

 

Bioware seems to think that popular characters like Alistair and Garrus are popular because of their own merits, while I think they are popular mostly in the context of their relationships with the Warden and Shepard. Every DA game, the main thing people talk about in reference to Alistair's cameo is if he mentions the Warden. Nobody clamors to have him as a companion to the new protagonist as they might if they liked him for himself. If Garrus were to show up in Andromeda without Shepard (which he won't, thank goodness), the forum would explode.

 

I'm one of the weirdos that would like an AU sequel for each ending of ME3, though I know it's never going to happen. People complain that their choices don't matter. Well, having four different sequels with vastly different starting points (Destroy is post-apocalyptic, Control is dystopian, Synthesis is just weird) would show just how different those choices are. Although I prefer one ending, I'd certainly play games based the others, especially if the huge cast of supporting squaddies were divvied up between the games. For example, Miranda is a squaddie in ME:Control, but only has a cameo in Destroy. EDI obviously doesn't even show up in Destroy, but is a squaddie in Synthesis. Shepard's death would likely have to be retconned unless we played as the VS instead (possible death also retconned). Yeah, I realize it smacks of fanfiction.

[Shinobu]

DA also has not (yet) railroaded the protagonist to commit a horrific act with Thedas-wide ramifications that frankly wrecked the setting fro them.  

 

 

Uh, that's pretty much what the DAII ending was for me (Chantry explodes, Mage/Templar conflict no matter what). It got a soft reboot with DAI, though.

[Cyonan]

That is true. Having 3 games to get attached to Shepard and the squadmates was very important. I hated Hawke though, and probably wouldn't have enjoyed another game featuring her. In DAI I wasn't really interested in talking with her and couldn't get rid of her fast enough. Also, I'm not a huge fan of the DA cameos. I never liked Varric, Oghren, Cullen or Isabella that much, so didn't care when they showed up in subsequent games (and my Lavellan even romanced Cullen!). I do enjoy Flemeth and Morrigan, but it's very awkward to have the same NPCs introduced to the PC every game.

 

Bioware seems to think that popular characters like Alistair and Garrus are popular because of their own merits, while I think they are popular mostly in the context of their relationships with the Warden and Shepard. Every DA game, the main thing people talk about in reference to Alistair's cameo is if he mentions the Warden. Nobody clamors to have him as a companion to the new protagonist as they might if they liked him for himself. If Garrus were to show up in Andromeda without Shepard (which he won't, thank goodness), the forum would explode.

 

I'm one of the weirdos that would like an AU sequel for each ending of ME3, though I know it's never going to happen. People complain that their choices don't matter. Well, having four different sequels with vastly different starting points (Destroy is post-apocalyptic, Control is dystopian, Synthesis is just weird) would show just how different those choices are. Although I prefer one ending, I'd certainly play games based the others, especially if the huge cast of supporting squaddies were divvied up between the games. For example, Miranda is a squaddie in ME:Control, but only has a cameo in Destroy. EDI obviously doesn't even show up in Destroy, but is a squaddie in Synthesis. Shepard's death would likely have to be retconned unless we played as the VS instead (possible death also retconned). Yeah, I realize it smacks of fanfiction.

 

I think in general in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age old characters make appearances just because a large portion of the fanbase wants to see them again, even though the cameos don't always make a lot of sense and are basically there for little reason beyond giving the character an appearance in the story.

 

Although I do tend to like the more sarcastic and light hearted characters, so I imagine I would still like Alistair even without ties to the Warden. I'd also say part of it is a desire to see the Warden and Shep again because they were "our characters". I mean, we already have people asking for Shep to make a return in some form in ME:A.

 

It would be interesting to see all the different paths of the ending even though it wouldn't happen, for resource reasons if nothing else.

[Bizantura]

Why indeed care about a "reboot"?  It happens so much the belief is everyone has have to become used to it by now.

 

Maybe because the western world has become so enamored with "disjointment" we have lost culture and about everything else of importance.

People without any roots can be made to belief anything, but then again I am not 20 and an old fool clinging to yesteryear.

[Killroy]

Why indeed care about a "reboot"?  It happens so much the belief is everyone has have to become used to it by now.
 
Maybe because the western world has become so enamored with "disjointment" we have lost culture and about everything else of importance.
People without any roots can be made to belief anything, but then again I am not 20 and an old fool clinging to yesteryear.

He honest. How high are you?

[Iakus]

Uh, that's pretty much what the DAII ending was for me (Chantry explodes, Mage/Templar conflict no matter what). It got a soft reboot with DAI, though.

The act did get railroaded, but it was Anders who did it, not Hawke.

[Wulfram]

I think its too soon for a reboot. Reboots only work for me if the setting has been dormant for a good while.

Going straight to reboot would just tell me that the company wants to milk the brand but doesn't care about the setting and characters.

[DeathScepter]

DA also has not (yet) railroaded the protagonist to commit a horrific act with Thedas-wide ramifications that frankly wrecked the setting fro them.  

 

I'm sure if it ever got to that point, DA will be up the same creek Mass Effect is now.

 

Edit:  As for a reboot?  Yes, please.  I'd really, really like to see ME3 (at least) rendered non-canon.

 

 

yeah about the ME3 rendered non-canon and some elements of it can be considered to be good. but as a whole, you are right.

[Iakus]

I would like to think that after ME3 BioWare will be smart enough not to mess up Thedas that badly.

 

but I suppose you never know. It could happen.

You'd think.

 

But given their line seems to be "the audience was just too dumb to appreciate it" (stated far more nicely of course) It's entirely possible it could happen again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It makes a lot of sense, although the Mass Effect-series will have to go back to our own galaxy sooner or later, they can't stay in Andromeda forever.

Yep. Gravity is seeing to that. It may take a few billion years, but Mass Effect will be brought back into the Milky Way.

[Prince Enigmatic]

I'm not sure if what we're getting is a reboot, and I agree it would be too soon. And arguably reboots don't often work.

 

The only I can think of, and one I personally think works, is the rebooted Planet of the Apes. 

 

Reboots recently like Jurassic World and Star Wars are just siphoning nostalgia of audiences for cash, at the expense of solid story and sophistication seen in their original counterparts (and I actually liked both films).

 

Reboots can work, but often its a case of trying to make money out of an old franchise, or seeing that what has been done before needs revamping/retconning, and usually ends up just making a mess of things. A la Amazing Spider-Man/ new Spider-Man in Civil War.

[AlanC9]

You might be overrating the SW series a bit there.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Reboots recently like Jurassic World and Star Wars are just siphoning nostalgia of audiences for cash, at the expense of solid story and sophistication seen in their original counterparts (and I actually liked both films).

These aren't reboots though. They are sequels. A reboot would be if the previous films never happened, but both acknowledge the previous films. 

[Sifr]

DMC pretty much shat on their main character so that's a fair comparison. I don't think it would be a bad thing. I'm of the opinion they need to bulldoze the franchise and start over anyway.

 

Expecting the audience to believe irritatingly petulant, Hayden Christensen-esque main character in DMC is worthy to be called Dante is like saying the giant lizard in the '98 film was worthy of the name Godzilla, the horrific version Ryan Reynolds was forced to play in Wolverine: Origins was meant to Deadpool, or giving us comics featuring crazy bearded lunatics who yell "I'm the G*****m Batman!" and "I AM A MAN" and telling us they are seriously meant to depict Batman or Superman.

 

Hard reboots can often fail spectacularly even when the reason for them was to revitalise the franchise. Just look at how poorly Fan4stic did to the point the previous iteration is almost better by comparison! Amazing Spiderman 2 kind of tanked the new series because they failed to learn anything from Spiderman 3 about too many plots and villains, causing them to put the sequel and the planned Sinister 6 movie on ice.

 

Even the hard reboot of the Hulk franchise required them to basically give a soft reboot again when Ruffalo took over from Norton, keeping the continuity but changing Bruce Banner from the serious, brooding, heart-rate watching (can't-have-sex-ever) version that Norton played, to a more quirky, down-to-earth scientist dealing with repressed anger issues that Ruffalo plays.

 

Isn't Andromeda essentially a soft-reboot anyway, since we're moving the action to another galaxy where the previous events no longer apply or will have any bearing on the plot whatsoever?

 

If the game has the ARK leave before end of ME3, they wouldn't even have to pick from establishing a canon Red/Green/Blue/Fail ending either, keeping the player's choices from the previous trilogy open-ended. And if they don't give us a save-import option or ME version of the Keep, then does it really matter if brief mentions of Shepard never bother to define their gender whatsoever, kind of like how it was kept vague in both the comics and the animated "Paragon Lost" film with Vega?

[The Night Haunter]

Yes. Hard Reboots are for established series who expand across many different mediums. Reboots for comics make sense, there are comics, movies, shows, games, that all contribute to a shared IP, but each might have an independent 'universe'. Mass Effect has some comics and books sure, but it is a video game first and foremost. A hard reboot is silly, at that point just make a new IP, it will work better. The move to Andromeda is, in some sense, a 'soft' reboot, which makes sense in the context of ME.

The Trilogy pretty much nullifies any ability to set a game within the next thousand years in the Milky Way, so there are a few choices.

1) Canonize an ending to create a static universe from which ME4 can be launched. BAD IDEA

2) Prequels - Play as a Krogan during the Rachni Wars, a Turian during the Krogan rebellion, a Prothean at the onset of their cycles end. These would work, and I would love to see something like this, but its issues are a forced non-human protagonist, which is a huge cost to sales.

3) Distant future - go so far into the future that ME3s ending is irrelevent. An ok choice, not my preference.

4) Contemporary timeline but different setting - Either some section of the Milky Way that is left out of the Mass Relay Network and is thus isolated from the after effects of ME3, or a different galaxy. 

In my opinion #4 is the best because it can keep all the themes, all the technology, the racial histories and interactions, yet introduce new themes and new races (the native Andromedons) while still maintaining the Mass Effect feel.

[Sartoz]

I'm always elsewhere, I come here once in a while to remember other people their stupid stubborness. Good taste and good judgement aren't opinions though.

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Saying someone has good taste is a subjective opinion.

 

Aesthetic preferences and attendance to various cultural events are associated with education and social origin. Different socioeconomic groups are likely to have different tastes. Social class is one of the prominent factors structuring taste

 

I agree that good judgement is not an opinion.

[AppealToReason]

A lot of people are severely booty blasted over a simple change of setting to avoid the fallout from ME3, but would a hard reboot be so terrible? Movie franchises do it all the time, and even some game franchises have done it.
Look at DMC. Criminally underrated, but vastly superior to Devil May Cry 4 and essentially the best of the first and third games mixed with a fresh, more unique take on the franchise. Fanboys tore it down before it ever hit the market, but it's a great game that's immediately identifiable as Devil May Cry and yet new and different at the same time.
So why not reboot Mass Effect? It's just a fictional world made up by people on the spot. Every creative person knows that their works can always be improved upon.

 

   

[SKAR]

1. Really, they were all three 100 percent perfect? Interesting, because some things did seem to change between them.

2. I'm still gonna say that the reapers finding intelligent species tasty is a better explanation than the yo dawg meme we got.

3. No... and since I can speak for all 7 billion people of the world... it wasn't enough for us, including you... apparently you just don't know it.

4. I wholeheartedly agree... and I'm looking forward to it.

PS: Sorry, if this came off harsh... but everybody's got oppinions and on subjective matters it's not an objective universal truth and ya can't speak for everyone is all.

Well I didn't mean perfect but after the ext cut they appeared a whole lot better.

[straykat]

Hard reboot would be better than whatever this is.

 

It sounds like a similar plot (Remnants), but a weaker premise (Andromeda and "Ryder"). Why go half assed about it? Just reboot.