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[AlanC9]

If you think the current premise is derivative, I don't see what problem a reboot solves.

[DarthLaxian]

There was nothing wrong with the original trilogy. Sure the endings could have been done better but I haven't heard any bright ideas from the fanbase. The extended cut was all we needed. It's time to leave the past behind. Keep calm and head to Andromeda.

 

Well, not only the endings - the third game wasn't very good over all (the gameplay was, but the story (even if you discount the ending(s) - I still say it's only one with damned different colored explosions -.-) is too linear, you feel to disconnected from the actual fight (come on: You don't get to see fleets fight the reapers, you don't get to visit the crucible site etc.), those fetch-missions are ****** stupid, the war-assets-counter is fucked up IMHO and the best ending at first was only available if you played ****** multiplayer (which I've never even touched because I don't play Mass Effect because of that!))

 

@topic:

 

I would love a hard reboot (just like I will probably love MEA - if they do it right, again (!), this time and don't repeat ****** ME3!) because despite the franchise being in my top 5 gaming franchises some stuff could be polished even more, some plot-points further elaborated, some stuff thrown out and some other things could be included and some plotholes fixed (like: Why would Shepard - even more if he/she is full renegade - go back to Earth to be locked up after destroying that Batarian relay? - Sorry, I have a war to prepare for, I am not going to prison, **** you!) etc.)

 

greetings LAX

[straykat]

If you think the current premise is derivative, I don't see what problem a reboot solves.

 

Better symbolism. Especially Shepard. Better premise/legacy it's springing from. The original had a dose of hyper-realism, rather than straight up fantasy or sci-fi. It was building off of the space race idea, what with Gagarin/Shepard/Grissom/etc.. Earth was still an upstart and had attachment to that history. There was just a big "What if" scenario added on that with all the aliens and Reapers. But even that still had a humanizing element to it. The First Contact War still hit a raw nerve.

 

Now they're saying they're building off the spirit of Mass Effect.. but what is that exactly? Abstract game mechanics like "exploration"? The Mako?

[AlanC9]

Hyper-realism? We're still talking about Mass Effect?

Anyway, that's pretty much orthogonal to a reboot. They don't need to reboot to stop throwing in the mystical woo-woo, and rebooting wouldn't make them move away from that stuff if they still like it.

[straykat]

Hyper-realism? We're still talking about Mass Effect?

 

You seem to be emphasizing the "realism" bit.

 

I mean, part of it tracks back to realistic past/realistic legacy. Just the big "What If" stamped on it is the sci-fi.

 

We're a further degree removed in Andromeda. At best, the human legacy it builds off is purely fictional (the Shepard story). If that even matters. Nothing before that doesn't. But I thought this was part of the charm of the original. When they first made it, I thought it was going to be a Kotor ripoff.. but it turned out to not be that at all. It was still a bit down to earth.

[o Ventus]

I'm still trying to figure out why we need this many Spider-Men.

 

Because Sony is desperate to retain the rights to the film license. Same with Fox and Fantastic Four.

[straykat]

Sony has been screwing up a lot of marvel stuff.

 

And it's made Marvel screw up the X-Men, in turn.. as an "F-You" to Sony. edit: Wait, that's Fox, isn't it?

[AlanC9]

You seem to be emphasizing the "realism" bit.
 
I mean, part of it tracks back to realistic past/realistic legacy. Just the big "What If" stamped on it is the sci-fi.
 
We're a further degree removed in Andromeda. At best, the human legacy it builds off is purely fictional (the Shepard story). If that even matters. Nothing before that doesn't. But I thought this was part of the charm of the original. When they first made it, I thought it was going to be a Kotor ripoff.. but it turned out to not be that at all. It was still a bit down to earth.

I'm having trouble following the argument here. How is moving to Andromeda any less down to earth than travelling to the Citadel?

[straykat]

I'm having trouble following the argument here. How is moving to Andromeda any less down to earth than travelling to the Citadel?

 

Are you really having trouble? Or just trying to have trouble?

 

I can't make a better post to illustrate my sense of things. I'm sorry. What's so hard to understand a further degree of separation... in addition to a galaxy being destroyed?

 

Even when traveling to the Citadel, Kaidan was boggled, and Shep and Ash joke about tinfoil skirts.. they're making fun of the overt sci-fi-ness of it.

[o Ventus]

Sony has been screwing up a lot of marvel stuff.

 

And it's made Marvel screw up the X-Men, in turn.. as an "F-You" to Sony. edit: Wait, that's Fox, isn't it?

Yeah, Fox is X-Men (and associated characters), Deadpool, Fantastic Four (and associated characters), and they co-own the rights to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Sony only has Spider-Man. Universal has Namor the Submariner and The Incredible Hulk. Marvel and Disney own everybody else.

[straykat]

Yeah, Fox is X-Men (and associated characters), Deadpool, Fantastic Four (and associated characters), and they co-own the rights to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Sony only has Spider-Man. Universal has Namor the Submariner and The Incredible Hulk. Marvel and Disney own everybody else.

 

Bah.. I give up on Namor no matter who makes it.

 

Such a badass character... that will be ruined when Aqua Man comes out. No one will ever want a character like that again, even though Namor is 10 times cooler. Hell, Jason Mamoa might've made a better Namor too.

[Killroy]

Yeah, Fox is X-Men (and associated characters), Deadpool, Fantastic Four (and associated characters), and they co-own the rights to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Sony only has Spider-Man. Universal has Namor the Submariner and The Incredible Hulk. Marvel and Disney own everybody else.

Marvel/Disney own the Hulk. Universal gave up the right after they bungled the character with their Ang Lee-helmed turd.

[Shinobu]

The act did get railroaded, but it was Anders who did it, not Hawke.

Tomato, tomahto. Hawke was still responsible, IMO.

[o Ventus]

Marvel/Disney own the Hulk. Universal gave up the right after they bungled the character with their Ang Lee-helmed turd.

 

Universal still owns the Hulk, as per Mark Ruffalo. This is why there hasn't been a standalone Hulk movie since The Incredible Hulk (which was distributed by Universal).

[straykat]

If Hulk just stays in Avengers stories, that would suck.

 

The best thing about Hulk is his loneliness... and RAGE.

[KaiserShep]

Tomato, tomahto. Hawke was still responsible, IMO.

 

 

Only if Hawke goes along all the way up to the point where Elthina is being distracted. If Hawke kicked Anders out of the group in Act 2, which I usually do, how is Hawke responsible then? 

[straykat]

Only if Hawke goes along all the way up to the point where Elthina is being distracted. If Hawke kicked Anders out of the group in Act 2, which I usually do, how is Hawke responsible then? 

 

That's what I always do. Anders is such an obvious ******.. I can't go along.

 

That or kick him in Act 2 for killing/nearly killing that girl.

[o Ventus]

If Hulk just stays in Avengers stories, that would suck.

 

The best thing about Hulk is his loneliness... and RAGE.

 

I would be down for a Planet Hulk movie, myself. Hulk Vs. is a pretty awesome movie too, it's 2 different stories, Hulk vs. Thor and Hulk vs. Wolverine. The stories aren't related to each other, but they're pretty cool. Hulk vs. Wolverine is by far the better of the two.

[Killroy]

Universal still owns the Hulk, as per Mark Ruffalo. This is why there hasn't been a standalone Hulk movie since The Incredible Hulk (which was distributed by Universal).

They haven't made another Hulk solo film because the last one underperformed. But the Hulk is in the next Thor movie and people at Disney have been hinting at a Planet Hulk movie for a few years now. No Universal involvement whatsoever because they gave the rights to Marvel Studios. Marvel wouldn't have made The Incredible Hull or included him in their other movies if they'd had to share the profits with Universal. The whole point of doing Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk was using the biggest characters they owned and making enough money to do more movies with other characters.

[straykat]

Planet Hulk was the last Marvel comic series I read. I liked it. It's kind of different for a Hulk story though. But maybe movie audiences wouldn't care.

[Shinobu]

Only if Hawke goes along all the way up to the point where Elthina is being distracted. If Hawke kicked Anders out of the group in Act 2, which I usually do, how is Hawke responsible then?

Ok, not responsible in that case except for not being able to stop the plot in the first place. Frankly I didn't remember being able to kick him since I could only stomach the one playthrough 4 years ago. In any event, I feel Hawke was railroaded into bringing about a crapsack ending whether or not she helped plant the bomb.

[straykat]

Ok, not responsible in that case except for not being able to stop the plot in the first place. Frankly I didn't remember being able to kick him since I could only stomach the one playthrough 4 years ago. In any event, I feel Hawke was railroaded into bringing about a crapsack ending whether or not she helped plant the bomb.

 

Not saying you need to like it (by no means), but you have to adjust your expectations a bit. It is a crappy ending, but you're not supposed to be a big goddamn hero in the first place. DA2 was only about showing various problems. Not solving.

 

And look at what solving things does.. Even that can't be done right. This is DAI. They can't even create a believable problem solver or someone with some context to the issues. You have to be a bum dug out of nowhere, who instantly attains godhood status, so you can declare your opinions on the world, without much challenge or work to it. This isn't better than Hawke either. It might make the player feel powerful, but it makes the world stupid in the process.

[KaiserShep]

Ok, not responsible in that case except for not being able to stop the plot in the first place. Frankly I didn't remember being able to kick him since I could only stomach the one playthrough 4 years ago. In any event, I feel Hawke was railroaded into bringing about a crapsack ending whether or not she helped plant the bomb.

 

 

To be fair, apparently Varric kept Anders out of the Templars' radar. Not sure how he'd even accomplish this, but there it is. 

[myownchris]

I would prefer them to focus on ME:A so it won't be shitty or give us 'TRUE PERFECT GOOD EVERYONE LIVES FAIRYTALE' Ending free DLC 

[Shinobu]

Not saying you need to like it (by no means), but you have to adjust your expectations a bit. It is a crappy ending, but you're not supposed to be a big goddamn hero in the first place. DA2 was only about showing various problems. Not solving.

 

And look at what solving things does.. Even that can't be done right. This is DAI. They can't even create a believable problem solver or someone with some context to the issues. You have to be a bum dug out of nowhere, who instantly attains godhood status, so you can declare your opinions on the world, without much challenge or work to it. This isn't better than Hawke either. It might make the player feel powerful, but it makes the world stupid in the process.

 

I've really come to appreciate what I refer to as the "lover, life or integrity -- choose two" ending of DAO (for females romancing Alistair) after playing DA2 and ME3. Something must be sacrificed, but the player gets to choose which thing it will be, and there really is no perfect answer.